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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:45 AM Original message |
Just got off the phone w/ Joseph Wilson (YO BurtWorm) |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. Oooooo. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you, Will! |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Welcome |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. I think Gannon mentioned that it DID come from INR |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. This is the part of DU that is referred to as pure gold. So the Helen |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 03:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
106. I believe the document in question was Meeting minutes |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Ah shyte... |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. Good work. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
98. Hey, you took alot of shisa for that supposition BW. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-18-05 11:30 AM Response to Reply #98 |
134. Thank you for noticing, mzmolly! |
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CottonBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. What is the INR? n/t |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. It's a State Department intelligence board. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. the group corn was trying to provide cover for in his recent article... |
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CottonBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Thank you! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Plame was outed in July 2003. This "memo" appeared in October 2003 |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. if memory serves they were using this as cover as soon as they got called |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Yes, of course! Whoever manufactured this bullshit "memo" |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. and ganon could be the CATALYST - SEX SELLS! |
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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Do you think we should just let Gannon fade? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. My personal feeling is that it would be a miracle if someone of Gannon's |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. You know, if that's true, |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Interesting phrase -- "someone of Gannon's caliber" |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. The evidence we do have is that he's very low caliber. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. The evidence we have is that he's a low caliber journalist... |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. I listed a few of the very few "facts" we have. |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. I agree with you 100%, Understanding life |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
69. Agree....the fact is he was a Conservative Male Prostitute "Posing" as a |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
90. UL - that's the way my thinking runs, too. Also possible BLACKMAIL |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. From "intelligencesquad" Gannon may have been in the WH Press Room... |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. I respect your postings on this BurtWorm. And you are correct. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Thank you, Old and In the Way! |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 10:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
102. But what about the safety of our fearful leader? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:18 AM Response to Reply #102 |
111. Do you really want less access to government information? |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #111 |
126. Well, no, that's not what I said |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 11:50 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. What is a journalist? |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Why don't you ask some real journalists? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. It's not that I think there is "nothing wrong here." |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:20 AM Response to Reply #102 |
113. he is incompatible with the moral stance of the white house |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
123. well said! |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-18-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
136. Agree and disagree, OAINTW. Gannon's scandalous sexuality is |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
99. My sense of Gannon is that he would not dead end himself to |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:19 AM Response to Reply #99 |
112. He's a fifteen minute kind of guy. |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #112 |
128. I agree and what's even more interesting |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Amen! |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. It seems as though Ganuckert is a means to an end. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. The Cover-Up Eventually Gets Them, Every Time |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. Did the memo appear in October 2003 |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Good question. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
101. LOL |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:20 AM Response to Reply #101 |
114. Courtesy of Jack Lemmon in Some Like It Hot |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-18-05 11:50 AM Response to Reply #21 |
135. Could Gannon be a plant to take attention away from the original leaker? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
64. read this about corn!! |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
110. But the memo was created to still attempt to smear BOTH Wilson and Plame |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:42 AM Response to Reply #110 |
115. The legend of the memo was certainly created. |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:57 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. I think it is established at this point that the memo exists |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 05:04 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. That remains to be seen--literally! |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 05:10 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. See #106 |
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Penndems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
81. Bureau of Intelligence and Research |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. I love you Will! |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
6. Thanks, Will! |
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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. Good Stuff... |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
9. Good to Know You're Keeping it Alive |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
11. Thanks Will. Thanks for the interview. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Um |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. /I've been thinking about that all |
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golden voyages (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
15. Wilson: "I think Patrick Fitzgerald is going to indict " |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
16. Can Someone "Nutshell" This For Me, Please? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Nutshell |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Ahhh, Got It! Thanks! My, What A Tangled Web We Weave |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. That is my feeling. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Yeah, I Wonder WHY Wilson Ever Agreed to Be Interviewed By Him??? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Wilson says he wanted to take his case to conservative Americans |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Wilson is also not a snob |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. I believe that. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. i got to meet joe wilson at the dem national convention |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
73. You might want to check the link in #30. (nt) |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. Excellent! Thanks for the nutshell. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. Question from the Peanut Gallery: |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
116. I think Gannon arranged the interview. |
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soleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
22. The thing that still confuses me about all this |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
61. This is how Eloriel (whom I respect) explained this to me yesterday. |
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soleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. Okay, but I'm still confused about this |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. As For Novak |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Ah! That helps a LOT. |
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soleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:21 PM Original message |
Yep |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Never mind |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
24. yeah--no memo exists--it was all just rumor and talk |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
26. Great interview. |
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paineinthearse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
28. Ask Joe Wilson.... |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
30. Here's "Susan G's" summary of her email exchanges with Wilson. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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lawladyprof (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
42. Sometimes, it's not the crime but the cover-up that brings down |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
45. Beautiful. |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Just when I was beginning to think there were no more heroes... |
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MsTryska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
47. great Stuff - but one nitpicky thing Will.... |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
49. kick |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
55. I absolutely ADORE Joe Wilson |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
57. Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot during Clinton's term? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. We should take our cues from Republicans? |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Oh give me a fucking break. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. They screw us all any way. My philosophizing has nothing to do with it. |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. So, are you saying we should forget about Gannon? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. In my opinion, he's almost a total waste of time. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. lol |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. How do you draw that conclusion? |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. "In my opinion, he's almost a total waste of time." |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. "He" is not the same as "the whole thing." |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. he is, PART of it... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
96. Naw, naw! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:12 AM Response to Reply #96 |
109. Just because I've been wasting time on him doesn't mean he isn't |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 06:26 AM Response to Reply #109 |
120. I would agree |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 08:34 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. The best use I can see for Gannon to try to get to the truth |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 10:50 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. One of the things |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Why is Russ Mokhiber called on at press conferences? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 02:11 PM Response to Reply #125 |
131. Let's be serious. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. I am serious. |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 07:07 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. "...almost a total waste of time..." |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 01:43 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. Ms Dowd "gets it": |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:09 AM Response to Reply #97 |
108. I said (as you duly noted) "ALMOST a total waste of time" |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. no. we should report the WHOLE UGLY TRUTH. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. We know that he did pass a security check... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post told me in an e-mail last week |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. So owing $20K in taxes is just dismissed as an over due library book? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 04:05 AM Response to Reply #91 |
107. How would the drone running a security check on Gannon know he was |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 11:07 AM Response to Reply #107 |
124. You are! |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
59. Great work Will and BurtWorm |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. That comment may be important... |
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sunnystarr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. I wondered about that too ... |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
89. Supposedly, it did run |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
71. thanks for your great journalism Will... |
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Penndems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
80. Will, thanks so much for this wonderful interview |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. My Problem with the WH and Gannon |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 07:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. they KNEW and didn't care... remeber benard kerik? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
94. Your name and the interview with Wilson was mentioned |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
95. and FR was the "incubator" on both "stories" |
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deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-16-05 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
103. great article: Gannon needs to be subponeaed if he has not been already |
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Rockerdem (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-05 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
105. I'm still not sure what Amb Wilson is saying |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-18-05 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
137. An immodest proposal: a meta-conspiracy with blackmail |
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