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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:35 PM
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Rumsfeld up, press conference
yada, yada, yada....not taking questions yet.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:36 PM
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1. is his finger dyed?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:38 PM
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3. i can't tell cause it's up his ass.
Freedomfreedomfreedomfreedom.....so far
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:37 PM
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2. They seem to already know that in the long run the bump
Bush gets or has gotten from the Iraqi elections isn't much, and so they need to hype it as much as they can.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:39 PM
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4. Talking about the gold star mom hugging the iraqi exile now
of course no mention that she is an exile but we should be real proud of that moment.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:40 PM
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5. I predict he'll use the word "breathtaking"
or some form of it, to describe the election.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:41 PM
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6. being questioned about the general that said killin folk was fun
and the response is........all of us leaders are supposed to provide the right example, i wasn't there but the last 3 times that general has been in combat clearly show that he understand the value of proper leadership.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:43 PM
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7. Rumsfeld has been feeling the heat from Stripes letters
Edited on Thu Feb-03-05 02:54 PM by lebkuchen
wondering when Rummy is going to be held responsible for Abu Ghraib and Gitmo.

As his defense, he wrote his own letter, published today (the one following his letter is better, however, also printed today):

In vote, Iraqis chose freedom

To U.S. servicemembers:

On Jan. 30 in Iraq, the world witnessed an important moment in the global struggle against tyranny, a moment that historians might one day call a major turning point. America’s men and women in uniform, who were instrumental in the liberation of Iraq, were there to witness this moment as well.

During the struggle to bring freedom to Iraq, many of you have faced difficult times far from home. I suspect there have been moments along the way when some of you may have wondered whether the effort would be worth the cost, or whether, even, the people you were trying to help truly stood with you.

Last Sunday, the Iraqi people answered those understandable questions in a resounding way — just as voters had in Afghanistan in October. The world is experiencing a global struggle between freedom and fear — and you are on the side of freedom. That’s the side to be on. And the people of Afghanistan, and now the people of Iraq, have chosen to stand with you.

Consider the courage it took for the Iraqi people to go to the polls when they had been warned that the act of voting could cost them and their family members their lives. Think of the determination they must have possessed to risk becoming targets for bombings or beheadings.

And yet the Iraqis voted, millions of them.

Voters arrived on crutches and donkey carts, passing by graffiti warnings on the walls that said: “You vote, you die.”
Iraqis came to a polling station to vote even after a rocket attack had killed three people several hours earlier.
Children waved Iraqi flags as they witnessed the birth of their new free system.
Elderly women with tears in their eyes held up their voting cards.
And voters displayed their ink-stained fingers as badges of honor in the fight against extremism.
Iraq’s security forces also deserve recognition for their bravery and their willingness, despite the threats, to wear their country’s uniforms and to provide security on Sunday for both the millions of voters and the thousands of election workers.

These are times of consequence. In the past few months, 50 million free people in Afghanistan and Iraq have begun to build new futures. They have rejected the extremism that fuels attacks on civilized people. And you have made that possible. Have no doubt: The courage and sacrifices of U.S. forces have helped to create the environment in which Afghans and Iraqis are developing the ability to take hold of their countries.

Now these free people continue to seek your help in building free, democratic and peaceful nations in some of the world’s most violent regions. No one treasures peace more than you who have endured the horrors of war.

So to all of you who are serving on freedom’s front lines, and to your families, I offer my deepest appreciation and respect. To those who have lost friends or loved ones during this conflict or who have been injured in defense of our freedom, find comfort in knowing that your sacrifices have historic meaning. And know that one day, the people of Iraq and Afghanistan will find a way to thank you, as I do, from the bottom of my heart.

May God bless you and may God bless the United States.

Donald Rumsfeld
Secretary of defense
Arlington, Va.



Questioning Gonzales justified

The writer of the letter “Politics drives retired brass?” (Jan. 28) doesn’t address the disturbing issues stated in the retired officers’ Jan. 25 letter about the nomination of Albert Gonzales as attorney general (“Gonzales not right fit for GIs”). Those writers outlined some disturbing actions by Gonzales promoting torture and extended detentions without due process for the detainees (some who may well be innocent of any crime).

The writer asks: “Are enemy combatants without uniforms, murdering indigenous people and soldiers, not representing an anarchist country, and thus not covered by the Geneva Conventions?”

What does this have to do with promoting a U.S. policy of torture and extended detentions? Who does get justice?

The writer asks if the retired officers served in combat. What does that have to do with concern about promoting torture and extended detentions without due process?

The writer asks whether the officers are speaking for the majority or a select few. What does that have to do with questioning a policy that promotes torture and extended detentions? Do we now need a consensus to voice a concern? Are the officers politically motivated? Aren’t we all?

But when a person’s actions are disturbing and he is to be appointed to an office of high visibility and responsibility representing us, shouldn’t we question those actions and how they might reflect on future decisions representing us? Elected and appointed officials are not gods or kings. They work for “We the people.” And “We the people” should hold them accountable for their actions.

Gordon Uscier
Würzburg, Germany

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=26944
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:43 PM
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8. Rumsfeld just ducked the question
"you hear General so and so here, i'll let his answer stand.
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monobrau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:46 PM
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9. The viet cong is on the run
Sorry, wrong war.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:47 PM
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11. he's all animated now talking about how the insurgents
are runnin scared!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:48 PM
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12. Purple fingers vs. IED's
Meaningless election PR stunt vs. Beheadings
Incompetent American puppet government vs. Insurgents

Clash of the Titans
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:54 PM
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13. speaking of PR...
Edited on Thu Feb-03-05 02:54 PM by Cocoa
I wonder if we'll someday find out which PR firm came up with the idea for the purple fingers.

Just like those stupid playing cards, I bet the purple fingers are more for being seen on TV than for any practical purpose.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 03:00 PM
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14. And the woman last night with the hug
It happened in 91 with the incubators.

This is the kind of propaganda I want. This is the stuff I'm impressed with. I want more of those moments. I can't get enough of it. Lets get PR firms to really get this country in a war state of mind. They need to make these elections look as real as possible. They don't spend billions of dollars a year on advertising without getting good at it. I want more.

Propagandize me! I embrace the neocons now. They're so goddamn crazy, I want more. Why haven't they started the war with Iran? It's already Feb. 3rd!
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:46 PM
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10. I wouldn't want
anyone else to use propaganda on us. I wouldn't want anyone else driving the planet into some corporate dreamworld.

If he is for democracy in Iraq, then it cannot be democracy in Iraq. I don't give a damn what they put on their fingers. Rumsfeld is not their friend.

Take me with you to hell Rumsfeld, take me with you. You too Pace, can't forget about you. Always nice to have a man in uniform to make the propaganda crystal clear.

Go sell some more nuclear technology to North Korea Don. Make some more personal strike forces so that you can go around the world taking people out. Come on Rumsfeld, impress me. I want to see how goddamn cruel you can truly be. The world is your stage. Show me something. Keep telling me Iraq had a free and fair election. I have to buy what you're selling one of these days. You'll break through. Come on O'Brien...I mean Rumsfeld.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 03:04 PM
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15. numbers are just numbers???? wtf
Can this man just say one thing straight out?? Guess not when you are squirming like he is...

What a bunch of BS...:grr:

also major squirming when asked about "war crimes tribunal" too....
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 03:05 PM
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16. 139,000 iraqis fully trained and equipped?
yet our own soldiers arent properly equipped. "you go to war with the army you have"

What is wrong here?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 03:08 PM
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17. were the 12 Iraqi troops executed today "properly equipped"
or equipped at all?

The 50 that were executed a few weeks ago were unarmed.
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