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Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:45 PM
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CFIDS & 'gulf war syndrome' are Autoimmune!
Could even this CNS damage Dr Haley has found - be autoimmune?

They say the 'gulf war syndrome' vets are no more harmed than the general population, so at 28% of a 700,000 force now considered to be affected with these 'odd Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome' symptoms, that would mean 7 out of 25 Americans could be, too

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:34 PM
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1. Are there other things that can lead to autoimmune activity of this
magnitude??

I tend to think that virus are a biggie, as well as mercury and other toxins. Many people are toxic and don't know it... our first line of defense lies in the small intestine where 80% of our immune cells exist.

Many people have developed and live with extraordinary levels of intestinal permeability which allows various bacteria and other pathogens to enter the blood stream and if the protein code on their cell surfaces matches the code of a persons cartilage, you can end up with autoimmune rheumatoid arthritis for example.... it happens.
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Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:51 PM
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2. other causes?
of course,

However, I suspect that if the 2-butoxyethanol or diethylene glycol monobutyl ether were removed from use, the incidence would go down dramatically. But then, it isn't noticed for doing any harm at all.

autoimmune rheumatoid arthritis
Now, I know of sevral who have this who worked on the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup. This week I noted how knarled, disformed, and hot this woman's hands were. She said her feet were worse. She told me that her mother was diagnosed in 1997 with autoimmune hepatitis and that in Alaska at that time there were only 5 cases diagnosed, now there are 500.

I suspect SIDS as being more non-age related and starting with a chemcial exposure such as I am talking about & then going to autoimmune liver, then it shuts down, then other organs.

I suspect this chemical for the cause of pituitary brain tumors and the horrible headaches and multiple cancers

I saw a sweet baby in our town with a blood tumor on her forehead (Can't remember the name of it) People call it a 'rasberry' and the local doctor is very concerned in that baby wasn't born with it - and now it appears to be getting larger (on baby's forehead) Anchorage doctors say no big deal, that they see these all the time; leave it alone and it will disappear on its own.

One of the parents took accutane as a teen; the other was in the gulf war - so who knows? The Oct 04 Readers' Digest has an article entitled "Picture Perfect" that talks about a successful operation for a little girl with something similar

(Would taking glyconutrients in her bottle, stop some type of autoimmune thing from happening?)

I remember sweet Alex who was diagnosed wtih neuroblastoma at age one. You guessed, tumors of the nervous system and adrenal glands are right down the alley for such a chemical as 2-butoxyethanol.

Well, it's the cause of lots of things & blamed for nothing

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 03:21 PM
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3. In order for a person to have autoimmune rheumatoid arthritis
they need to have their tissues identified as "not them". The majority of these little filament thingies distributed about the cell wall are built of saccharides and proteins. There had better be enough saccharides to go around to make sure that these glycoforms are built correctly, anything less can result in bodily dysfunction... cancer, rheumatoid conditions, autoimmunity, arteriosclerosis, etc may be the result of a lack of these specific saccharides.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15170938
1: J Rheumatol. 2004 Jun;31(6):1211-7. Related Articles, Links

Antiagalactosyl IgG antibodies in juvenile idiopathic arthritis, juvenile onset Sjogren's syndrome, and healthy children.

Maeno N, Takei S, Fujikawa S, Yamada Y, Imanaka H, Hokonohara M, Kawano Y, Oda H.

Department of Bacteriology and the Department of Pediatrics, Faculty of Medicine, Kagoshima University, Kagoshima, Japan.

This can happen because specific sugars are lacking in their joint tissues....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12516572
1: Eur J Immunol. 2002 Dec;32(12):3776-84. Related Articles, Links

Glycosylation of type II collagen is of major importance for T cell tolerance and pathology in collagen-induced arthritis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12927859
1: Bioorg Med Chem. 2003 Sep 1;11(18):3981-7. Related Articles, Links

Role of the galactosyl moiety of collagen glycopeptides for T-cell stimulation in a model for rheumatoid arthritis.

Holm B, Baquer SM, Holm L, Holmdahl R, Kihlberg J.

Organic Chemistry, Department of Chemistry, Umea University, SE-901 87

Umea, Sweden.
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