Will the "White males being descriminated blah blah..." threads never end?

[Tyler Durden]

I just read and responded to "white males need not apply," but as this is getting real boring, I felt we needed to discuss this in a more direct vein. To save you wandering over to the "Flame Fest," it's about a Canadian Government notice that AT THIS TIME they are only accepting Corrections Department applications from Aboriginals and Non-Whites only. The gist of certain posts there is that this is "Reverse discrimination," and that if you are a TRUE Progressive, you must fight to the death for the "level playing field."

To be perfectly honest, threads like that make me glad I'm 52 years old so I won't have to listen to tripe from fellow White Males whining about their priveliges being shorted for more than another 30 years or so.

Pop quiz for my fellow white males:

Which race is vastly over represented in the Government, Police, everywhere in fact EXCEPT in the MILITARY, and then over represented in the Navy and Air Force (this extends to Canada as well)?

Right. You guessed it.

And which race is vastly over represented in the highest halls of learning (largely due to shitty schools and schooling where non-whites predominate)?

Right again.

And which race is vastly over represented at the highest levels of Corporate office? (This one could include Women, too, but we won't go there at the
moment)?

Right. Gee this is getting redundant, so...

I rest my case.

This is NOT going to be solved in our lifetimes, but the "WHITEOUS" INDIGNATION would be more plausable (and easier to stomache) if it were accompanied 100% of the time with a DEMAND for better education, health care, housing and JOBS for POOR, NON-WHITE MINORITIES. Until you are ready to work toward THAT side of your "equal access" argument, then, please don't take this personally, but your argument is full of shit.

[ChairOne]

1. Last one got locked as flamebait....

I woulda let it go, but then mebbe there's a reason I'm not a mod.... lol

[Misunderestimator]

2. "WHITEOUS INDIGNATION"

Perfect! :thumbsup:

[mattclearing]

12. Yeah, this is a great phrase. I will remember it.

Perhaps an entry in the Urban Dictionary is warranted.

[fishwax]

24. lol. that is funny.

Great phrase.

[Tyler Durden]

25. I'm kind of getting real proud of that little thingy.

Don't you just LOVE it when a goody pops into the aging grey matter?

[fishwax]

26. you'll go down in history ;)

after all, in today's discourse it's the catchphrases that set the tone of the debate. Congrats to your grey matter, cuz you summed it up perfectly :)

[Tyler Durden]

27. sure it doesn't sound too "Elmer Fudd?"

"Be vewwy vewwy quiet, I've got WHITEOUS INDINATION!"

[lastknowngood]

3. That would be discrimination

<sarcasm> from a white guy.

[Jamastiene]

4. Why aren't there more people

like you where I live? I love that whiteous indignation part too. Bravo!

[Tyler Durden]

5. This is NOT flame bait:

Just a rant from a white guy tired of looking like a schmuck because of OTHER white guys.

You know what the Whiteous Indignation guys sound like? Rich people complaining about taxes.

[Jamastiene]

16. And it takes a real man

to stand up and say something about them. You are right on this topic. I have wished for the ones like you to say something for a long time. I hope you keep it up. If enough of you say something, you can marginilize the ones who gripe all the time and we can have a country that really does stand up for true equality.

[Vladimir]

6. Evidently not

:P

[mark414]

7. your input is desired

here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=258x1337

love the "whiteous indignation" by the way...hahaha

[Tyler Durden]

8. I just thought it up.

Feel free to use it wherever it applies: I certainly intend to.

[clem_c_rock]

9. Thanks - and that thread "My son was called a cracker"

Got a 10 million replys. I keep trying to post things about the Decimation of Falluja, or about last week's stock market warnings and they get about 2 responses.

Come on DU.

[WLKjr]

11. That was an emotional reactionary rant that probably should have been

left alone. I have been called it, don't care about it. I let it go in one ear and out the other, but some people can't.

[Solomon]

10. Thank you Tyler. As you can see, we got a long ways to go.

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. After spending more than 40 years trying to fit in with white Americans,

I've finally reached some conclusions that help me find peace with my perspective on AA and other social necessities. First, It's taken me all this time to realize that I will never fit in with them ("them" being right-wing intolerant white Americans), nor do I want to. The cost is too high to make them feel comfortable. I'd have to eviscerate at least 50% of who I am and learn to talk the same hate talk they do in order to bond, and if that's what it takes to be considered "American;" well, then there's a major disconnect somewhere, because that isn't what helped me identify as an American when I was growing up.

The answer is very simple. Whites who cannot see the reason for social programs like AA, don't really understand that even if they can't see the strings behind the curtains, we can. We know about the country club connections, we know about the good ole boy networks. We know the laws are stacked against us in just about every other way, except programs such as AA. I'll even go so far as to say that some day, when we reach true equality, even minorities will have those networks, which will mean we've reached the point where we need to reappraise our situation.

But until then, I can't help looking at the children who are "turning redneck" and realize that this is the third generation of racism I've seen, and nothing is changing because they don't have the background to understand. These kids come to visit my children and some are evolving right in front of my eyes. I have an adult friend who has dated two right-wing nuts back to back, and her children are being influenced by them. I saw them grow up and I try to make light of it when a child I've always referred to as my blonde child, suddenly spurts out comments which I know never originated in the beautiful soul I once knew. She said yesterday that in football and other sports, if there's a white guy and a black guy competing for a position, the black guy always gets picked; She smiled proudly when she said that there were no black drivers in NASCAR; she smiled proudly when I told her that FoxNews is conservative and spews out the President's agenda.

I know where it's coming from. Her mother is dating an ex-marine, who I can otherwise respect because I think he has a kind heart, except that he talks like a marine who hates blacks and other minority people. He is a right-wing nutcase, and the only reason we can get along is because he still has the desire to get along and stops when he realizes he's gone too far. What is going to happen when he decides that he is has no desire to censor himself? I certainly am not going to stick around and listen to him, because if I did, I would have to mention the other reasons they ignore when considering why they do not succeed in this society. I would have to point out the lousy study habits of their kids; I would have to point out the drug records and other juvenile delinquent activity. Some of the most mediocre white students, are also the ones that complain the most.

So, the bottomline is this: These kinds of whites do not have the objectivity necessary to create a safe environment for people in the public sector. They are argumentative, they are confrontational, and I believe that is their end, not just the means. If you concede to them now, it won't take long before they move to the next step of trying to convince everyone that minorities are inferior on a genetic basis. They want to continue taking short-cuts, which we never had. Like knowing they could land a hometown factory job even though they only earned a high school diploma. Those of us who do get in on social programs, have had to be the top in the class and the standards are getting tougher.

What I would like to see is a third culture develop in America. One that recognizes the realities we now face and which simply wants to get through this stage in our American evolution without tearing each other apart. I have seen whites succeed and get through all the adversity and I admire them beyond words. One is very close and dear to me and I have suffered along with him when he was discriminated against due to Affirmative Action, but he only worked harder and stayed focused and he is surviving. He doesn't waste time on the hate talk that his relatives do, and he has my utmost respect because of his attitude.

[alwynsw]

14. Actually, Tyler

I believe the thread you're referring to was titled " No whites need apply". http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3190876

I ran across it in a news search for corrections, found it both interesting and somewhat disturbing, then posted a link and a snip without comment of any sort.

Your post is misleading in some areas that need correction, if indeed you are referring to the above mentioned thread. I'll address your heading first:

The article linked refers only to an Ontario job seeker. The gender of the seeker is not mentioned in any part of the article. Your title, including White males is a bit disingenuous. (One might argue that by adding to your header, when no gender reference was made in either the thread or the linked article, that there is some deep psychological reason that you feel that parole officer is a job best filled by males. I don't think that is the case, but the argument can be made. )

Your implication that I posted it purely as flamebait is incorrect. Were that the case, I most certainly would have posted an opinion following the snip and the link designed to stir controversy. The article itslef is controversial enough without any assistance from me.

My purpose in posting it was to stir and read the debate - no more, no less. It certainly did that. Unfortunately, it also drew out the boorish "Me, too" and "You, too" lines concerning backlash and what is commonly referred to a "Old (white) boys clubs" in hiring.

I'm sorry you feel that this topic is not worth discussing. It desperately needs to be discussed and kept in the forefront until discrimination is historical fact instead of current affairs.

As with any charged topic, opinions will often be heated, not only on disparate poles, but in the gray areas as well.

A bit about me: (Surely you're curious.) I'm your average member of a multi-racial family who has argued, protested, and fought for nearly as long as I can remember for both racial and gender equality. Also, I'm in spitting distance of your age, The AARP enrollment stuff has begun arriving in my mailbox.

[Tyler Durden]

15. You started out talking about Ontario, but you got "Threadjacked."

I did notice you were largely just the thread poster, but you have to admit, it was a little like dropping the F-Bomb in a Sunday School: you were bound to draw flames.

Let me tell you a little story:

I was standing in Canadian Customs moving in about $30 thou in USD for deposit and starting my house in Ontario. I was filling out the forms they use to track cash (not being a drug dealer OR a Canadian (yet) I really didn't mind, and besides they were falling all over themselves being polite, shock shock shock).

In walks a REALLY PISSED OFF White Male who was driving a HUGE SUV full of teenage hockey players. He's royally pissed off.

"They tell me I can't bring back my 'V.O.' What's up here, eh???" He proceeds to rant at the officer, her superior, and the government because they are going to charge him a duty on his booze. He didn't agree with the regs and bought it Duty Free anyway, figuring (after this comment) that even in Canada, Money and White make RIGHT:

(Shouted on his way out): "SO I GUESS IF I WAS AN INDIAN OR AN ESKIMO, I WOULDN'T PAY A DIME, RIGHT?????"

He didn't stop to hear that EVERYONE who violates Duty Free import pays tax.

My point is, even in a fairly diverse and egalitarian country like Canada, there is a level of "WHITEOUS INDIGNATION" that takes little or no provocation to come to the surface.

My point in your thread was: if you want Afirmative Action to go away, then if you don't make the playing field even in Preschool, not Med School, then you're pissing in the wind: liable to get unpleasantly wet.

I'm also the Dad in a Multi Ethnic family: two of my children are Hispanic and one is Asian, so I can relate to a degree.

[Karenina]

19. Ah, THERE you are.

So you think you gotta get a bunch of white males all in a tizzy no comment and all... About "them" being taken off the docket. WHATEVER...

[alwynsw]

28. You're way off base.

More's the pity.

[kwassa]

21. I think posting such an extreme example is disingenuous

It does constitute dropping a bomb, and is most certainly flamebait. Using such an extreme example will only be extreme responses.

you said:
"I'm sorry you feel that this topic is not worth discussing. It desperately needs to be discussed and kept in the forefront until discrimination is historical fact instead of current affairs."

If you wish to discuss discrimination, this is the wrong way to go about it. You might try by stating your own personal opinion rather than going for an extreme example. Doing this makes your motives suspect.

Also, discrimination gets discussed frequently, quite frankly, and the need is not as desperate as you might think. If you have new light to shed, please do.

Discrimination will stop when people really grapple with the issues, and change their behaviors, not by posting anomalies.

[alwynsw]

29. Here's a start for you.

If you wish to discuss discrimination, this is the wrong way to go about it. You might try by stating your own personal opinion rather than going for an extreme example. Doing this makes your motives suspect.

Let's start with employee guidelines for the company I founded and wrote the policy handbook for, short version of pertinent issues:

No discrimination because of race, gender, ethnicity, religious beliefs, sexual orientation...

Full medical, dental, optometric, and life insurance for spouses and domestic partners...

There's far more, but you get the idea - I hope.

How's that for a start? It cost me a ton of money for the "extra" benefits, but then, human rights are worth far more than money.

Also, discrimination gets discussed frequently, quite frankly, and the need is not as desperate as you might think. If you have new light to shed, please do.

Discussion leads to action. Action brings results. We're not there yet, therefore continued, intense discussion is both necessary nad warranted.

Discrimination will stop when people really grapple with the issues, and change their behaviors, not by posting anomalies.

Anomalies? Discrimination in any form is hateful. Does a white thumb hurt any more or less than a thumb of color when struck with a hammer?

It does constitute dropping a bomb, and is most certainly flamebait. Using such an extreme example will only be extreme responses.

Disengenuous? Please explain how. I simply posted a news story and link without comment to start discussion. Another poster called it pretty well when he mentioned the hijack by malcontents.

If you wish to discuss discrimination, this is the wrong way to go about it. You might try by stating your own personal opinion rather than going for an extreme example. Doing this makes your motives suspect.

It must be a wonderful thing to be able to discern the motives of others without the benefit of input from the person you're judging.

[kwassa]

30. as you said:

"It must be a wonderful thing to be able to discern the motives of others without the benefit of input from the person you're judging."

which is why, of course, I asked you for your input.

What exactly did you want to discuss?

[alwynsw]

33. How circular can we get?

As the cabinetmaker said after varnishing the doors, "I'm done finished (with this thread)". It's obvious that a few are looking for solutions, while many are simply looking to beat their chests and argue.

Ta Ta.

[kwassa]

35. Goodbye

I never thought you were sincere in the first place.

[WoodrowFan]

17. because we are

I mean, I can't walk down the street without somebody commenting on my chino pants and polo shirt. When I go to the store and buy white bread and mayo for the week I have to endure the cruel taunts in Spanish from the clerks. I can't blast my Lawrence Welk live CD without someone calling the cops. (sniff) and let's not even discuss the cruel jibes I have to endure when I take the dance floor. Can I help it if I can't dance or jump!! (sniffle). No, I tell you NO! From now on I say NO MORE! No more comments about bland food, bland music and bland clothes!! I LIKE BLAND!! I want to be judged on the contents of my character, not the size of my golf cart! BE PROUD WHITE GUYS! WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR LAWN MOWERS AND TEE TIME!

</sarcasm>

[UdoKier]

18. There is a serious disconnect on this issue.

As I see it, there are two problems. First, a lot of white males who have been absolutely screwed over by globalization and the hollowing-out of the middle class are blaming discrimination for their plight, when they should be blaming the plutocracy and its economic policies.

Second problem is "liberals" who insist that merely being white is an automatic ticket to wealth, and that any white person who isn't making it is just a lazy, stupid bum.


Until both sides open their minds to see that a HUGE proportion of people in poverty in America are white males, that they need a hand up (as opposed to a handout), as do ALL people in poverty, and that it's NOT due to "reverse discrimination", our party is in a world of hurt.

So people - stop the unfair white-bashing, and stop the nonsensical "reverse discrimination" whining!

[Tyler Durden]

20. "...merely being white is an automatic ticket to weath..."????

Boy did I miss meeting. Tee hee.

Seriously, Nobody I know bashes whites unless one ASKS for it, and "Whiteous Indignation" is about as big an invite to be thought of as a yahoo as I can come up with.

[ProfessorGAC]

22. Quit Pickin' On Us White Guys!

Good post, TD. It is indeed a little stupid for a progressive website to see people with these complaints.

The Professor

[Touchdown]

23. As a whit guy myself, I've never seen any evidence...

...of this supposed "reverse discrimination". It all seems like an old wives tale to me, like the "Liberal Media" rant repeated over 30 years.

Yeah, I hear the anecdotes all the time..." A coworker told me that a friend's friend's boyfriend of another co-worker's common law wife, whos 1/8th cousin twice removed, once applied for a painting job and they gave it to a less qualified black guy instead! How can you SAY that reverse discrimination doesn't exist????"

Where's the lawsuit? How does he know he was more qualified that the African American? What was the judgement from said lawsuit? It's all a matter of public record, all we need to do is find it. But....where, oh where is all this "EVIDENCE" that white makes are being discriminated against, without all these thousands of court decisions proving that? All I do know is that quotas are illegal, and always have been.

:eyes:

[Rex]

31. Who is the mad party?

I've missed the Poor White Me threads. Bummer... :-( I didn't get to say 'woa is me'! Boooooooooo!

[jdots]

32. Us frat boy date rapers gotta walk tall

we are after all the master race decended from inbread royalty.
All you mutts and mud people should bow down to us ." Honey whats fer dinner and get me another Bud Lite "

[Swamp Rat]

34. Right on!

"Whiteous Indignation" - I will adopt phrase this and spread it EVERYWHERE!:evilgrin:

:yourock:

[mark414]

36. kick for whiteous indignation!

grr i'm so angry!