everyone, be glad that you don't go to Bob Jones University (holy crap)

[Hell in a Handbasket]

http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/rhall.html


a few things i noticed about residence life...

--What Not to Bring
Posters of movie and music stars and fashion models are not permitted. The subjects of personal photos should exhibit the modesty and appropriate physical contact we expect from our students.

--Music must be compatible with the University's music standards:
New Age, jazz, rock, and country music is not permitted.
Contemporary Christian music is not permitted (e.g., Michael W. Smith, Stephen Curtis Chapman, WOW Worship, and so forth).
Televisions and DVD/videocassette players are not permitted in the residence halls; computer DVD players may not be used to view movies.

--You may not possess or play computer and video games rated T, M, or A or having elements of blood and gore, sensual or demonic themes, or featuring suggestive dress, bad language, or rock music.
Due to space considerations, appliances such as mini-refrigerators and microwaves are not permitted in residence hall rooms. A refrigerator for medical-related needs and microwaves are provided in each residence hall.

--Residence hall students may not watch videos above a G rating when visiting homes in town and may not attend movie theaters.
All weapons must be turned in for storage. Trigger locks are required for pistols. Fireworks are not permitted on campus.

<<Anyone find it ironic that they can't bring a contemporary christian CD, but they CAN bring a pistol, as long as it has a trigger lock?>>

[Beetwasher]

1. LOL! Wow, That's Pretty Insane!

:wow:

Imagine the freaks that go there? I'd be willing to bet that these kids are going to be the wildest, kinkiest sex freaks you can imagine...All that repression really does fuck with your head...

[ComerPerro]

2. up until about 2001, they had a ban on interracial dating

That is reason enough.

But, damn.

[Hell in a Handbasket]

4. i've also heard rumors....

that girls arent allowed to eat bananas in front of boys, lest they be filled with naughty thoughts.

[Salviati]

8. That's not true...

They're just required to eat them with a knife and fork.

:evilgrin:

[LastKnight]

10. i heard the most affection you can show there

is like holding hands or somesuch. how do those people live?

-LK

[Geek_Girl]

78. In Al Franken's book

He talks about Bob Jones U and holding hands is not permitted and you have to have a chaperone.

[Rush1184]

112. Nope...

I heard they have seperate paths for guys and girls

[Auntie Bush]

45. Are hot dogs banned too?

[Hell in a Handbasket]

48. no, but polish sausages are frowned upon.

heh.

[DrWeird]

16. That's still in effect.

They just changed the wording to include "only with parental permittion." i.e. the ban still very much exists.

[ComerPerro]

40. parental permission?

I can imagine that conversation when I asked my girlfriend out:

"Well, I like you and I think we are really compatable. But I don't want to settle for just being your friend. So, as soon as my parents sign this permission slip and I submit it to the registrar's office, I would like to take you on a date."

[FreedomAngel82]

54. LOL

Funny and sad. *sigh*

[theboss]

89. No weirder than Antioch in the 90s....

I like you very much...may I remove your bra?

[jdj]

94. it's weird you can't have a tv but you can have a gun?

what college stores guns for kids??? that is fucked.

[Behind the Aegis]

109. a few do

Actually, quite a few universities will store a weapon at the university police station for a student, who may pick it up on the way away from campus. Considering, I work in Res Life, this is very common in quite a few places, especially colleges in Red states and rural areas!

[TheMightyFavog]

123. UWSP does.

There's an armory in the Protective Services building where the hunters keep thier guns and bows.

[FreedomAngel82]

53. Seriously?

My goodness!

[tridim]

3. I'd rather be in prison

That sounds like hell.

[KamaAina]

33. You'd get more action for sure, and probably a better education

More diverse student body, and of course Mean Machine football in the fall... Slammer State it is! :-)

[mitchum]

68. I actually got LOTS of action thanks to Bob Jones

I didn't go to that ridiculous hellhole, but grew up in the town (Greenville SC) A number of the students are SENT by their parents. Such a situation can, and does, lead to very frustrated and randy young ladies. My gain :)

[Liberal In Texas]

5. They get all the Kool-Aid they can drink, though n/t

[LastKnight]

6. i think every adminstrator there would have a heart attack, if they saw...

my dorm room. and its one of the more tame rooms here.

-LK

[FreedomAngel82]

57. In my bedroom

I have an Ozzy Osbourne poster on my wall so I doubt they'd like that and a punk/rock band. ;) The beauty of living at home.

[LastKnight]

70. nono, i didnt mean i was going to that god forsaken university.

im just saying, if their administrators saw my dorm room they wouldnt like it, i got several band posters (rage against the machine, nirvana) and a fuck bush poster, and a che guevara poster... me and my roomate have magazine clippings from maxim around the room and on our door as well. that would get somone killed at BJU im sure. i didnt mean to imply im going to that god forsaken place. lol

-LK

[lukasahero]

7. BWAHAHAHA!

"You may not possess or play computer and video games... featuring... rock music." Good luck with that. ;-)

The gun/music thing is just beyond bizarre. Because of course we know that "guns don't kill people, music kills people". :spank:

[tjwmason]

9. The only things banned from my residence

were candles (fire-hazard) and kettles (go figure); of course everybody had them, and on the very rare occasions that there were going to be checks the cleaners would tell us all in advance (a good reason to be sweet and nice to one's cleaner - over and above normal human decency).

[candle_bright]

11. Wow, it sounds just like

Animal House! Not. B-)

[parasim]

12. Yeah... no violent video games, but you can bring a gun...

a guy I knew once visited the school and said the campus was ringed with fences with barbed wire... not sure if that's true or not, but they might as well...

i wonder, do they make you wear orange jump suits, too?

[Hell in a Handbasket]

17. they might as well make you wear jumpsuits, yes.

jeeesus

[Dems4HowardDean]

21. It has a high fence around it with lots of secruity people

at the gate and patroling. In my longer hair days I tried to go on campus (they have a great christan art museum) but they wouldn't let me because my hair was over my collar. I lived a couple of miles from Bob Jones but have now moved to the coastal area with lots of liberals.!

[Art_from_Ark]

115. Wow, that's rich. What would they do if Jesus walked up to the gate?

Jesus: I'd like to visit your Christian art museum, please.

Guard: Sorry, pal, but your hair's too long.

[Dems4HowardDean]

136. lol thats what I don't under stand. They don't like long hair

or beards but all pictures of Jesus have both.

[LastKnight]

13. oh dear god... not the... no... it cant be... NO! NOOOOOOOOOO!

not the ROCK MUSIC! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. AH.

i mean come on they dont allow new age, jazz, rock, or country? or even contemp christian? well... i suppose they are having fun with their gregorian chants.

-LK

[DrWeird]

18. The must listen to a lot of gangsta rap.

Jerizzle Falwizzle is down for that.

[LibertyLover]

127. Gregorian chants

I bet they can't listen to Gregorian chants either, since that is evil, satanic Roman Catholic music.

[HughBeaumont]

14. Regarding music . . .

--Music must be compatible with the University's music standards:
New Age, jazz, rock, and country music is not permitted.

Bitchin'! So metal, doom, grind, spazcore, klezmer are oK then?!?!?

Seriously, since pretty much ALL modern music is an offshoot of the four non-permitted genres, does that leave the Mormon Tabernacle Choir?

What the hell kind of place IS this?

[Hell in a Handbasket]

19. it's the kind of place where men arent allowed to grow facial hair.

or wear, um, t-shirts. check out their dress code.

[FreedomAngel82]

59. I bet they listen to Ozzy Osbourne and Marylin Manson

LOL!

[mitchum]

90. They do allow big band music, though...

because NO ONE ever fucked or got liqueured up to big band music. Nope. Never.

[mitchum]

93. Recently retired president Bob Jones III is a life long closet case...

it was a not-so-secret secret as long as I can remember.

[TlalocW]

15. One of my best friends

Went to Baptist Bible College in Springfield, Missouri (their most famous graduate - Jerry Falwell) when he was in his mid-20s.

They had to sign an oath to only listen to certain radio stations, couldn't go to movies, could only watch certain tv shows, couldn't listen to CDs, etc. Men also weren't allowed facial hair. Well, my friend is a musically (untrained) gifted person and loves movies so he ignored all that (as I'm sure most of the students did), and he went to our rural Kansas hometown doctor, the only Jewish guy in town, and asked him to write him something that said he had sensitive skin and couldn't shave that often. The doctor asked why and upon hearing the reason replied, "So you're asking me to lie to Baptists? (pause) Okay."

I visited him once and attended some classes with him. I got a lot of strange looks because I was violating the dress code with my stache and goatee as well as my sneakers and Superman t-shirt.

One of the classes was Spanish (which is one of my degrees) so when the class was split into groups for an in-class assignment, I helped his group, which meant we got done faster. One of the guys in the group and I started chatting, and he asked me where I went, and I told him my undergrad as well as Oklahoma State where I did some grad work. He mentioned a famous bar there (Eskimo Joe's) that he would go to when they had a good band playing. He would drive in from Tulsa. I told him I'm currently living in Tulsa. The conversation then went like this:

Him: Oh, really? What church do you go to?
Me: (Not thinking) I don't go to church.
Him: (Uncomfortable pause) Well, if you're interested, there's a good church at 101st and...
Me: That was your church, wasn't it?
Him: Well, yeah.
Me: (Realizing how to end the conversation) Actually, sometimes I do attend church - St. Francis de Guadalupe (a Catholic church) with friends and to practice my Spanish. Do you know it?
Him: (Icily) Yes.

I was quite proud of my being able to use a conservative Baptist's dislike of Catholicism to make him leave me alone. :)

TlalocW

[Ladyhawk]

100. Good one!

My brother attended some kind of fundy college near Springfield for one year. I'm not sure if that's the one, but it could be. It sounds worse than the fundy school we attended as kids. I still got three extra years of fundy crap, though.

Now my brother is an Ayn Rand objectivist. I'm an atheist. I guess the brainwashing didn't take.

[knitter4democracy]

126. I went to a Nazarene college, and our Spanish prof told us

to go to Spanish-speaking Catholic churches. She grew up as a missionary kid in Nicaragua and was fairly open-minded for a Nazarene. I don't know how she didn't get in trouble for a lot of the stuff she said.

Our rules were similar but not as bad, and a lot of us went to the Naz because we felt we were supposed to. It was only after we got there and were there long enough to make transferring almost impossible that we saw how awful things really were.

Spanish class joke: Judy (the prof) loves to wear black and is very large-chested. Okay, she's a bit odd, but anyway . . . She used the chalkboard constantly and often got chalk dust all over her. One day, a not-so-great student started frantically looking in his dictionary, writing things down, mouthing the words, etc. Judy looked at him but couldn't figure out what was going on and so kept teaching. Finally, he raised his hand and said, "Senora, hay nieva en las montanas." The whole class started giggling, but she was puzzled and so answered back, "Si, hay nieva en las montanas." At this point, the whole class broke up, laughing hysterically. Finally, one of the other students managed to get out, "Judy, you have chalk dust on your, um, front." Judy, who cannot be embarrassed ever, apparently did turn red when she looked down and saw chalk dust all over her very large chest. That became something all the Spanish majors and minors said all the time after that.

[seabeyond]

20. wow, hide self from outside world and carry a gun

this is just friggin amazing. wow. i say again

[Alpharetta]

22. You can play guitar and piano, but no jazz chords

No 7th majors or 6ths permitted. No 9ths either.

You must have parental permission to play bar chords.

You may bring hymnals, but you are not allowed to play any traditional negro spirituals with swing tempo. Straight 4/4 only.

Toe tapping allowed, but only on the beat.

[Hell in a Handbasket]

49. no drums, either! they're the baclkbeat of the devil's heart! nt

[Rabrrrrrr]

71. And a 13th? That's grounds for immediate suspension.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

23. and every morning at noon they bow down to a golden statue of pat boone

what the hell is this- ned flanders university?

[Hell in a Handbasket]

25. no, the statue is actually of Jerry Falwell.

oh wait, that' Liberty U.

[progressoid]

24. Well shit. Sex, Drugs, & Rok-n-roll, was my motivation for going to colleg

[Dems4HowardDean]

26. Women aren't allowed to wear pants either.

[Ladyhawk]

101. Well, that sounds like a turn on...women with no pants. :P n/t

[Dems4HowardDean]

145. Only dresses and skirts below the knees

still sexier than pants on a women :^)

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

27. can't wait to have kids and enroll them in Bob Jones' Taliban U!

where infidels who listen to the devil's music, like Michael W. Smith (wtf?)aren't allowed

cameras are also banned, as they steal your soul and over-the-counter painkillers like tylonel are contraband. all ailments are to be treated with bloodletting and leeches by campus health specialist, Theodoric of York

[Hell in a Handbasket]

30. no, ailments are treated by the laying on of hands. nt

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

35. by this guy

Benny Hinn, close personal friend of Newt Gingrich

[FreedomAngel82]

62. Now he is really scary

[BattyDem]

28. Why would anyone agree to live like this?

Basically, you're paying a yearly tuition to go to prison! They can't play video games, have a poster of their favorite band or watch a PG movie - but they can own a gun???

The thing that really made me laugh ...
New Age music is banned. NEW AGE??? Pretty, mellow, instrumental music can not be played ... because we all know what a bad influence Yanni is! :eyes:

And these aren't just campus rules, they expect you to obey them "when visiting homes in town" - WTF????????

These people are absolutely insane! It's like they're trying to outlaw everything that could entertain and/or bring some form of joy to a person. WTF is their problem? :shrug:

[LiberallyInclined]

29. because their parents force them to

i can't imagine why else anyone would go there.

[BattyDem]

39. But how do they ...

function in society after getting such a sheltered education? I took a look a that majors offered: there are programs in science, education, emotional disabilities, nursing, pre-med ... are the students getting the real version or the twisted-Christian version of these courses? (We all know that fundies aren't big on science and they believe all emotional problems can be solved by praying.) If they aren't getting the real version, how the hell are they functioning in their professions? :shrug:


Something that made me laugh ...
There is a degree program for "Bible" but there's also one for "Bible (Women)" ... apparently the Bible is different for women than it is for men. :eyes:

[theboss]

95. The programs aren't accredited

To me, that's the real problem with Bob Jones U and what they aren't telling people openly. Like I said, I could care less how the students live. They know what they signed up for.

It sounds like Church Camp for nine months a year. I never liked Church Camp.

[MountainLaurel]

120. They don't

A friend who is a music teacher worked with a choral teacher (part-time) who attended one of these fine institutions. She was pretty much dumb as dirt anyway, and taught all techniques using the music of Jewel. Well, his suspicions were confirmed when she asked him one day: "How do you count out half-time?"

I haven't played an instrument in 10 years, and I remember half-time measures.

[seabeyond]

67. a lot of kids are being suckered in. i am watching it with fundie

school. i am watching from pre k up the conditioning (cult my husband says) that are creating these children. they want this school. they want the control and isolation from the outside world. i didnt in a lifetime know what it was about, now i do. having kids in it for 6 years

[Piperay]

108. Yeah and John Tesh too

is bad influence even though he is also a Christain but he composes New Age music. :scared:

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. Al Franken has a chapter in his book about him going to Bob Jones

University and it's HYSTERICAL! Those people are STRANGE, STRANGE, STRANGE!

[Hell in a Handbasket]

32. oooh, what's he say?

i g2g and rent that book.

[AngryOldDem]

38. You have to read it

The stunt he pulled was absolutely cruel -- as taking extreme advantage of the dimwits among us usually is -- but funny as hell.

It's best to let Al tell it as only he can.

[Hell in a Handbasket]

46. alrighty, i'll rent it. lol. nt

[Kinkistyle]

77. An an experiment, he tried to enroll his "son"

Well not really his son (who refused to go thru it), he convinced one of his staffers to pose as his "son" and visit the campus in hopes of enrolling. It is a very eye-opening read. Very funny, but also very creepy.

[theboss]

91. It's a strange place no doubt....

But I tend to agree with Al's son. If people want to live this way, let them. As long as I don't have to....

[Stop_the_War]

34. WTF? And people go there willingly?

I'm just curious, how many people go to this piece of shit "university"?

[Hell in a Handbasket]

37. i think a few thousand...dont know where they come from, though. nt

[mitchum]

86. Surprisingly, the MIDWEST...

Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kansas...

I grew up in Greenville, and as a young child I never heard the word "yankee" in reference to a person from New England, etc...
It was ALWAYS a component of the 4 word phrase "yankee Bob Jones people" The university and its students were HATED by the townspeople.
One normally associates their crazyass nonsense with southern fundamentalism, but that is not the actual case with BJU. In the past, they would typically finish their four years at that nuthouse, and then return to their Midwestern homes. However, starting about 20 years ago many began staying in the area. Consequently, they infiltrated the local school board and county council. Another downside of the sunbelt migration.

[Bridget Burke]

42. I'm sure the kids go where their parents send them...

Sounds like a place to send the home-schooled to minimize their contact with the "real world." (Yes, I know that all homeschoolers are not religious nuts; but a large & vocal number of them are.)

Apparently, the student body is about 5,000. (Click here to learn more about BJU: www.bju.edu/)

How many BJU alumni continue with their Godly ways? How many go completely wild? It would be an interesting study....

[ikojo]

56. Anyone else find it a bit funny and ironic that their

website is BJu? hmmmm BJ?

Now THAT is some education!

[bunkerbuster1]

118. Funny, when we were househunting here in Red State Hell

a few years back, we were thinking of making an offer on a home owned by what we assumed was a lesbian couple. I don't know for certain, but our realtor was practically saying "Hey--looky here! We're enlightened! We haven't burned these ladies at the stake!"

in so many words.

Anyways, I couldn't help but notice, one of them had a diploma on the wall--from good ol' BlowJob U.

I've always wondered how long these fundie morons can cling to their homophobia when it's OBVIOUS the younger generation doesn't believe the crap their elders spew.

[Vickers]

36. The irony: they can't even watch "The Passion of the Christ" in the dorm

or while visiting locals or at a local theater.

Yup, that ain't a breeding ground for repression. :eyes:

[captainslack]

41. You can only watch a G rated movie

when visiting someone's house?!?!?! That's insane!!!!!!! :silly:

[lectrobyte]

82. and how would they enforce that, anyway?

[Hell in a Handbasket]

84. because jesus is allwaaays watching. nt

[MountainLaurel]

121. Reporting on other students

Just like the Nazis. :evilgrin:

[Swamp Rat]

43. Bob Jones University - Producing the lunatics of tomorrow

[WilliamPitt]

44. "All weapons must be turned in for storage."

Not "Don't bring a fucking gun to college, you jackass" but "All weapons must be turned in for storage."

Hmmmm, priorities. No movies, no TV, no video games, but we'll keep your Sigsauer in the locker here.

[onager]

47. Jesus Tech! I grew up near the place

Bob Jones is in Greenville, South Carolina, about 40 miles from where I grew up.

Now I have a lot of extremely devout kinfolks back there, ranging from mainstream Southern Baptists and Methodists to Fire-Baptized Pentecostal Holiness. (So I have naturally been an atheist ever since I escaped from them...)

Even THEY laughed about Bob Jones. One of our family nicknames for the place was "Jesus Tech."

When I was in high school, about a century ago, we took a field trip once to the art museum on the campus. Most of the art in that place could have inspired Mel Gibson's famous Jesus-Snuff movie.

The place does have a high wall and armed guards, or at least it used to.

I don't know if this story is true. But I heard that during the Sixties, Bob Jones U. tried to buy some surplus .50-caliber machine guns from the South Carolina National Guard.

The state attorney-general got the request and, not surprisingly, asked just exactly why a small Fundie college needed that kind of firepower.

The response: "To protect our white female students."

The request was denied.

[PA Democrat]

63. Why the wall and guards?

To keep the sinful world OUT, or to keep the poor inmates IN?

What do these students do when they graduate and they no longer have the Bob Jones religious police to prevent them from "sinning"? Oh, shudder the thought, they might watch a PG film!

[DaCheat]

50. As a Resident of Greenville

BJU (as it is hilariously called) also had a furniture store, which was right across the street, to change its name from "Naked Furniture Outlet" because the stuff was unfinished to "Unifinished Furniture Outlet." The term "Naked Furniture" is actually the correct name for the furniture that is unfinished.

About the security: Its got a fence, but I've yet to see many colleges without one. It lies on a pretty busy street near Haywood, and they probably don't want random people walking throughout their college grounds. Its understandable for a privite college.

A hilarious side note: People from my football team attended a meeting there, and on our our defensive linemen (big black guy) wore a shirt that was far too small that said "I kiss boys". It belonged to his sister. Anyways, he held hands with our QB as they walked to the football camp in the center of the campus. NO ONE said a word, but the teachers all scoffed. It was hiliarious.

(good art museum though)

[Sterling]

55. "but I've yet to see many colleges without one"

I have never seen one with a fence. What are you talking about? Most campuses are part of the community they are located in. I have never seen a walled or fenced in college.

[DaCheat]

58. Its small

And in the middle of (a part) of town. I find it perfectly resonable that a school should want to have a fence. Now, the electic gates are another story.

[FreedomAngel82]

65. I go to a community school

and we don't have a fence. :shrug: We're on a busy street but the main campus is more back from the entrance so there's lots of privacy for the school and everything (even though nobody lives there).

[DaCheat]

69. Meh

I knew there would be exceptions. All I am saying is that a fence isn't like a major secretive measure. I mean, its a private school, and I could understand why they wouldn't want people all over it. Then again, they have many enemies, so they probably want to watch out for them. Its ok to have a fence in my point of view. Maybe it isnt in yours, and thats fine.

[Ladyhawk]

102. I've never seen or attended a college with a fence.

:shrug:

[davepc]

104. i've seen more then one college with a fence.

[sakabatou]

61. Wow...

[DaCheat]

66. In Fact

I had an English Teacher in the eighth grade whose son went to there. She took him out on his birthday to the movies to see a PG-13 movie. They were seen by one of his teachers, and she had to HIDE the TICKETS so they wouldn't get caught. No freaking joke.

Also, he was late to get back one day, and the gates (both the walking and driving) close exactly at 9:00 (or maybe it was 10:00). Anyways, he got there late, and her family was our of town, so the school forced him to sleep outside of the gates to teach him a lesson. He could literally see his dorm room from the side gate. Go figure, way to show some of that good Christian hospitality.

[sakabatou]

85. When was this?

Around April? If then, then he should've looked for a Jewish family. Passover and all.

[mitchum]

88. I remember when they tried to installl a machine gun in the gatehouse...

back in the late 60s.
I'm nostalgic for the days when everyone in Greenville (Even merchants!) hated BJU and its students. See post 86 above for more details :)

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Good grief

I'm glad I don't go there. What a bunch of oldies!

[DaCheat]

52. The dinner was good

Thats why I went.

[spanone]

60. This must be a joke.

I wouldn't send my worst enemy into that arena let alone my child.

[Arkana]

64. Good Lord

You don't think there'll be a campus-wide revolt at one point because a select group just can't take it any more? No movies above G, no fridges, microwaves, posters, computers, whatever! My God, it makes me glad I go to school where I do!

[BreweryYardRat]

72. Scary shit...

I can think of so many ways to get around it, though.

For example, anyone else notice that it doesn't say anything about computer wallpaper on the main link?

By that logic, someone could put the scene from Alien where the chestburster makes it exit as their wallpaper, and it wouldn't technically violate the "university's" standards.

Of course, that idea presumes that fundies would even know how to set their computer wallpaper...

[youthere]

73. check out the student expectations

"Students are challenged to develop Christlikeness that is evidenced in consistent Christian character. To help each student to grow in Christlikeness, BJU has a reasonable, just, and firm disciplinary system.

Loyalty to Christ results in separated living. Dishonesty, lewdness, sensual behavior, adultery, homosexuality, sexual perversion of any kind, pornography, illegal use of drugs, and drunkenness all are clearly condemned by God's Word and prohibited here. Further, we believe that biblical principles preclude gambling, dancing, and the beverage use of alcohol."

OMG ROFLMAO

[DaCheat]

74. Wait

Didn't the Lord drink wine in his last supper?

EDIT: He freakin' made it from water!! Why can't they drink it? Re-flippin'-tarded.

[philosophie_en_rose]

124. Jesus sure didn't turn the wine into water.

But you must understand that Jesus was a hippie. And clearly not as like himself as the upstanding citizens of Bob Jones University.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

138. "...and the beverage use of alcohol."

Does that mean sherry enemas are okay?

[jazzjunkysue]

75. When do these aliens go back to the home planet of Repression?

How do these people take a sh%$, without feeling guilty?

[CTLawGuy]

76. get Bush on the phone

its time for an invasion to bring freedom to an oppressed people :)

and elections too!

[Sgent]

79. Schools with a fence

are not really that rare.

Tulane has a fence, with access only through steets. Same with Rose-Hulman Inst. Tech, Wabash, Washington U of St. Louis, and some others.

Usually the fence doesn't keep people from entering (there is no gaurd gate), but it keeps pedestrians from entering except via a street.

[kath]

98. Wash U doesn't have a fence.

It's been a few years since I've been there, and there may be a fence near the athletic fields (to be expected) but there is very free access to the campus, as there is to any other campus I have ever been on (at least 11 of 'em)

[superconnected]

80. Reminds me of a quote from trainspotting

"lord, save me from the people trying to help me"

[Blue_In_AK]

81. GOOD GRIEF!! Not even Michael W. Smith and...

...Stephen Curtis Chapman?? What in the world could be un-Christian about those two?

[theboss]

96. There's been a controversy over "Christian rock" since I was a teenager

Petra was the big name back then. And, I guess, Stryper but even Christian rock fans were pretty suspicious of Stryper.

The idea is that rock music itself is unholy and there is nothing you can do to make it holy. And - as South Park pointed out - all you really do is replace the "baby's" with "Jesus." I went to an Ohio Teens for Christ Convention in 8th or 9th Grade and one of the evening's sermons was on Christian rock and it's dangers....and then the next day, Petra performed. Weird place. Good times though.

[Blue_In_AK]

99. I actually went to see Petra up here a few years ago...

...and found the show quite fun, really. (And I'm OLD...) I'm no Christian fundamentalist, by any means (I'm Methodist and haven't been to church in years), but I admit to owning some Michael W. Smith, Stephen Curtis Chapman, and the WOW CDs. I haven't listened to them for a while, feeling a little weird about owning them given the present political climate -- but now that I see they're banned by BJU, I can feel a little better about listening to them now and then. Hahaha.....

[theboss]

119. I used to really like Petra

Granted, I was twelve. Now they sound like a weird Cross of REO Speedwagon and ELO to me. Except more Jesusy.

[Blue_In_AK]

128. LOL n/t

[MountainLaurel]

122. Smith had an affair

I'm not sure why i remember that fact (in reality, I'm quite scared that I do).

[William Bloode]

83. Damn!

We had less rules in prison! Jeebus! no wonder these folks are such sticks in the mud.

[Liberal In Texas]

87. The sad part about kids brought up this way is ...

...as soon as they don't have this repression (of their parents a school like this, etc.) around them, they go nuts.

The old adage was preacher's daughters were the easiest pickings after they got out from under old "Hell-Fire-Brimstone" daddy. It was a cliche, but pretty much true.

Of the kids that I met in my younger days that had this strict upbringing, when they got free of it, they were wilder than any of us. Sexual promiscuity, drinking, drugs. You name it.

I have two adult children who were NOT brought up in that kind of environment. They were allowed to watch R rated movies, drank alcohol as (later) teens, were not taught that sex was dirty, they decided their own destinies, read what they wanted, played any computer games they wanted to, and went to the colleges they wanted.

They are both level headed wonderful guys who have never been in trouble with the law. One works for Mission Control at NASA. The other is a chef. They made their own way in life, and have chosen their own paths, and I'm proud of them.

[William Bloode]

97. I pretty much have done the same.

I did and continue to do my best to allow my childeren to explore all sides of life for themselves. It has made being a parent so much easier, as it has allowed more honesty between us than most parents have. Hahaha sometimes i think they get mad at me because theres so little to rebel against at home lol!

[Ladyhawk]

103. A personal note: I still repress myself to a large extent.

I have trouble letting go and just having fun. (I had a seriously fundy education and upbringing.) I wish I knew how.

I feel for the poor kids at BJU. I wonder how they end up handling the repression? Some of them probably go bonkers as soon as they're free. I wonder if others continue to repress themselves? I think the emotional part of me just can't get rid of the idea of "sin." Weirdosity!

[SideshowScott]

111. WOW Love your sig pict!! Grim Fandngo was the best game ever!

Manny Calivara wow too cool!!..I play Grim Fandango agian now and agian..

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

92. I think its funny- Bob Jones University = BJ U

[driver8]

105. I guess bringing a bong would be out of the question...

Wow! That place sounds like quite a party school. What do they do for fun...watch paint dry?

[thefloyd]

106. Sure bring a bong, Students

can take a hit of the holy spirit. The website girls are not bad looking. I am really surprised the girls have on makeup.

[bdot]

107. Sounds like a school I went to.

When I was young, I went to a Christian school for 3rd-6th grade. We were not allowed to go to movies. I remember I had a Dukes of Hazzard lunch box and I had to pant over Daisy Duke's legs because legs could not be showing.
Luckily they didn't say we couldn't watch tv. ;)
Contemporary Christian was considered bad.

Now in terms of the handgun part... that is strange.

[Fescue4u]

110. Its good that they allow firearms

Students deserve the ability to protect themselves. Campus's can be some of the most dangerous places around.

But damn...as to the rest of it...What a bunch of nutjobs.

[Hell in a Handbasket]

143. but the thing is, they cant protect themselves with them...

they have to be stored with a trigger lock, i think in the cops office. either way, they're still apeshit crazy.

[fujiyama]

113. Ah well

regarding the guns, it's a good thing they keep 'em in storage.

I myself would want to shoot myself if I were living in such a bizarre repressive atmosphere.

[hollowdweller]

114. I knew some kids from the church I went to as a kid who went there. Even

though the kids were fairly religious, growing up in a fundamentalist church, they thought it was awful.

[BoogDoc7]

116. I know of...

a semi-prominent Christian radio morning guy in the St. Louis area (I think) who got booted from BJU when he pulled a prank of some sort.

Heck, I'M the resident fundie (relatively speaking), and I think this place is pretty whacked out.

And yeah, there is a dwindling Christian element that holds that rock music - the beat and everything - is of Satan. After a ton of searching, I STILL can't figure out the "no drinking" rationale they see in the Bible (though the drunkenness thing is there).

[blueknight]

117. i would LOVE to live in that town

i would be nailing ALL the jones girls:evilgrin:

[Hell in a Handbasket]

135. especially if your one of those dangerous 'minorities'. lol.

[tcoursen]

125. just curious

First of all, those restrictions are just crazy. I certainly wouldn't want to go to a place like that, nor would I ever force one of my kids to go there.

But I don't see why everybody is trashing them. It is a private university, no? So they can make whatever rules they want. Don't like 'em, don't go there.

These rules seem like something that you would expect to see at an Amish university ( well except for the gun part ). Would people here be picking on the rules for an Amish university like they are picking on these rules?

I fall into the middle on the religous issue, and I find the anti-religous people just as annoying as ultra-religous people.

[Puglover]

129. The difference is

that ultra-religous people are trying to shove their shit into my ANTI-religous government and impose laws based on their insane beliefs on me. I don't really see "anti" religous folks pulling the same bullshit.

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[tcoursen]

130. not true

Is it not true that "anti" religous folks try to get religion out of the things that the religous people believe?

Suing to get "In God We Trust" off money.

No Christmas songs in schools.

Etc. Etc.

It does go both ways. And the more one side pushes, the more extreme and silly they look. And when one side pushes, the other is going to push back. I agree that the ultra religous are overstepping with some of the things they want, like gay marriage. But they do believe in marriage, and when you push against that, is it really a shock wen the other side pushes back?

Shouldn't the proper way to handle the situation be to try and find a middle ground were both sides are happy? I don't really follow the gay marriage issue because I could care less, but it seems to me that reasonable adults should be able to sit down and discuss the matter and come up with a solution that makes both sides happy. But neither side seems to want to compromise and that is why they both seem silly to me.

[Puglover]

131. First of all

A. No Christmas songs in schools? That is a myth perpetuated by Bill O'Reilly and his freeper fans. If you have a specific example I'd love to hear it.
B. Personally I don't care about "In God We Trust" off money however the point is that the US is not a Christian nation nor did the framers ever intend for that to be the case.

[tcoursen]

134. example

My kids grammar school does not have a christmas show, they have a winter show, and it was real bad. They had kids dress up as trees and snowflakes. I didn't get it.

And in my kids class they talked about all the various religous holidays around Christmas. They talked about Chanuka ( I can't spell it ) and Kwanzaa. They actually had one of the Jewish mothers in the class come in and talk about the religion. More than just Chanuka. She even brought in some jewish food. I thought this was a good way to handle it. But they didn't talk about Christmas at all, I think because they just assumed that everybody knew about that one. Well shouldn't they talk about ALL of them if they are gonna talk about them?

The did however do Halloween, so go figure. Curious to see what, if anything, they do at Easter.

I don't care about the money either, but when one side makes it an issue, you have to expect the other side to push back with something else and cry that they are being discriminated against.

[Bridget Burke]

133. BJU is big with the Christian Reconstruction movement.

No just Fundamentalists--but religious extremists who want to make the USA into a Calvinist version of Old Testament society. The Amish could also be considered Fundamentalists but they have no interest in hijacking our country.

Bob Jones I gave honorary degrees to Lester Maddox, George Wallace, Storm Thurmond & Ian Paisley. His successors carry on the tradition--John Ashcroft was a recent honoree.

Tim & Beverly LaHaye are BJU alumni. He's famous as co-author of the "Left Behind" books. She founded Concerned Women for America to oppose the Equal Rights Amendment. The group's website is a great source for the latest fake "Christianity Under Attack" press releases being foisted upon a credulous public (& Fox News).

Many Evangelicals / Fundamentalists are more reasonable; common ground can be sought. But there's no compromise with the BJU gang. They're being ridiculed at DU! Good.

[PST]

132. oh and leave your brain at home too..

we'll do the thinking for you.

[Scooter24]

137. And the young actually consider applying there?

Hmm...you can bring a pistol, but not a PG rated movie?

[DoNotRefill]

139. Ummmm...they can bring guns....

but have to put trigger locks on them AND turn them into the police station for "storage". It's not like they can have them in their dorms...

[Hell in a Handbasket]

140. the point i was making is just that...

for christ's sake- pistol yes, michael w. smith, no??

[DoNotRefill]

141. Around here....

having a pistol and a CCW permit is a really good idea. Listening to "contemporary Christian" music isn't.

If you had a choice between being forced to listen to "contemporary Christian" music or being forced to pack heat, which is less offensive to you? Packing is a much lesser "sin" in my book...

[HCeline69]

142. Today, Bob Jones University

Tomorrow, the US.

Laugh while it's still funny...

[artemisia1]

144. Exactly!

I personally wouldn't care less what they do down their - if they didn't have an agenda to "share God's love" with the rest of us.

My niece goes to one of those Stepford schools. The academics actually are quite solid. It's the brainwashing I'm worried about.

[artemisia1]

146. Kick, because this is a glimpse of the future under RW Fundies...