'Gannon' and Fleischer

[Plaid Adder]

I watched the Olbermann segment with the editor of E&P and I got to thinking:

Let's for a moment go to Bizarro-land and assume temporarily that what Fleischer told E&P is actually the truth. Supposedly now that he's not working, he might be able to tell it once in a while.

Here's an interesting sequence of events:

1) "Gannon" shows up in the WH briefing room round about February 2003 and starts asking goofball questions. Fleischer doesn't know how he got in there, and notices that he's listed as working for GOPUSA. Also doesn't know that "Gannon" is a pseudonym. HOwever, knowing his acronyms, he suspects him of being a partisan plant. So he stops calling on him.

2) Fleischer calls Eberle about "Gannon," who says oh no, we're not connected to the party, we just use the GOP acronym so people will THINK we're connected to the party.

3) Fleischer starts calling on "Gannon" again. Eberle starts working on 'launching' Talon "News" in order to make "Gannon" a "journalist."

4) In May of 2003, Fleischer announces his intention to resign. Around about the same time, a lot of other Bush appointees/lackeys announce their resignations:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/plaidder/2003/05/22/

5) McClellan takes over. No questions are ever asked by him about wth this crazy "Gannon" character is or wtf "Talon News" might be, though the questions are more loopily partisan than ever.

Could it be that one of the reasons Fleischer decided to quit was that he couldn't stand what the Bush administration was doing to the WH press pool? If you believe his end of the story, Fleischer pegged "Gannon" as a plant and stopped calling on him. Then he ends up in conversation with Eberle about "Gannon," and his suspicions are confirmed (we're not an OFFICIAL GOP site so it's OK...yeah, sure, Bobby). After that, he starts calling on "Gannon" again. And 3 months later, Fleischer decides to quit.

What if Fleischer was told by the Powers That Be after that conversation with Eberle that he had to play ball and call on "Gannon" whether or not he was a real journalist? What if that was one of the many things that must have made it clear to Fleischer that this whole 'managing the media' thing was no longer going to be a fun game of cat and mouse between himself and his worthy adversaries which he could actually enjoy, but instead a cheerless exercise in pre-scripted propaganda? Say what you want about Fleischer--and I have (http://www.plaidder.com/ari.htm)--he had a kind of zest for the work that you don't see in McClellan. Maybe one of the reasons he walked was that he saw Gannon as a harbinger of things to come that were going to make his job a chore instead of a challenge.

Remember, the period between "Gannon's" initial appearance and Fleischer's decision to resign covers the initial invasion phase of the Iraq war plus the premature "Mission Accomplished" speech. They expected these months to be the basis for the next re-election campaign. Rove must have been pulling sequential all-nighters trying to manage every goddamn thing he could think of about the media representation of this war. Maybe "Gannon's" appearance in the WH briefing room was part of that strategy--and maybe by May, Fleischer was just fed up with it.

This war journal I've been keeping has come in very handy. I posted about the fall of Baghdad on April 9, 2003. According to Salon, "Talon News" was formed in March and launched in "early April." Bush announced the end of "combat operations" sometime shortly before May 7. The flurry of resignations--Fleischer, Jay Garner, Tommy Franks, Christine Todd Whitman--began shortly before May 20.

Obviously "Gannon" didn't actually *cause* all those resignations. But he could very easily be a symptom of something that *could* have caused those resignations: the WH inner circle's response to the unraveling of what was supposed to be their triumph in Iraq. Garner and Franks either were removed or quit between "Mission Accomplished" and "bring it on." My guess is that this was either beacuse the WH would no longer tolerate their dissenting views on what to do about Iraq, or because Garner and Franks realized that the WH 'policy' on the occupation was going to become a disaster very quickly, and they didn't want to be around to take the shit. Similarly, Fleischer's resignation was probably the result either of his refusal to play along with whatever the WH wanted to do with the WH briefing room (which would have led to his being fired) or his conviction that the stupid games Rove was playing with plants like "Gannon" were liable to blow up in someone's face and he didn't want it to be his own.

Who knows? I sure don't. But I hope we eventually get to find out what the real story was.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

[RBHam]

1. That would mean Fleischer had an ounce of credibility left...

Hmm. Go figure...

[BiggJawn]

32. Yeah, that's the glaring fly in this ointment...

You assume that Ari Fly-shit had a shred of conscience.
Wonder how his beard and him are getting along?

[jdj]

2. Ari Fleischer is evil and immoral.

He is also brilliant.

Those qualities put together tell me he left for a private sector opportunity he could not turn down.

Conscience had nothing to do with it.

Or, it could be that Gannon is an ex of his and got pissed when he quit getting questions and tried to blackmail Ari.

[starroute]

3. You've got me intrigued enough to start Googling on the resignations

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/may2003/flei-m27.shtml

27 May 2003

To what extent Fleischer’s decision to leave his post is a symptom of the administration’s political crisis is unclear. The Bush White House is, behind the façade of rigid consensus, a cockpit of palace intrigue and bitterly subjective rivalries. There is, however, little evidence in the public domain of conflict between the press secretary and the Bush inner circle. In the US press commentary on his announcement—predictably banal and, in general, laudatory toward the exiting spokesman—the only hint of friction discovered by this writer was a reference in an Associated Press dispatch to “an uneasy relationship with some senior Bush officials.”

On the other hand, Fleischer’s statement was followed in short order by the resignation announcements of Environmental Protection Agency head Christine Todd Whitman and White House Budget Director Mitchell Daniels. Whitman is a “moderate” by Bush administration standards, whose generally pro-business and regressive views on environmental policy were considered intolerably liberal by the Republican right. She was known to have come into conflict with the prevailing view in Bush circles that the entire edifice of environmental law should be scrapped and all restrictions on the commercial exploitation—and pollution—of the earth, sea and air be lifted.

It is widely reported that Bush’s political advisers have let it be known that any high-level officials not prepared to stay on for the duration of the 2004 election campaign and beyond must sign off now, lest their leaving give the impression, once the reelection campaign has begun in earnest, of internal discord.

[starroute]

6. Oh, this is fun!

http://www.hayllar.com/oldblog/archives/2003_05.php

I'd like to thank pResident Bush

...and Ari Fleischer for welcoming me back from a two-day blogging hiatus with the following quote: regarding Fleischer's resignation as press secretary.

"Fleischer clashed at times with the White House press corps and had an uneasy relationship with some senior Bush aides, but he said the departure was his idea. He notified Bush of his decision Friday. The president ended the conversation "by kissing me on the head," the spokesman said."

[tanyev]

12. I sure wish one of these bald guys would

give Dubya a black eye the next time he starts feeling all over their heads. That is so rude. And the pictures give me the creeps.

[starroute]

18. More on the head-kissing

http://www.aasfe.org/2004contest/division3.pdf

President Bush must have a soft spot for a bald spot. He’s been exhibiting a lot of embrace-the-baldness behavior lately — on three recent occasions, he reached out and bussed a bald belfry.

<snip>

Last month in Dallas, an Associated Press photographer at a political fund-raiser captured Bush grabbing the chrome dome of an unidentified supporter so forcefully you can see indentation marks.

<snip>

And People magazine’s July 28 issue reported the president’s effusive reaction when his then-press secretary, Ari Fleischer, announced he was engaged to be married. “From his boss, Fleischer got a big kiss on his hairless pate.”

That was not the first time Bush couldn’t pass up Fleischer’s non-mop top. News accounts also noted the president had an emotional reaction in May when Fleischer met with him in the Oval Office to announce he was leaving the White House. Bush kissed Fleischer you-know-where then, too.

[leftchick]

41. This needs a psychological analysis...

as just about everything bushit** does. But this one really intrigues me. Perhaps it stems from infancy?

[Ladyhawk]

43. Too bad the SS would arrest them.

If I were a bald man, I might not be able to contain my anger at this indignity, but then again, they wouldn't let me near the shrub. I'm not a loyal fan. :D

[MADem]

26. ...had an uneasy relationship with some senior Bush aides

I think one of them might have been McClellan.

Remember, McClellan CAME WITH BUSH FROM TEXAS. Even though Ari had the most visible spot as press secretary, the deputy, McClellan, had a HISTORY with the former TX governor.

Ari's family is chock full of Democrats. He didn't fit in.

[starroute]

9. Jeff Gannon on Ari's resignation

From GOPUSA, but available only in the Google cache:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:38PG4ZIHDvkJ:www.gopusa.com/news/2003/may/0520_fleischer.shtml+fleischer+resignation+may+2003&hl=en&client=firefox-a

May 20, 2003

Talon News White House Correspondent Jeff Gannon expressed surprise at Ari's announcement. "There was no indication that Ari would be leaving any time soon," Gannon said. "Ari has skillfully handled a sometimes hostile and unruly crowd in the press room."

<snip>

Pentagon spokesman Victoria Clarke and Republican strategist Ed Gillespie have been named as possible replacements. However, many predict the job will go to White House Deputy Press Secretary Scott McClellan.

"Scott McClellan would be an able successor to Ari Fleischer," Gannon added.

The Ari Fan Club, sponsored by Probush.com, has already started an on-line petition to bring Ari back. Fans of Fleischer can mourn over his resignation and buy official Ari gear.

When asked by reporters what he would consider a less stressful job than White House Press Secretary, Fleischer suggested wrestling alligators or disabling live nuclear weapons.

[jdj]

10. notice the casual reference "ari" this, "ari" that.

[starroute]

19. Here's something weird

If you look at this page in the Google cache http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:PfGwmXga74AJ:www.probush.com/farewell_cake.htm+%22jeff+gannon%22+%22ari+fleischer&hl=en&client=firefox-a
there's a picture labeled "Ari's Farewell Cake" that shows an elaborately-frosted cake saying "Good Luck Ari." Underneath the picture, it says "Jeff Gannon/Talon News."

But if you look at the current version of the same page http://www.probush.com/farewell_cake.htm it's identical except that the "Jeff Gannon/Talon News" is missing. The page info shows it was last modified on February 14, 2005.

Are *all* these sites scrubbing every reference to Gannon? Or is somebody trying to hide something -- perhaps the fact that Gannon was at Ari's farewell party?

[InternalDialogue]

20. It was modified overnight

I looked at that page (using that exact URL: http://www.probush.com/farewell_cake.htm) yesterday afternoon, Thursday, Feb. 17, 2005. The file may have been modified on Feb. 14, but the live page was modified only since yesterday.

This shit is happening right now, all over the country's servers. Creepy.

[starroute]

21. I don't think there was anything special about the cake

On further Googling, I found another page from that probush.com site where Gannon's name had been deleted. And that was something completely innocuous, like "If you like this site, you'll also like Jeff Gannon."

I also found a story with a picture showing Ari with Helen Thomas at his farewell party. It looks as though it was just a public event in the briefing room.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1030715/asp/foreign/story_2164980.asp

So, yeah, I think they're all so panicked they're just removing *everything* they can find, trying to turn Gannon into an unperson.

[Mr_Spock]

31. I hope we're saving all the evidence!

You don't act guilty unless you are...

[Carni]

30. It's also cached-HERE IT IS with the Gannon reference in tact

On edit my copied and pasted link doesn't work (no idea what's up with that) but you can get to the unscrubbed photo...

Go to google and enter the URL you were viewing (the whole thing)
into the search area.

When you get a result I believe the top one will be view google's cached image of this site...click that and you should be able to get to the page where it still says "Jeff Gannon/ Talon News" below the cake.

They can scrub all they want but the stuff will still be out there somewhere!

[starroute]

38. There turns out to be a lot more to the ProBush connection!

From the new Wayne Madsen piece on Gannongate:
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/021805Madsen/021805madsen.html

According to Roll Call, Gannon also served as an official of the Free Speech Foundation, an organization that helped defend ProBush.com from a lawsuit by former South Dakota Democratic Senator James Abourezk. The web site features a "Traitor's List" that includes Abourezk. The former senator and Navy veteran sued ProBush.com for defamation. Abourezk asked for $5 million in damages and a public apology after sending a cease and desist letter to the web site owner, a 21-year old suburban Philadelphia resident named Mike Marino, who registered the site using a post office box address in West Point, Pennsylvania. After Abourezk's lawsuit threat, Gannon came to Marino's assistance.

[spanone]

24. You bet. GOPUSA has scrubbed him.

[KoKo]

34. Repugs are pretty tech savy, though. Why scrub now when they know

the info is out their in cache resources? That's what's so odd about this. If we were dealing with folks who are clueless about web site then you could see someone yelling "get a tech to scrub everything off the sites, Dammit." But the Eberle's know all about how to deal with the web they've been working with Freeperville and the Ridenauers (the Repug direct mail shop in VA) for years. They would know that scrubbing the sites wouldn't be of use to the Internet folks tracking them. :shrug:

The attempt at scrubbing is odd. Don't know what it means..

[merh]

40. repugs aren't as tech savvy as you think. Remember their huge

mistake during the election, when they failed to buy all domain names that could be associated with the campaign? What resulted is a satire site mocking the weed receipt of emails from folks involved in the campaign complete with legal opinions, lists of dems to target, etc. They are not as astute as one would think. Hubris often gets in the way of common sense.

[KoKo]

49. Yes....their "hubris" is definitely showing these days...

:D I still wonder how they thought they could get away with the "scrub" though since it was the "internets" folks on their tail...but hubris is probably it.

[Carolab]

4. I don't think Ari quit. I think he was asked to leave. n/t

[jdj]

11. that's possible, because he reflected badly on the bushites

as a neo-con, he stood out like a sore thumb against their kinder gentler fundie image that they were trying to cultivate.

[Carolab]

16. Plus he was caught outright in a few lies.

Like why * had to fly in on a jet instead of a helicopter to the Lincoln.

And like whether or not the Saudis were cooperative.

[aquart]

5. A clear-eyed and likely analysis.

Hope I'm still around when the tell-all bios come out.

[Eric J in MN]

7. If you take Ari Fleisher at his word, then

after he called Bobby Eberle of GOPUSA and Eberle said they aren't funded by the GOP, then Ari Fleisher was satisfied with that answer.

[sunnystarr]

23. Why in the world would Ari call Eberle??

How would he know who to call in the first place? If he wasn't familiar with GOPUsa why would he know Eberle? Doesn't make sense. Also why would Eberle call Ari? Would Eberle say to Ari ... hey you haven't called on my boy in there with his daily pass for a week now ... what gives?? I don't think that's plausible.

Everyone in the Press Corp. doesn't get to ask a question and they have regular passes, so why would someone with a daily pass expect to be called on?? Besides that - would Ari even take his call? Let's all try to call McClellan and see if we can get through.

[Eric J in MN]

50. If Ari Fleisher knew that Guckert was from GOPUSA,

he'd just need to ask around a little to find out it's run by Eberle.

[aquart]

8. A clear-eyed and likely analysis.

Hope I'm still around when the tell-all bios come out.

[Cleita]

13. Even though Helen Thomas gave Ari a daily spanking, she

was never ignored by him nor given the final indignity that his successor did.

"The real fake news is broadcast from the White House daily!"

[peekaloo]

29. but wasn't it Ari who rearranged the seating assignments and put

Helen in the back? Or was that for Dim Son's Mumble-a-thons only?

[kohodog]

14. There's a reason you're the Plaid Adder!

And Starroute, you're the best. Great stuff here.

[Hissyspit]

15. Fleischer might have left because he knew some of this stuff would...

eventually start to stink and some of the stink would stick to him?

[bleever]

17. Knowing that Gannon's sent there with the Rovian talking points,

we can look what he says about Ari in that light.

In fact, we could go back and look at everything he said anew, in that light.

And Ari did too much bad, bad dirty-work for the axis of weasels to get credit for any conscience at this point. Consideration for his own convenience, yes, but standing up for what's right? Guy was flatter than a cartoon coyote under a 16 ton weight.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

22. An interesting point and well written (as usual)...

... however, irrespective of Fleischer's skills, I still consider him to be an immoral asshole who aided and abetted an evil regime.

So he quit just before his own spleen rose up and strangled him... BFD. I give him no credit, as he chose to mingle with that band of scum. Fleischer should have developed a conscience well before the point where he quit. If James Goo-curt was the final straw for him, then he wasn't paying attention to what went before.

If Fleischer goes all "public-whistle-blower" on the alien lizards that inhabit the WH and is instrumental in them being brought to justice, then he will rise in my estimation. Until then, I'm voting for his spleen.

[canichelouis]

25. Victoria Clarke

left very soon after Ari. I remember saying, 'Something wierd is going in, they're all jumping ship'.

[newyawker99]

27. Hi canichelouis!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[susu369]

36. BTW, where is Torie these days?

She was on teevee talk shows all the time after she left the pentagon spokeswoman position. Haven't seen her for, say, the last year?

Down memory lane:

[Hugin]

28. Very interesting Plaid!

It seemed suspicious at the time when Fleischer
announced he was to "spend more time with his family".

If I remember correctly in that burst of resignations
there was also the head of the EPA.

We all know that her "time with family" was spent
writing a fairly antibush book. I accidentally
noticed the link to her book isn't working right
now either.


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[KharmaTrain]

37. It's Time To Turn Up The Heat On The Eberles

First, I'm curious, and if there's a link, it'd be appreciated. I saw Fleischer's comments but not about him talking with Eberle. If this is conjecture, even if 2 = 2 = 4, there's gotta be a solid paper or video trail before one can jump to that delicious connection.

Which brings me up to why there hasn't been more scrutiny of those right about "Gannon"...ones who were already well connected in the GOOP and RNC and did the real heavy lifting. While "Gannon" is the plant, he didn't spend money...someone else did. Someone paid to set up "Talon", someone paid and made money from "Gannon's" weekend J-School with "tutors from Bob Novakula" and then someone wrote checks to "Gannon" for his "work".

If someone misrepresents my company, I'm held accountable to provide lots of answers...especially if it involves any government agency. I've been parts of unemployment, disability and wage & hour cases where I had to supply time sheets, a detailed record of payroll and other payments and a full job description. Now if we could do the same with Mr. "Gannon".

It'd be especially interesting (and I image revealing), if we could pry into his 2003 tax records...considering he was in the employ of Eberle/GOOPUSA/Talon...and that Mr. "Gannon" is such an upright and prompt tax payer...I'd love to see the 10-99s...if there are any.

Time to widen the net...we all know "Gannon" didn't work alone, yet his name is the only one out there right now. Let's get a couple more for people to get familiar with. Bobby, Bruce & Elizabeth Eberle and Morton Blackwell top my list.

Cheers!

[starroute]

39. I'm also curious about what Richard Viguerie is up to

None of the research on Gannon has yet led directly to Viguerie -- but there are a lot of indirect links.

Both Bruce Eberle and Morton Blackwell worked for Viguerie's direct-mail solicitation operation in the 1970's. Eberle left in 1974 to form his own fundraising firm, while Blackwell hung on until he set up the Leadership Institute in 1979.

Viguerie also has links to Reverend Moon going back to the 1970's, as do some of the individuals connected with Gannongate. Bobby Eberle has written for Moon publications (Washington Times, Insight Magazine), and GOPUSA shares a board member in common with Frontiers of Freedom, which has several people associated with it who have long-standing Moon connections. One of those, adjunct fellow Lynn Francis Bouchey, was in Young Americans for Freedom in the 60's along with Viguerie and Bruce Eberle.

I'm not sure just what Viguerie is up to these days. (He was on The Daily Show recently, but I didn't stick around to watch.) But he's had a hand in so much else over the years that I keep having an uneasy feeling he may be involved in this as well.

[KharmaTrain]

42. He's Like A Godfather...

The further you go up the chain, the more "respectable" and disconnected they become from the dirty work.

I was wondering Vigurie myself...and curious why he appeared on TDS...curious indeed. However, I see a lot of trails leading towards Blackwell first and haven't wanted to run "beyond the supply" lines much higher at this point.

One "Gannon" area that really should be dug into is that "J-School" Blackwell runs...through the "Leadership Institute"; which I bet has a similar "corporate structure" as Eberle's various corporations, which all mesh into a polyglot of tentacles where the money gets funneled.

Another interesting Blackwell "co-incidence" was his passing out those purple heart band-aids at the RNC. First, it asks how he was connected to the Slime Boaters and opens up that network, and second, the Texas delegation was the one who were pictured sporting those band-aids...IIRC, one of those delegates was Bruce Eberle. Of course "Gannon" had to be close by at that time as well...as were a lot of other interesting players.

Again, there's so many openings Gunkert has given here, it's the tedious chore now of digging, probing and demanding...so the truth of this entire enterprise...that I'm certain will go back to Viguerie and others of the 80's era...plus some Watergate names...right into today's enterprise.

Cheers!

[Chico Man]

44. Gannon HAS to know SOMETHING

If he didn't know something extremely devastating to someone in this administration, he would have been silenced via threats or money a long, long time ago.

The only reason he is still on the talk shows is because he has the ability to blackmail someone very important in this administration. Plain and simple.

[ultraist]

46. Gannon may not know anything

He was hired by Eberle (GOPUSA) who is more likely to have direct contact with power players like Rove.

Ari was quoted in a recent article saying he had called Eberle about Gannon. Maybe Ari wasn't in the loop on this when he had suspicions of something not being kosher. It appears that after he called Eberle he was shut down and told to go along by continuing to call on Gannon.

I think Gannon was just a pawn they used and doesn't really know much except possibly WHO Eberle was coordinating with.

Power structures have layers and I doubt Gannon get beyond the first layer. They are telling Gannon what to say, he's just a puppet.

[sandnsea]

45. Who authorized the passes?

Can we stop playing spies like us long enough to just ask some straight up common sense questions?


http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=399

"Who issued the press pass? You keep saying you don’t know, but you know all of this:

On Feb 10, Scott McLellan said

“I've never inserted myself into the process. He, like anyone else, showed that he was representing a news organization that published regularly, and so he was cleared two years ago to receive daily passes, just like many others are.”

On Feb 17, Ari Fleischer said:

He said he resumed calling on Guckert, who used the alias Jeff Gannon, after Bobby Eberle, owner of both GOPUSA and Talon News, "assured me that they were not part of the Republican Party."

"It came as a surprise to me, because I always knew him as Jeff Gannon," he said. Fleischer said he did not know of any other White House reporters using aliases.

When asked about the credentialing process for reporters, Fleischer said he purposely did not get involved in deciding who should get passes and believes no one in his former job should.

Then it was reported that Jeff Gannon was in the press room before there even was a Talon News.

So today, Feb 18, Scott McLellan says:

"He faxed a letter in on his letterhead, they checked that it was a conservative news Web site he worked for," McClellan explained, referring to his staffers who handled such credentialing at the time.

Seems to me if you can go back and find out information about the press pass, then you can find out who authorized the press pass. And is it common practice for the Press Secretary to make personal phone calls if someone is denied a daily pass? Why did Ari get involved in a press pass for an absolute nobody like Gannon? And how could it not have come up at the time that Gannon’s name wasn’t Guckert? Guckert said he always applied for press passes under the name Guckert and just used Gannon in the press room. How could Ari have spoken to Eberle about GOPUSA, Talon News and the press pass if he wasn’t even using the correct name?

Simple questions. I’m thinking the fact that we’re not getting answers tells us more than the answers themselves would.

[ultraist]

47. I think Rove set it up with Eberle

Gannon was there before Scott, so it wasn't him. Perhaps, Ari called to check on the situation because he knew something was off and then was told to continue calling on Gannon. Ari later quits. Maybe this was the last straw for Ari. Maybe he does have a shred of ethics.

On the other hand, maybe Ari set it up and that's why he was speaking to Eberle. I tend to think it was Rove or one of Rove's staff. I got the feelling that Ari was uncomfortable with the arrangement and some of the other goings on in the WH. He was noted as having conflicts with a couple WH officials (Rove maybe?).

Eberle is a power player Republican. I think he is the one people should be investigating.

[sandnsea]

48. Why would Ari call a nobody?

If the staff handled the press passes, why wouldn't Ari just have the staff handle it? Why'd he get involved personally? And how did he have a conversation about Guckert when he thought the person's name was Gannon? Gannon said he always applied for the pass under the name Guckert. Was it the name Eberle that caused him to make the call?

I think we should be looking into both Eberles. There's a connection there between the web sites, whether there's a family relationship or not.