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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:20 AM
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Almost 60% Americans DISAPPROVE bush's handling of Iraq.
Just over four in 10, 42 percent, said they approved of the president's handling of Iraq, while 57 percent disapproved.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050211/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll

Threat from Iraq........NONE.

http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2004nn/0410nn/041006nn.htm#036

Dead Troops........1625 (1453 US)

http://icasualties.org/oif/

Dead Iraqis........100,000+

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0%2C2763%2C1338749%2C00.html

WMD found........ZERO.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041008/news_1n8weapons.html

Iraq ties to 911........ZERO.

bush; http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1447698

rice; http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/983821/posts

rumsfailed; http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-09-16-rumsfeld-iraq-911_x.htm

Proof of Iraq ties to al Qaeda........ZERO.

rumsfailed; http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,10975887-1702,00.html

bush & bLiar; http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030131-23.html

Powell; http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3909150

bush's US Weapons Inspector Dr. David Kay;
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/06/16/bush_backs_cheney_on_assertion_linking_hussein_al_qaeda/

Senior US Officials say no evidence, never was any evidence;
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/2004/03/04/news/nation/8101079.htm

No evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda ties: 9/11 commission
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/06/cheney.911

"CIA Review Finds No Evidence Saddam Had Ties to Islamic Terrorists"
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1005-01.htm

CIA; http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0815FE3D5F0C758CDDA90994DC404482

Brent Scowcroft (R); http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002133

UK's MI5, MI6; http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=375403

UK Foreign Sec Jack Straw; http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=jack_straw

Richard Kerr, former deputy CIA director;
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?pid=800

2002 Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee;
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030723-064812-9491r

"top secret British document", quoted by the BBC;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO303D.html

Three former Bush administration officials;
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0803/080803nj2.htm

FBI; http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70D1EF83E5C0C718CDDAB0894DB404482

FBI; http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A14056-2002Oct24

Former bush official Richard Clark;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

Israeli intelligence (the Moussad)

“According to Israeli intelligence, Palestinians are still not connected to the global terror network, and neither is Iraq.”
http://www.haaretz.com /

OBL's answer as to how bush has improved al Qaeda recruiting........PRICELESS.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:23 AM
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1. Where were these people
in November 2004?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:41 AM
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5. Look at the dates of most all those articles.
They were there before Nov 2. They spoke out before Nov 2.

As did these people:

Dick Cheney in April 1991, then Defense Secretary:

If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein,you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists?

How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?

http://slate.msn.com/?id=2072479

President GHW Bush, 1998;

"Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

Brent Scowcroft, one of the Republican Party’s most respected foreign policy advisors, and national security adviser under President Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush:

Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts. "Our pre-eminent security priority--underscored repeatedly by the president--is the war on terrorism. An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken."

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/iraq_yang020815.html

Norman Schwarzkopf - Four Star General:

"The general who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War says he hasn't seen enough evidence to convince him that his old comrades Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz are correct in moving toward a new war now. He thinks U.N. inspections are still the proper course to follow. He's worried about the cockiness of the U.S. war plan, and even more by the potential human and financial costs of occupying Iraq….(And don't get him started on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld)"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan27?language=printer

Col. David Hackworth (ret), America's most highly decorated soldier:

"Should the president decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top-uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran:

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."

http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."

Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

"I'm not sure which planet they live on"

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

Republican Dissent on Iraq
Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors:


"Mr. President, …The candidate we supported in 2000 promised a more humble nation in our dealings with the world. We gave him our votes and our campaign contributions. That candidate was you. We feel betrayed. We want our money back. We want our country back…. A Billion Bitter enemies will rise out of this war."
- Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001444.html

Republicans Who Voted Against Iraq Resolution Tell Why

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

TOP REPUBLICANS BREAK WITH BUSH ON IRAQ STRATEGY

Leading Republicans from Congress, the State Department and past administrations have begun to break ranks with President Bush over his administration's high-profile planning for war with Iraq, saying the administration has neither adequately prepared for military action nor made the case that it is needed.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency:

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Retired General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command:

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Col. Mike Turner (ret), Schwarzkopf's personal briefing officer during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm:

“The uniformed Joint Staff in the Pentagon strongly opposed this plan early on...The uniformed Joint Staff was overridden, yet in so many horrifying ways this operation resembles Somalia, not Desert Storm...Perhaps we can pull this off, but here's a far worse scenario that's at least as likely...Photos of American soldiers amid landscapes of Iraqi civilian bodies blanket the world press which aligns unanimously against the US. The US is condemned by NATO and the UN...The war ends within a few weeks, but the crisis deepens...”

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2003/mar/030311.turner.html

US Air Force General, Tony McPeak, a four-star general who headed the U.S. Air Force during Operation Desert Storm:

McPeak served four years on the Joint Chiefs of Staff advising Bush’s father and then President Clinton after flying 269 Vietnam combat missions and participating in the Thunderbirds, the elite aerobatic team.

McPeak believes that President Bush should publicly admit personal failure. He claims Bush has botched the crucial process of coalition-building, has not enlisted the United Nations, and has failed to rebuild Afghanistan as a model of reconstruction.

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%3Ehttp://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%20

Republican Rep. Bereuter: War in Iraq not justified

"Knowing now what I know about the reliance on the tenuous or insufficiently corroborated intelligence used to conclude that Saddam maintained a substantial WMD (weapons of mass destruction) arsenal, I believe that launching the pre-emptive military action was not justified."

As a result of the war, he said, "our country's reputation around the world has never been lower and our alliances are weakened."

"Left unresolved for now is whether intelligence was intentionally misconstrued to justify military action," he said.

Republican Rep. Doug Bereuter is a senior member of the House International Relations Committee and vice chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2004/08/18/top_story/10053833.txt

Republican senator Chuck Hagel, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee;

"No, I don't think we're winning," Hagel told a CBS interviewer. "We're in trouble, we're in deep trouble in Iraq."

http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

Republican senator Richard Lugar, Foreign Relations Committee chairman, was asked on ABC why only $1 billion of the $18 billion appropriated last year for Iraqi reconstruction had been spent:

"Well, this is the incompetence in the administration," he replied.

http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

”We have a stronger jihadi presence in Iraq today than in March 2003,” noted Roger Cressey, the former director for Transnational Threats in Bush's National Security Council at a briefing at the libertarian Cato Institute earlier this week.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0911-01.htm

Bush close personal friend, Hilary Cleveland, president of the GOP Women for Kerry Steering Committee:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0912-06.htm

Rightwingnuts ignored the US Military top brass, they ignored the world's WMD and mideast experts, they ignored the world's intelligence agencies, they ignored the US government's Intell Committee; instead, they chose to listen & believe BUSH the WORLD'S TOP EXPERT ON WMD, IRAQ, AND THE MILITARY.

No surprise, of course, that BUSH the WORLD'S TOP EXPERT ON WMD, IRAQ, AND THE MILITARY was absolutely dead wrong on every single issue.




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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:24 AM
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2. wait...
wasn't there some bogus cnn/gallup poll this week saying how poopular the chimperor** is??
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:38 AM
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4. Yeah, I'll look for the link.
But the Gallup poll turned out to be fake because it surveyed more Repukes (I think 9%) and Independents than Dems. Gallup excused it by saying there were more Repukes than Dems and they don't have to do fair polls anyway. Nah, nah, nah, nah.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:44 AM
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6. Here is a link to the rigged Gallup poll
Here is a link to the DU topic about the rigged Gallup poll.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x323032
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:05 AM
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9. Yes, 9% difference and the media ran with the slanted numbers in
lockstep. Rove has deep pockets with taxpayer money,
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:37 AM
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3. If a large minority is passionately committed....
and the majority aren't equally committed, the large minority can, in fact, drive the process.

Junta Boy's demi-god status with his followers, and the intensity with which they want him to slay swarthy pagans in their name, gives him a political edge, even if he doesn't have the raw numbers.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:53 AM
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7. Statistics Lie, Liars Use Statistics
We're in a nation where people are scared to say what they really think...or so confused they just shut everything out. I see these people constantly and it frustrates me...since many of them voted for this regime purely on the surface and don't want to know the details.

All they know is that A-rabs attacked this country and believe all the lies and deceptions this regime has put out there every step of the way. They'd rather worry about whose the latest American Idol, Scott Peterson, Michael Jackson and things that don't involve taking a real stand...ignorance is bliss.

The Vietnam war was also very unpopular...so was both Nixon & Johnson...that didn't end the war any quicker. It wasn't until a lot of us young people..in the millions...took to the streets and they couldn't shut us up. Today I travel around college campuses and no one cares. This is someone else's war...and so what...we were attacked...never bothering to question all the 9/11 evidence or the root causes as to why 9/11 even happened.

This war isn't hurting enough Americans yet. Sadly, we haven't had enough funerals and it hasn't reached into the middle and upper classes. As usual the military preys on minorities and the poor...either enlist or face a life of desperate poverty. I sure hope it doesn't take everyone in this country knowing someone who was killed or lost a limb or had their sanity snap thanks to this invasion.

Right now too many people still think this war is "justified" or "sexy". We're back in that Vietnam trap that since we've dug in so deep, questioning how this happened and how to get out is akin to being a traitor and "UnAmerican".

I'm extremely suspect about polls...always have been. Unless you see how many people were sampled, where the survey was conducted and the question they were asked, how can you be certain these results are what they're presented to be?

Haven't we seen enough of how this regime will orchestrate news and perpetuate lies that only serve their interests. Gallup does this job very, very well.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:03 AM
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8. the elections occurred in Iraq and the killing is still going on ....
looks like some people noticed
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:25 AM
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10. Even if 99% of Americans now felt that Iraq invasion was a
mistake and that p% was for real it wouldn't matter. Most feel that since it happened for whatever reason the U.S. must stay until Iraq can defend the "new Democracy" that the Iraqis voted for until the Iraqis can defend ir themselves.

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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:58 AM
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11. I still don't understand how 42% can still support him.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:19 AM
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12. Well, you have the 30% corporations base which will support any (R)
no matter what.

And then you have 12% individuals base who support any (R) no matter what (all dwelling at freepo-fascists.com).

And that's it.

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