Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings

[clem_c_rock]

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm

http://www.haifire.com/presentations/Historical_Collapse_Survey.pdf

[TreasonousBastard]

1. Yeah, well...

don't put the tinfoil hat on eBay just yet.

Been reading some stuff from real engineers and physicists who would like to believe something fishy was happening, but there's just nothing there if you really understand the math.

Even that PDF didn't help the case much. More questions than answers.

The WTC had two distinguishing characteristics:

The loadbearing was primarily on the center columns, and not spread between the outer walls and inner columns like most highrises do.

Because it was the Port Authority that built it, it was exempt from normal fire-resistive construction codes and the even more strict NYC codes.

Oh, and it was also exempt from earthquake codes, and some physicists have calculated the probable shocks from the planes hitting and then the buildings collapsing. One asked for the seismic records of the day, but I haven't heard anything since.

That, and that no highrise had ever been hit by a huge airplane at high speed and carrying thousands of gallons of fuel before, leads most of the experts I've heard to say "Holy Shit! So that's what happens when you fly an airplane into a building built that way."

[applegrove]

2. Exactly. The load bearing was in the centre and then in the outside walls

where the steel was. Nothing in the middle. That is why when the plan it many floor down the building, the weight of the floors on top collapsed the whole thing like pancakes. IS why the second building hit was the first to collapse (because the plane hit way low so the weight of more floors was on top of the floors that had the jet fuel on them).

Please. Please. For the sake of the families if not your own health, move on. Focus on the future. And yes - Bush is negligent and stupid and his creepy friends benefited from this terrorist attack. And yes - American hegemony has benefited from encouraging terrorists for decades. Yes, yes, yes they are evil and bad. But the neocons didn't do 9/11. The horror is right in front of you. The monsters now got re-elected which means that half your country drinks Kool-Aid. That is awful. To fight for them you have a long slog ahead of you. Long and painful. And Bush & his pals will take swipes at all the things you value most. And they will attack your party for people who cannot get past 'possible theories'. Yes there are evil sociopaths in the White House. So get with reality and take this poster's advice and move on. The fight is hard and long (the real one). The building fell because the terrorists used civil engineers to help them come up with a plan and they knew the structure & the weakness of that building. The only one like it in the world designed in such a way. That is why they hit it twice in a decade. It was weak.


So thank you for your post and I hope some on this board listen to you and the point you make about the building being weak and easy to fell.

And please - think about the families of the victims on that day. It is not fair to so easily burry them and not the 'theories'. Think of the families. They lost their loved ones to terrorists - nothing else.