Condi and Carly

[paineinthearse]

First few stories via google news:

What's Next For Carly ?
Forbes - 36 minutes ago
The news that Carleton S. Fiorina, the controversial chief executive of HP (nyse: HPQ - news - people ), is leaving the Silicon Valley stalwart reverberated throughout the world of high tech.
Market glad to see Carly ship out philly.com (subscription)
HP board ousts Fiorina iT News
ABC News - Reuters India - San Francisco Chronicle - MarketWatch - all 1,099 related »

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What is with the media's (and *, come to think of it) fascination with women in power and using their first or nicnames rather than their last name or title, as they do with men?

For Secretary of State, they always referred to "Secretary Powell" or Secretary Albright. For Rice, it's "Condi".

Similarly with HP. Why "Carly" and not Ms. Fiorina?

Respect the person and the office, cut the familiarity.

[Spider Jerusalem]

1. People in America have little concept of good manners or formality.

Although I must say that NO ONE is worthy of respect merely because of the office they hold; that attitude is stupid. And if the person in the office is undeserving of respect (for instance George Bush or Condoleezza Rice) then they won't be getting any from me just because they have a title that impresses people who think authority automatically entitles one to respect. Although I won't call them by their first names; I don't know them. And I won't give them nicknames, because I find nicknames stupid. I'll refer to them by surname, sans title, or by adjectives descriptive of their personalities and lack of character.

[TheModernTerrorist]

2. I hate to burst your bubble...

uhm... Albright was also a woman... :-)

[paineinthearse]

5. She was always called MADAM SECRETARY

Clinton or the MSM dared not call her "Maddy" or even "Madeline".

[rigel99]

3. agreed...

and add a Ms. Stewart in there..

isn't it funny how guys just hate women in power and can't wait to take them down a peg.... enron/worldcom execs get off scot free or small fines, Martha goes to jail for something so stupid.... it's really pretty sick how different the legal system is for women versus men....

but I'm not all that sure Carly didn't deserve some kind of ass kicking for her tricks at Lucent... but for someone like me, love her or hate her, she's been my biggest role model for knowing that women can break the glass ceiling...until now, it seems, the glass ceiling is still very much there.....

[hector459]

4. With a $20 million severence, do you think Carly gives a damn?

What the hell did she do anyway to earn that kind of money and a severence package like that? What the hell do any CEOs do to earn that kind of money? They certainly don't "work" for it unless you consider traveling and giving speeches "work."

[rigel99]

6. THEY EARN it...

they are paid criminals and spend full time covering their trail.
Sitting in on consultant meetings about accounts created overseas to hide the lost profits, this is very very hard work.

Friend of mine just got canned from a large company, and she lives in a million dollar house...woops.. no more mortgage time.. these folks are in debt so far up to their butts, Carly will soon be missing her paycheck, but you're right 20M will heal her wounds.. I give her about 6 months to blow thru that... you'd be surprised how much yachts and helicopters and winter homes and vacations cost...

this crowd is a marked beast.. Dean is in as DNC chair and he will not tolerate corporate interests... All I can say, is that CEOs are going to get a 'market correction' on their salaries over the next few years....

[Retrograde]

7. H-P tradition

the late founders of Hewlett Packard were (and still are) referred to as Bill and Dave. Part of it is the informality of the engineering culture: it's common in Silicon Valley to refer to the CEO by first name.

wrt Albright, I think part of her success was due to reminding everyone of their grandmother: you just do not dis Grannie, or call her by her first name!