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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:16 AM
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need help replying to pathetic freeper editorial .. definition of Fascism
this guy didn't know squat about what he was talking about, it was just more Democratic Party bashing...after a Quart of Jack Danial's and a pack of Camels.. , after a KKK meeting.

if anyone has some good links to share on Fascism/Bu$h.. please share them. i am going to write a reply tonight.

thanks
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:24 AM
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1. Not something that can be read through before tonight, but best
work on the subject I've seen is: Aristotle A. Kallis, ed., THE FASCISM READER, Routledge,London: 2003. 513pp.

Gives a wide survey of academic opinion on what fascism is and isn't, how it develops, and why.

The bottom-line, as far as my reading goes, is that BushCo, is a "para-Fascist" regime, with many similarities to the Portuguese and Chilean varieties of "free market" national security states.
The Hitler Germany parallels are overstretched.

Happy reading.
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blueheeler Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:27 AM
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2. Here is a great one.
Look at this. It gives 14 characteristics of facism and for each one, gives multiple links to prove that these poeple exemplify that statement.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Here is a short example;

6.) Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
-Jeff "Gannon": A fake journalist using a fake name linked to a republican operative is given Whitehouse press credentials and given preferential treatment during press conferences.
Conservative columnist discloses CIA operative's name, liberal reporters face jail time
-Chain of TV and radio station donates $300,000 worth of airtime to GOP candidates for free last-minute political ads
-A television pundit gets secret payments to promote a new United States government education policy. Columnists are paid to provide support for a White House marriage stance. Actresses play news reporters to promote drug laws. A system of ranking reporters who criticize official policy. These, and possibly many other public relations stunts, are some examples of publicity contracts paid for by the U.S. government, which has spent more than a quarter billion dollars on public relations in the past four years.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:49 AM
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14. Great link - Thanks
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blueheeler Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 09:25 AM
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16. Thanks!
Here is another one I like. It is useful and makes fun of Ann Coulter!
:hi:
http://users.rcn.com/skutsch/anticoulter/coulterfascist.html
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:28 AM
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3. The encyclopaedia entry on Wikipedia is a good one
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:32 AM
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8. Fascism refers to
right-wing authoritarian political...

Somehow all the rightwingnuts miss reading that "RIGHT-WING" part.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:35 AM
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10. Yes, it's funny how they forget that part
Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 08:36 AM by Anarcho-Socialist
:eyes: :bounce:
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:28 AM
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4. Just send him Mussolini's description of capitalism
and considering that Mussolini coined the term "fascism." I think he'd know what he was describing.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

Mussolini's entire concept came out of a merger of corporate and government power, not with government controlling corporations, but with government and corporations working hand in hand and with large amounts of corporate welfare (sound familiar?).

Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist did a study of many fascist and totalitarian regimes throughout history, and found the following similarities between them all:

"For the purpose of this perspective, I will consider the following regimes: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco’s Spain, Salazar’s Portugal, Papadopoulos’s Greece, Pinochet’s Chile, and Suharto’s Indonesia. To be sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities, cultures, developmental levels, and history. But they all followed the fascist or protofascist model in obtaining, expanding, and maintaining power. Further, all these regimes have been overthrown, so a more or less complete picture of their basic characteristics and abuses is possible.

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite."

(entire article can be found at: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm )

Ring any bells?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 09:32 AM
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17. I printed out Dr. Britt's list because it's succinct and based on fascist
regimes which became well-developed.

Unfortunately, each of the fourteen shared characteristics do exist to some degree in our country.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:29 AM
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5. The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

Supremacy of the Military

Rampant Sexism

Controlled Mass Media

Obsession with National Security

Religion and Government are Intertwined

Corporate Power is Protected

Labor Power is Suppressed

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fraudulent Elections

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRI411A.html

As anyone with the tiniest particle of brain can see, bush is a fascist and America is a fascist state.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:29 AM
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6. From Wikkipedia
The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that:

exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual.

uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition.

engages in severe economic and social regimentation.

engages in corporatism.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:31 AM
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7. Main Entry: Fascism
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=fascism&x=10&y=11

Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality -- J. W. Aldridge>
- fas·cist /-shist also -sist/ noun or adjective, often capitalized
- fas·cis·tic /fa-'shis-tik also -'sis-/ adjective, often capitalized
- fas·cis·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb, often capitalized



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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:33 AM
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9. I prefer the authority and brevity of Webster's definition:
fas.cism n. 1. A philosophy or system of governement that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:43 AM
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12. Bingo. It should list bush's rightwingnut America as an example.
bush & the rightwingnuts are THE prime example today of "merging of state and business leadership, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism."
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:41 AM
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11. This may be of interest:
"While communism is the control of business by government, fascism is the control of government by business. My American Heritage Dictionary defines fascism as 'a system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership together with belligerent nationalism.' Sound familiar?"
- Robert Kennedy, Jr; "Crimes Against Nature"; HarpurCollins; 2004; page 193.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:49 AM
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13. Definition of Fascism
anything posted on the Free Republic board
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