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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:52 PM
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Gerald Posner
is on the Mike Malloy radio program right now discussing his book.

http://www.ieamericaradio.com/
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:54 PM
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1. i have so many questions...
has anyone read his book?

did he explain why he thinks america slept?

does he think it just happened? part of the culture? no conspiracy?

peace
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:55 PM
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2. questions...
John O’niel told to back off the saudis

FBI Agents blocked from the top to investigate pilot trainees (first time ever denied terror warrant)

SOP – why didn’t they protect the pentagon

No Heads Rolled

WT7

No one charged

Wtc evidence melted and sold

Collapse in foot print

Bin laden familly flew

Bin laden bush connections

Patriot act

Why did bush sit there for so long?

did anybody read the book yet?

peace
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:57 PM
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3. "Case Closed" Posner?
They guy who thinks Oswald was all alone? No thanks.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:04 PM
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5. posner is a POS
I saved a letter that he wrote to the WSJ. (Note, mods, this is not copyrighted.) I don't have a link.

WSJ.com
September 25, 2001

I Was Wrong About Bush By Gerald Posner

What a difference 10 months makes. Last November I broke the unwritten rule that requires journalists to be neutral political observers when I got embroiled in the controversy over the presidential election and publicly supported Al Gore. It was not just with friends that I passionately argued the election had been stolen and that Mr. Gore would be the better president. I was one of the signatories to the pompously titled "Emergency Committee of Concerned Citizens 2000," which took full-page ads in the New York Times demanding a revote in Palm Beach county. I wrote op-eds for Salon.com and the New York Daily News. On television talk shows from MSNBC to Fox News's popular "The O'Reilly Factor," I made the case for Mr. Gore.

In thousands of e-mails, I urged voters to deluge Clay Roberts, director of Florida's Division of Elections, with appeals for a recount. Of course, I did not know whether the election had gone for Mr. Gore or George W. Bush. As a partisan, I did not care. I was convinced that Mr. Gore was by far the best-qualified candidate and the man most fit to lead the U.S. Mr. Bush was not only untested nationally, but he seemed to me bereft of the character or intellect to become a real leader, and I feared that four years, and possibly eight, under Mr. Bush would set the country back.

How wrong I was. Since the murderous terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush has come alive in a way I did not think possible. It was as though the attack on America -- which he rightly called an "act of war" from the start -- gave him a focus and clarity I had not earlier seen.

If there was a single event that convinced me my initial feelings were wrong, it was the president's rather remarkable speech to the country and a joint session of Congress last Thursday. Like Franklin Roosevelt or Winston Churchill, he rallied a country's spirit, had the courage to tell us the bad news that the upcoming battle would be neither swift nor easy, and declared that those who would destroy our culture and values would not prevail. I had always found Mr. Bush stiff in his scripted speeches. But last Thursday he was infused with passion and outrage. His sincerity was heartfelt, and boosted almost all who listened to him. And precisely because we all know he is not a masterful orator, the power of his words and the forcefulness of his delivery carried even more impact. He rose to this most important occasion.

Sometimes historians wonder whether great leaders are made by the crises they confront, or whether they would be great leaders even in untroubled times. More often than not, real leadership flourishes when faced with imminent threats and dangers. That is what America faces at the start of the 21st century from a radical perversion of Islam. And President Bush showed all of us who doubted him, and voted against him, that he is indeed a leader. There will be numerous tests for him in the long battle ahead. But, as of now, he has converted many of us to admirers, and he deserves our complete support.

The entire administration, from Colin Powell to Donald Rumsfeld to Dick Cheney, inspires more confidence as we embark on this uncertain war than we likely would have had in any Gore administration. I must sadly admit that Bill Clinton, for whom I voted twice, could not have delivered that same clear speech last Thursday. His almost compulsive need to please all sides would have prevented him from casting the issues as starkly or as unequivocally. My late father used to tell me that one of the hallmarks of good character is the courage to admit mistakes. Most people who lock themselves into a public position want to keep defending their original stance, even when in their heart they know subsequent events have proven them incorrect. Well, I was vocal last year in stating my firm belief that the wrong man was elected president. Now I am compelled to admit I was mistaken. The best man for this incredibly hard campaign is now president. I suspect many of my fellow Democrats feel exactly the same way.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:11 PM
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8. I never could see why people felt like that
Just because Bush got up there with a bull horn and put on his best "Ollie North" serious face, didn't mean that he was able to grow into the presidency. Especially now that we know how * used 9/11 to the neocon advantage.

I haven't read Posner's book but saw him interviewed once. He seems to act like the gov't isn't happy with him. Could he be worming his way back to the left, or am I hearing wrong?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:18 PM
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11. You're wrong...Posner will always be a shill for the rightwing....
...he likes to claim that he's doing things that are unpopular with the government, but he's paid by the rightwing to do what he does.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:20 PM
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12. Thanks
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:16 PM
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10. Astroturf extarordinaire there. Thanks Gerry you creep
So Gerry baby was part of the whisper campaign to denigrate Gore and pretend that Democrats were secretly sighing collective relief that Al wasn't in the White House on 9/11.

Well read your own incriminations Gerry: Since the ...attacks ... President Bush has come alive in a way I did not think possible (and)gave him a focus and clarity I had not earlier seen.

Yeah Gerald, it's called: YOUR MAN WAS ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH!!! TERRORISM WAS NOWHERE ON HIS RADAR!!! THE MAN WAS BRAIN DEAD!!! OUT TO LUNCH- DREAMING OF SNORTING LINES INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT THE NATION"S SECURITY!!!
YOU ARE A WORTHLESS POS!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:05 PM
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6. zactly
i just learned he wrote that book today

i saw him on the networks last weekend pimping for a war with the sauidis...

he leaves out too many of the juicy bits DELIBERATELY and that is what made me suspicious at first.



peace
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 10:32 AM
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14. actually it is an excellent book
and don't knock it until you have read it. he demolishes conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 10:41 AM
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16. I've Read It. It Fails the Logic Test
Yes, he debunks some of the more outlandish (beyond Oliver Stone type) conspiracies in it. But, the conclusions he draws at the end are just as disconnected from the facts which are inconvenient as the Warren Report.

It's not an excellent book. It's just a readable book.

Hey, Jerry. Case NOT closed.
The Professor
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 10:45 AM
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17. Actually it's shoddy work
and has been debunked soundly by serious researchers.

He also wrote a book called, I think, "Killing the Dream," which argued James Earl Ray was the lone gunman. Not so, and not according to the judgement in the MLK wrongful death conspiracy suit. (The decision should have been huge news. Ask, why wasn't it?
http://www.courttv.com/archive/trials/mlk-civil/120899_verdict_ctv.html).

Posner, I'm convinced, is working on Company time.




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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:02 PM
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4. I just saw this asshole interviewed a few days ago
at the end he said he had been a Clinton supporter but was so disappointed in Clinton. Said all Clinton was interested in was polls so that when the Cole was attacked he first called his pollster and wanted him to do an overnight poll to find out how people wanted him to react, etc. That was only one of the things he trashed about Clinton. In other words (why is kissing up to Malloy), his CNN or MSNBC appearance basically said it was all Clinton's fault.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:05 PM
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7. aptly name, ain't he?
POS-ner.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:15 PM
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9. Posner is a shill for the rightwing...
...everything this guy writes and/or says is in defense of former or current rightwing actions. Funny how so many of the members of the Warren Commision like Ford and Arlen Specter went on to bigger things, and those that began to publicly doubt ended up dead.

Posner's first book, "Case Closed", flies in the face of innumerable facts unearthed on the JFK assassination by the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Harold Weisberg, the late and highly-respected expert on the JFK killing, ripped Posner's book to shreds in his book entitled "Case Open".

I had the immense good fortune to talk to Mr. Weisberg by phone several years ago to discuss Posner's book. Harold stated that other than Posner's book itself which he considered to be one continuous lie from cover to cover, the thing that really upset him was the fact that he had allowed Posner free reign of his filing cabinets in the basement of his home, and Posner barely opened a single file-drawer. He said the truth "is in those drawers. All Posner had to do was look."
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 10:37 AM
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15. kinda funny
because he shows that the 'dead list' is more of a myth than anything. Most of the names cited by the conspiracy authors had little or nothing to do with the case at all, and many of the ones who did die went because of natural causes.

I read Posners Book, and it demolished conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory. I was impressed.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 09:35 AM
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13. Posner is a rightwing hit man
Forget him. He is a highly paid whore for the right.
Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Case Closed? Hardly.
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