I'm a white male discrimination victim

[leftofthedial]

like all Americans who are not wealthy, I suffer on a continuing and now escalating basis from serious and systematic economic discrimination.

I do not receive the same medical care as the wealthy.

I pay a disporportionately higher percentage of my income in taxes and fees for governmental services.

The tax code discriminates against me because I am ineligible for most tax breaks.

My class dies disporportionately in wars that benefit mainly the wealthy.

We are in a class war. All the other "issues" are just so much hand waving to distract us from the most radical concentration of wealth since feudalism.

[Cary]

1. Don't you know it's your own damn fault! [sarcasm on]

Stop whining, you liberal scum. You are not allowed to complain unless you are a puke.

[mermaid]

2. you Haven't A Clue What Discrimination Is!!!

try being a white, male-to-female transsexual, like me. Maybe then you will know what TRUE discrimination feels like!

[Warpy]

3. OUCH

However, he does have a point. You and I share in the class he's talking about, although as women we bear an additional burden, and as a transgendered woman, you bear one I don't have.

This is a class war, though, and nitpicking who has the greater burden in it is counterproductive. This is a class war against us all.

[Modem Butterfly]

6. Did it hurt when they cut your wages?

You know, the stanard 30% less that women make?

:P

[mermaid]

8. That's Bullspit.

Women tend to make less, because they tend to choose careers that pay less money. I have been in female-dominated fields my entire working career...mostly clerical/data entry. You see very few men in this field...it is mostly women.

Clerical/data entry is very much what we could call a "slotted position." there isn't much room for negotiation in salaries in "slotted positions." More or less, the emplyer says...this is what the job pays...and then you accept it or you don't....and it really is that simple.

Women who choose less traditionally female jobs often earn as much, and sometimes even more, than their male counterparts...if they are good at salary negotiations.

The fact is that more men than women wind up in jobs that are open to salary negotiations, and so they tend to make more money than women do.

No one cut my wages when I became a woman...but they sure as hell DID cut my wages when my company was bought out!! They cut everyone's wages...after lying to us for nine months that they would not. So, after four months working for the new company, I walked.

And haven't had a decent job since. It's been 10 months now.

[Modem Butterfly]

10. Hey, take it easy!

You're about a nine on the tension meter there.

[lukasahero]

13. And we do such a great job teaching our young women how to negotiate

Except of course, we don't.

You have a point, but it's not that women don't "end up" in salary negotiable jobs, it's that the whole process of negotiation is not taught and is quite contradictory to what IS taught to women (be nice, don't argue). Women have a lot to learn in this arena, but it sure would be nice if someone out there was interested in teaching them.

[mermaid]

16. Thank You For Making My Point Better Than I Did

The "that's bullspit" rmark was some of the left over male that still does exist in me. you can't live for 31 years having it pounded into your head over and over what you are "supposed" to be, and not have some of it stick!

So, I do have a tendency to get somewhat argumentative, coarse, and even abrasive.

My point being...women are not taught to negotiate, they are not taught to fight for themselves and for what is in their won interests...no women are taught to put their self-interest behind everyone else's! It's true!

And I dare you to call bullspit on that. Because it is true. Most women DO put aside their own interests ahead of the inteserests of others. And it is because they are taught from an early age to do this.

That is one possible "advantage" I have over genetic women...I wasn't taught to set aside my own self-interest. But I suck at slary negotiations, anyway. I'm afraid of asking for too much and then pricing myself out of a job.

[lukasahero]

17. Exactly right

on all points (including the one about not easily being able to put aside what is driven into someone for 30+ years - in either gender).

I won't argue with you that that women are taught to put aside their own interests from an early age. I will argue that it's about darn time we put a stop to such teachings.

The only reason I chimed in is because, as a woman, I was finally taught to negotiate but it was only because my company put me in an "outplacement services" program (after they laid most of us off) that was filled primarily with high salary men (I was the only woman in a group of 15). The fact that I was able to learn wasn't because it was a program to teach women the art of negotiation but because it was a program to teach high salary employees (mostly men) the art. In other words, luck.

Good news - I tried it, it worked. I do believe the system is tilted unfairly to play to men's strengths but knowing what I know now, I am on a tear to teach women that they can do this or at least make them aware of how the game is played.

[Warpy]

19. that's horseshit

Bank tellers in the 20s were paid astonishingly good wages. When women started to take those jobs, the wages plummeted.

Women are paid less because they are women.

There is no reason "women's" jobs like teaching and nursing should pay less than wandering behind a paver and tamping down the high spots in asphalt. There is no earthy reason day care workers should be paid less than it takes to live on, while truck drivers are paid more.

There is no reason while childrearing, the real work of the human race should be slave labor, completely unpaid and treated like a self indulgent hobby, with no support from state or business.

Work should be rewarded because of its benefit to us all and commensurate with things like skill, training, and inherent danger.

As it stands, the work that is best rewarded is that which generates paper profit for the already rich. The work that is rewarded least is that which benefits people, and that means women's work.

Think about it.

[mermaid]

23. You Are, As They Say, "Dead-On-Balls Accurate!"

The work that is rewarded the most is that which generates paper profit for the already rich. And the work rewarded least is that which benefits people, and not corporations DIRECTLY.

Though it could be argued a good solid upbringing and education will pay benefits to the life-sucking corporations in the end...it cannot be MEASURED, GUARDED, or HOARDED...and so we assign it no value.

Pathetic.

[leftofthedial]

12. best of luck.

my point is that the true standard of discrimination in Murka is economic

If you are rich enough, you are priveleged.

If you are not, you are discriminated against as a class.

within the underclass, sadly, we discriminate agianst one another for all sorts of indefensible reasons.

[GiovanniC]

24. Hey, I Know! Let's Play "Who Is More Discriminated Against?"

It's a fun game!

"I have a white low-income male in front! Do I hear a white low-income female? Yes, I have a white low-income female over there in the red shirt. Do I have a white low-income male-to-female transgender... okay, yes... Do I hear a black-and-hispanic mix low-income physically-handicapped male-to-female pre-op transgender from Mexico? Going once... going twice..."

[Tyler Durden]

4. The Class War is the most EVIL of all wars.

Every time I hear someone quote the bible saying "The poor will always be with us..." I get an almost uncontrollable urge to throw every single point of my inflated IQ at them in a refuting argument; LOUD, NASTY AND DEMEANING.

Class is the root of all evil: us Socialist have know this for almost 150 years.

[Blue Wally]

5. Yes!!!!!!!

All stockholders to the guillotine. Let the nomenklatura guiide our classless society.

[Tyler Durden]

7. Don't get me started!

I pissed off everyone at work by putting "The Internationale" on "repeat play" for about an hour (the mp3 is right on my desktop, which is very weird since I write Automotive Quality Systems. eeewww.)

[UdoKier]

11. Do people at your work even know what "The Internationale" is?

Isn't that pretty much an in-thing for red diaper babies?

[Tyler Durden]

14. Actually, Dad was a "Rockefeller Republican."

Mom is a 78 year old Liberal, but I'm the first Socialist in the family (that I know of).

Some of those Canucks from the 1870's on mighta been though.

[UdoKier]

9. Ummm....

How is it that the any of those things have anything to do with discrimination because you are white and male.

If anything, you're being discriminated against because of your income, or your marital status, not your race.


I agree that we are in a class war, and the bottom 70% of us are losing it. But your implication that white males are being specifically targeted is specious.


And probably flamebait.

[leftofthedial]

15. I didn't say "because"

My point is that the class war is the basis for the most egregious and pernicious discrimination in our society.

But it gets virtually no attention. When the subject is raised, the "mainstream" dismisses it immediately.

[sendero]

18. You are 100% correct..

...and if Americans don't figure it out soon the war will be lost forever.

[Javaman]

20. Not clear as to what your beef is...

-I do not receive the same medical care as the wealthy.

There are rich white males. Are you just pissed that you aren't one of them?

-I pay a disporportionately higher percentage of my income in taxes and fees for governmental services.

Sounds like a tax bracket issue. Join the club. If you are black or white if you make x amount of money, you pay x amount.

-The tax code discriminates against me because I am ineligible for most tax breaks.

refer to the above answer

-My class dies disporportionately in wars that benefit mainly the wealthy.

and this is something new? also last time I checked, whites were still the majority in this country so therefor will have the highest porportion of people in the military, generally speaking.

So what are you angry about? Being a white male that has a disporportionally better advantage at going to college and earning better pay than women or minority's? or Are you pissed that because the whites are the majority you have to pay taxes?

In your next life be born a poor black women and just feel the love society the gov't has to offer you.

I'm a white male in a low income bracket and think you are just one heck of a whiner. Get over it. Try helping people instead of complaining.

[leftofthedial]

25. I dispute a view (commonly held here)

that because I am white and male that I therefore am disqualified from any claim of discrimination.

I am white.

I am male.

I am discriminated against economically by a system that values capital and property above all.

[Javaman]

27. When the majority rules, the majority get squeezed.

[pelagius]

21. While we fight about who is the most oppressed...

...the opposition is picking everyone's pocket equally. Time to drop identity politics as a primary organizing principle and make sure health care, for example, is regarded as a necessity for every American.

[leftofthedial]

26. exactly.

class warfare is the source of true discrimination in Murka

[Pithlet]

22. Racism exists.

Class warfare is a huge issue. It is not discounted whenever the issue of racism comes up. It isn't racism vs. classism in the great war over which problem is worse.

[angee_is_mad]

28. Yes it does

unfortunately it isn't a topic that is welcome for discussion by some. Which is a crime in itself.

I guess from now on any race issues need to be segrated to the Civil Rights forum, because we need to be sensitive to white males on here who has been discriminated against.