Walter Cronkite on Larry King NOW lambasting the Patriot Act./EVERYTHING.

[Gloria]

"freedom to think," "freedom to research" ....Act is opposite our right to free speech...
King wheedling about " peril" Cronkite saying sure, but....have to have good reason, have to have a suspect....Courts closed to proceedings of these trials..

Patriotic--have to really define it.....doesn't have to do with invading other countries...has to do with what's within the country...(founding fathers)...King mentioning how McGovern was brave, was shot down as being "unpatriotic"

[Gloria]

1. Now on Iraq..."we're in deep...deep... in this mess"

"My heart sank ....during President's speech when I realized we'd be there a long, long time"

87B is just a downpayment

Sinking feeling....HERE WE GO AGAIN...4 years of WWII, 5 years in Viet Nam...of all the years we're facing in this conflict....

[Sancho Panza]

2. seems like another lifetime

Or another world, when Uncle Walter's booming cadence delivered the goods on Vietnam and Watergate.

[Gin]

4. he sounds heavy hearted.....history is repeating itself.and he knows it..

* is on cpsn2 talking to the FBI or CIA...low applause..he sounds and looks tired....good...bring it on universe.

[ewagner]

9. god...I remember it well

I can still remember the awful, sinking feeling in my stomach when he said "In this reporters opinion the war is now unwinnable".

[methinks2]

3. Go Walter go

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[grytpype]

5. "When I've lost Walter Cronkite, I've lost America."

[kodi]

7. "It seems now.....that the bloody experience of Vietnam is a stalemate."

"It seems now more certain than ever, that the bloody experience of Vietnam is a stalemate."

walter cronkite, after the tet offensive, 1968

[Jackpine Radical]

15. Jeez--I never heard Walter say that stuff.

We didn't get very good TVF reception in my foxhole.

[Gloria]

6. Against going into Iraq, against unilateralism, against bypassing the

UN...lambasts the speech Bush made...."we're going in anyway" at end of speech laying out "the case"

We're inspiring (hatred?) greated than it existed before among the Arab states....

What's the end game, asks Larry?

We're going to have to go with the UN, we're having to eat crow, now that we're in the hole, it's going to cost more, more people.

King--Misled??

Cronkite--yes, we were misled...whether it was deliberate or their vocabulary got ahead of their thinking

King-wanted to go to war?? Oh, yes definitely....

King-why would they want to go to war? President was convinced Hussein was a "living danger" and had to be eliminated...How....plannng was inadequate...(my note--let Bush off easy on this one).

[Gloria]

8. Media study.....CBS most positive for war, ABC least....

CBS in the 70% range, FAUX, 60% range, then NBC, then ABC...

Doesn't know, doesn't watch them all. Doesn't watch the "opposition" .
Still loyal to CBS....may be true....

[Gloria]

10. No light in ME...in escalating stage again....money allotted by

Bush to Palestinians is totally inadequate...depressing.

[Gloria]

11. Thinks Dean is doing "quite well" --

King --surprised?

Somewhat....came up from out of nowhere, with no record on the national scene....but I think he did quite well. I think all of them did well last night...the field...better than some thought it might be...

...I have a feeling Gen. Clark is going to come in...and I think he make a quite powerful candidate...strong opinions about the war and what we've been doing wrong. Coming from a general that will have a stronger impact than from a civilian.

Bush beatable? I believe now, he is....The war, Dems will be stuck with it, that's why Clark....(unintelligible) also the economy.. trickle down, tax cuts, even if that did show an effect, won't be enough to wipe out the memory of strong unemploymemt...not just the unemployment, the depression.

Gonna be a long campaign, a DIRTY CAMPAIGN. whoever survives the primary season, going to take on the administration in every aspect.

California? "ridiculous mess"--MISUSE OF DEMOCRACY, the recall... is DANGEROUS, it's a dangerous move...if other states adopt it, ELECTIONS MEAN NOTHING.

[sujan]

12. California recall - a misuse of democracy

[Gloria]

13. Personally would like to see the recall fail...to preserve DEMOCRACY

and the way it works...
Not suprised AHNOLD isn't leading...."It's a Democratic state, Bustamante is fairly well liked."

[Gloria]

14. Would do "poorly" if had to break into broadcasting today...

Many years of print experience, firm background in journalism
Young people today are aiming for broadcasting, good performers...