Re: Cooper "grilling" Gannon(limited hangout)...

[RBHam]

In my opinion, another game of "limited hangout"...

Why did Rove decide to allow Gannon to talk to Cooper?

Because Cooper probably agreed to play by some "rules"....

Y'know...no hooker stuff, no pressing on just WHO was Gannon's contact in the White House, nothing on the dirty tricks campaign in S. Dakota...

I don't trust ANYONE on that network since their "re-organization" after Bush stole the White House in 2000 and before 9-11. It still amazes me how quickly Isaacson bent over for the GOP and had the Neo-Con slant ready to help promote the Big Lie.

In my opinion, the "Central" News Network is THE main propaganda organ of the Military Industrial Elite, not Faux. Precisely because they have to be more subtle and crafty, it's far more effective.

"Liberal" media my ass.

[Dookus]

1. I disagree

that was a tough interview, Cooper did very well, and Guckert came off like the lying whore that he is.

I don't think Rove really controls nearly as much as some people here think.

[Callboy]

6. you are making a mistake if you think Rove has no claw.

He has been framing this election of W since W was in his 30's, i bet.

Watch Bush's Brain before you say something like that.

[sickinohio]

9. Rove didn't give Gannon - uh - ehr - Guckert

very good answeres to AC's pre-printed questions, did he? Uh - Ehr - maybe G/G's as dumb as dumbya???

[RBHam]

10. Rove is FAMOUS for his MICRO-MANAGEMENT!

FAMOUS!

If he wasn't directing EVERY move Gannon made, I'll join the priesthood.

[Dookus]

12. You can't have it both ways

if Rove is so fucking powerful and brilliant, then why did Guckert do SO abominably in the interview?

[Callboy]

14. Because Rove is always a step ahead of everyone else..

By the time you get around to thinking like him, you are stuck with the bag.

[Dookus]

18. well

I think it's nuts to credit Rove that much. So now Rove purposely put a gay whore in the press pool, allowed it to become public, then had Gannon do an interview where he admits he's a tool of the GOP, admits he's a prostitute, admits he's a liar, and somehow Bush is supposed to come out of this smelling like a rose? ]

Again, some people give Rove way too much credit.

[BillZBubb]

19. Rove ran the Chimperor in his debates with Kerry.

Thinking people saw the Chimperor get demolished. Everyone else saw the Chimperor show how "steadfast" he is. The Chimperor won the election. (And no, I don't buy that voter fraud caused the Kerry loss.) Stupidity gave a narrow win the the Chimp--that's the Repugs ace in the hole.

[Dookus]

21. no

people did NOT see Bush as the winner of the debates. He won despite that.

And believe me, NOBODY could've watched that Guckert interview and think he did well. Even the freepers are finally facing the fact that he's a lying whore.

[dogindia]

34. vote faud caused the loss

it is important that everyone know they hacked the election. Multiple ways of doing it but in the end they contoled the GEMs and the tabulators.

It is clear Kerry won.

[SmokingJacket]

22. The same reason Bush did so HORRIBLY in the first debate.

I don't know what that reason is... but the guy is not infallible.

Probably the problem is the material poor old Rove has to work with.

[Squeegee]

17. Whore?

The proper term is man-ho. ;)

[ret5hd]

38. i always preferred "he-ho"

[Stirk]

29. I agree- people make Rove out to be some kind of evil mastermind.

But he's more like a clever 8 year old. Dirty tricks. All he has are dirty tricks that he's picked up from a lifetime of working in political campaigns. The tricks work because he's always willing to stoop just a little lower than people expect.

[RBHam]

31. George Bush's Brain

by Sander Hicks
http://sanderhicks.com/bushbrain.html

excerpt:
When the media stumbled upon a story regarding George W. Bush's 1972 cocaine possession arrest, Rove had to find a way to kill the story. He did so by destroying the messenger.

Pop culture biographer J.H. Hatfield was on hand, traveling in and out of Texas at the time, interviewing Rove and other Bush aides to research the premier Bush biography "Lone Star Rising." The book that was later titled Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President, a more critical title that reflects its turbulent publishing history. One of Hatfield's acquaintances and primary sources was longtime Bush friend and schoolmate, Clay Johnson, a longtime Dallas businessman. When Hatfield was convicted of a felony in the late 80's, it’s likely Johnson learned of it. When Hatfield approached them to research Bush, the Bush campaign already had the upper hand by knowing Hatfield’s felony record: a perfect way to discredit all stories of Bush's drug past. In October 1999, St. Martin's published Fortunate Son amidst a lot of buzz and hope of positive attention from major media. However, St. Martin's was hit with a one-two punch. First, the New York Times refused to give the book the coverage St. Martin’s was counting on. So, St. Martin's dragged Hatfield into a meeting and leaned on him to reveal the confidential Bush campaign sources that told him the cocaine story. Fearing retribution, and honoring his journalistic code, Hatfield refused. Then, St. Martin's learned that the Dallas Morning News was about to break news about Hatfield's felony record. The Bush Campaign began to publicly make legal threats against the book, and the media uproar about Hatfield's felony record killed the book, and the cocaine story.

More than 70,000 copies of Fortunate Son were withdrawan. "They're heat! Furnace fodder!" snapped the vitriolic St. Martin's Vice President Sally J. Richardson. The media focus shifted from reporting on Hatfield's Bush story to loud, loose talk about Hatfield's felony. The major media tended to sing the same chorus: "How ironic, this Hatfield character who was involved in a dirty plot to kill his boss in 1987 is trying to verify these rumors about young Bush being arrested for cocaine possession in 1972. But this story couldn't be true, of course, since Hatfield's a criminal...right?"

more...

[Goldeneye]

2. If that is the case Rove should've made better rules.

Gucky came out looking like an ass.

[Callboy]

3. They are getting as bad a SlyFox

[goodhue]

4. It was 10 plus minutes of pretty intense grilling

Way above my admittedly low expectations

[RBHam]

5. Why won't Gannon allow non-CIA newsman Olbermann a shot?

THAT I'd like to see...

[rustydad]

30. YES!

I have become addicted to Olbermann. He has got to be by far the best news show on TV now. Bob

[spanone]

7. Even if they are, this interview did not help GanGurk.

[Callboy]

8. nothing can help the gucking gatester

[Callboy]

11. When will Fair And Balanced OReilly "grill" him????

[sickinohio]

24. Probably when O'Reilly become FAIR and Balanced!!!

[LibDemAlways]

13. I didn't think Cooper was

particularly tough on Guckert. "Escort service?" Uh, how about prostitute with genitals prominently displayed on the internet.

Considering what's already known about this guy - tax evasion, dirty tricks in South Dakota, questionable "credentials" that got him easy access into the WH press room as well as WH Christmas parties, ties to a bunch of GOP operatives, ties to the Plame story, and plenty of porn and hooker websites - I'd say Guckert got off easy.

And I'd sure like to know what Rove said or did that motivated Gannon to get his ass on tv for an obvious attempt at damage control.

[Straight Shooter]

20. People know that "escort service" is a euphemism for "sex for hire"

Anderson was merely throwing a bone to polite society.

Yes, there are legitimate escort services, but they are oh so few and oh so far between.

[KharmaTrain]

32. I Had To Re-Watch The Video Again

I have mixed reactions:

The first red flag: pre-recorded...thus it could have been edited (which I noticed happened in the first question...more to condense time).

I was pleasantly surprised when Cooper did a cross-examination on the guy's credibility right from the outset. He did let Gunkert get out his big talking point about being persecuted for speaking out...which Anderson let pass, but that was since he had other fish to fry here.

Cooper knew ALL the talking points going on here...RoveCo's and the 'libruls/blogpeople'...and had his sources and facts right there...but didn't really pounce on a bunch of Gunkert lies about him still being a "journalist"...which a major will laugh at this; those inside the GOOP hive still think THIS is the story...his being supressed from asking questions that us 'libruls' don't like.

The most telling answer Gunkert gives is his very last one...when after denying his private life and dancing around like a marionette, he says something like "I'd just like my past life not to interefere with my future". I'll bet this man's been running like that all his life.

[TomClash]

15. I agree

Who did he first approach to get a White House pass?

Who disclosed the timing of "Shock and Awe" to him?

Did he ever escort anyone in the White House?

How did he come to observe classified CIA documents on Valerie Plame?

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[RBHam]

16. The Limited Hangout - A PSYOP Strategy of Deception

Council on Foreign Relations members in the intelligence community and the media use a psychological strategy called a "limited hangout." A "limited hangout" is used by Intelligence Organization's when a clandestine operation goes bad; or, a phoney cover story blows up. When discovered the Intelligence Organization volunteers some of the truth while still managing to withhold key and damaging facts in the case.

The public is so intrigued by the new information it doesn't pursue the matter further. The new disclosures are sensational, but superficially so. Some of the lesser scoundrels are identified and publicly exposed to twist uncomfortably on network TV and in the press.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/LtdHangout.ht...

[dogindia]

35. link does not work.

[RBHam]

39. here ya go....

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/LtdHangout.html

[RBHam]

23. Damn, I AM a party pooper - ain't I...

Sorry.

Just call 'em as I see 'em...

[shance]

25. Not at all RB. You are just interested in finding the truth.

Which is always appreciated***

:)

[RBHam]

26. Why, yes...

I'm very interested in the truth...

Here's some more...

Republican dirty tricks and smears: An ignoble history
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/18/204745/526

[ultraist]

27. Gannon is under the total control of the WH

Don't underestimate the power that they have. This guy is not making any decisions on his own. They told him to do this interview and they told him what to say.

I agree, this is a limited hangout manuever.

[RBHam]

28. Exactly - and you have to ask why Rove approved Cooper to do it.

Don'tcha?

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36. ----------Transcript-----------Link---------Here:

*******QUOTE*******

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0502/18/acd.01.html

COOPER: For the past two years, a man known as Jeff Gannon regularly showed up at the White House. He got a daily press pass and worked as a reporter. No one paid much attention to him, until a few weeks ago when he asked the president a question during a White House press conference. Since then, his past has been laid bare, he's resigned from his job, and more questions continue to be raised about how and why he got into the White House in the first place. ....

I started by asking him why he doesn't use his real name?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GANNON: I use a pseudonym, because my real name is very difficult to pronounce, to remember and to spell. And many people who have been talking about me on television have yet to pronounce it correctly.

COOPER: But I mean, your real name is James and you used the pseudonym Jeff.

GANNON: Yes.

COOPER: How is James so much harder than Jeff?

GANNON: No, no, I meant my last name.

COOPER: Well, your real last name is Guckert, and the pseudonym you used is Gannon.

GANNON: Yes. It's easier to pronounce, to remember and to spell.

COOPER: But when you would go into the White House to get a pass for a briefing, you would use the name James Guckert.

GANNON: Yes, because that's the name on my driver's license. ....

********UNQUOTE*******

[ultraist]

37. They had Cooper do it, so it appeared legit

It was all choreographed. Had they put him on FOX, no one would believe the interview was legit. These people are not stupid nor do they care if Gannon looks like an idiot. They don't give a fuck about Gannon, they just want to be certain that their message gets out there: The WH had nothing to do with hiring Gannon, he was not a propaganda plant. Keep the public distracted by focusing on Gannon.

To underestimate the power of the most influential governmental administration in the world is foolish. We are talking about the UNITED STATES government.

Rove and his team set this all up. They vetted the interview AFTER they had certain parts edited out.

Besides, it's commonplace for people to agree to interviews under the condition that their people can require certain edits.

I'm not sure people realize how much stagecraft goes into most of these types of interviews and press conferences. Even campaign events are choreographed.

It comes down to whether or not you trust the WH and believe they have cut Gannon loose. Would they do that? Or would they want to maintain control and get the "right" message out there?

[RBHam]

40. limited hangout boot

notice the pattern