Is it time to SEPARATE usa into 2 COUNTRIES,blue half and red half?

[mirror]

This is a very difficult choice for america i understand that,but if it were to happen it would surely bring freedom and democracy back to america.Also the new formed blue country would be less likely and to smart to start wars and red country to poor to start wars. anybody agree?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. No

because the country isn't really that divided. There are sizable numbers of liberals in 'red' states, and the percentage by which Bush won many of his states was small. An article on another thread here said that there were only 21 states solidly in the Bush camp this last election, far fewer than there were for Reagan or BushI.

[Bridget Burke]

2. No. This is not a new suggestion here.

Look at some REAL maps from Election 2004 & don't buy into the divisive propaganda:

www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/

Where would you draw the border?

Edited to add: Your profile says "ENGLAND"--why don't you draw some more borders through your remaining Empire rather than making suggestions for the USA?

[SouthernDem2004]

4. Nice map, thank you.

[LynnTheDem]

5. Ouch! That's harsh!

Only Americans may offer comments and suggestions regarding America?

That is so not like you, Bridget! Now who's put you into a bad mood this AM and I'll go kick him/it in the balls. :D

[Bridget Burke]

10. Yes, a bit harsh.

I just get tired of these "divide the country" suggestions.

Partition rarely solves problems.

[LynnTheDem]

13. Can we do what Mann Coulter keeps calling for???

Round up and jail all rethugs? :D

(S/he calls for libruls to be killed, but otherwise it's the same plan) :D

[Bridget Burke]

16. No, prisons are bad enough as they are....

Of course, we could make room for them by releasing the pot smokers.

[LynnTheDem]

19. Works for me.

I don't smoke pot myself, but I don't see why those who do are in prison...and there are so many more deserving. :D

[Hippo_Tron]

23. And how about putting drug addicts in treatment programs and not prisons

Seems sensible to me. But oh wait! Then people couldn't profit off of the prison industrial complex. Silly me.

[sweetheart]

27. Or EVEN leaving drugs users alone to choose for themselves

Maybe we smoke cannabis cuz we like it, and are not causing any
problems whatsoever by chillin' with some grass, good music, fine
company and a good meal.

Sounds like the addicts are those who keep tryin' ta fix what ain't
broken.

[Hippo_Tron]

29. Well yea I like yer plan better...

Marajuana should be legalized. I don't really see the Harm in decriminalizing other illegal drugs (considering that you can get the same crap with a perscription) but I don't think that it should be legally sold in stores.

[gorbal]

17. peopel are already building a country within our country

http://alterinfra.blogspot.com/

People are already hard at work at quiet subversion.

[demnan]

3. My precinct in my red state

went blue

[Wright Patman]

6. Actually, the time to do this

was in that period from 1861 to 1865 when the British empire did in fact come to the aid of the Confederacy in trying to make sure no one huge country formed on the middle of the North American continent.

It is too bad the effort didn't succeed. I would now live in a very backward and benighted country called the CSA, but it would be so poor that it would barely be able to defend its own borders, much less project imperial power of its own.

In exchange for the eradication of slavery and states' rights, we all now must live 140 years later with perpetual war abroad and a police state at home, followed perhaps by nuclear annihilation and extinctino.

[bdot]

7. not unless...

Not unless you make NC a neutral state. I don't want my state stuck in either catagory.

[Ian David]

9. I'd rather have two countries and let people emigrate between them

I have nothing against the actual citizens of the fly-over states.

I just object to their locally elected officials ruining the rest of the country.

If we had an America and a Jesusland, people would be free to live in whichever country suits them.

Or maybe we need a third house of congress elected as a kind of Parliament?

[Rockholm]

8. No.

[Donailin]

11. All I know is

I'm so happy I live in a decidedly blue state after twenty years in a red one.

[zanana]

12. Er...

Hasn't that been tried before?

[Bridget Burke]

15. Yes.

It didn't work out.

[Yupster]

25. We can all read about General Delay's

March to the Sea and how he made Berkeley Howl.

No thanks.

In 1860 it was unknown whether secession was legal or not. Now it's been settled. It's illegal.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. It would be good for the Blue States and the rest of the world.

Not so hot for the backward red states and the inmates thereof.

[davidinalameda]

18. they can emigrate

and I'm sure there would be some blue state residents moving as well

[knight_of_the_star]

20. One BIG problem with that

Thanks to Mann Coulter and Flush Limpdick that would be an open invitation for the red state country to come after us.

[Melynn]

21. No. Didn't a lot of red states go for Clinton

It seems to be that Clinton won what is now called the "red states". So don't give up hope on that part of the country.

It seems to be that this red state/blue state thing is just a Bush ploy to divide the country. Divide and conquer is the only way the Bush administration can win.

[Hippo_Tron]

24. The entire country except Minnesota and DC was red in 1984

These things do change. Although apparently the idea of red states and blue states is a phenomenon that started after the 2000 election when CNN just started labeling them those colors. I'm not sure that I agree with that analysis because certain regions of the country have voted together in many elections.

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. This whole red state and blue state seccession thing is a bunch of crap

Even the states are divided:

[slay]

26. I wish it were that simple

I would love to split from the brainwashed republican peeps, but we really need to try to fix this BushCo problem if at all possible.

[sweetheart]

28. I'm sure the tories have a similar idea

Have you looked at a british electoral map? If the same was done in
britain, all the cities would be "labour" and all the open land of the
most of england would be tory land.

That said, i can see your thinking in terms of how britain has devoled
wales, and scotland, effectively allowing significant devolution of
education and minor powers... perhaps you're thinking more of how
ireland was once part of the british empire... and broke off without
violence. :eyes:

mirror mirror... oh dear. You have all the diplomatic skills of a bush
republican.... might you be a bit more thoughtful please, rather than
stirring up trouble with ignorance.

I have 2 book recommendations for you, so you are better equipped to
start threads across the atlantic without coming across like an ass.

will hutton: "the world we're in"
Chalmers Johnson: "The sorrows of empire"

Anyone else at DU have any book recommendations for mirror?

The only way to fix what is going on in the USA, is for the entire
system to crash. Empires do not renew without crashing. History
teaches us, and despite my private wish that a pheonix might rise
out of this morass, the danger is too great. The world is threatened
and in peril from a deeply militarist imperial culture bent on global
domination, and the only way is to cut it off by dumping the dollar.

This is the least damaging way to cut back on the problem, as the
spending power for foreign wars and influence will cut back, and with
that humility will be gained, with every downward tick of the buck.
The only other alternative is a world war, and an armed overthrow
of the GOP-nazis... something that will cost 100 million lives at the
very least and, at the end of it, leave all the countries who were
not involved in the war, the victors, much as how world war 2
destroyed the empires of europe, leaving the US the only western
nation standing. This next war could leave australia, malaysia and
chile as our new world leaders.... to be avoided.... dump the dollar.

You might think, "pot meet kettle, sweetheart" as i write
transatlantic as well, however, i voted in this last poll, and
retain my franchise, along with the 1040 form sitting on my desk
to pay the fikking bills for this bankrupt mess. Until i don't get
any more of those forms in the mail, i'll complain loudly about the
rotten government example being set in washington, and as britain
really is, as you know, a tail, being wagged by the dog in washington,
it is the least i can do for my british friends to complain, as
they've less franchise, and draw the poison you've drawn in this
thread with people complaining that you should mind your own
business.

[MI Cherie]

30. Which half?

http://www.pascal.com/diary/archives/000232.php