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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:24 PM
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Evolution responsible for 135 million deaths?!?

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/2/12005e.asp

Every once in a while I wish I could live like this guy - in blissful ignorance. A life where cognitive dissonance is soothing and natural.

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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:27 PM
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1. I saw that
really don't understand WTF he was talking about
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:35 PM
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5. What he's talking about:
Edited on Wed Feb-02-05 12:36 PM by JHB
To these guy's (so-called) thinking, evolution is a root cause of every pernicious ideology (or anything else they hate) of the last century, so everyone who died in WW2, all the victims of Facist regimes (except the ones they liked), all the victims of communist regimes (i.e., all the mass deaths under Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.), all abortions, etc. are added up to get that ridiculous number.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 03:35 PM
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16. Neither does he
Flew (whose name the article can't even spell) has said he may accept the idea of artificial creation of the first life form. However, his thoughts on that are getting fairly ropey:

"My one and only piece of relevant evidence (for an Aristotelian God) is the apparent impossibility of providing a naturalistic theory of the origin from DNA of the first reproducing species ... (In fact) the only reason which I have for beginning to think of believing in a First Cause god is the impossibility of providing a naturalistic account of the origin of the first reproducing organisms.
...
If and insofar as it is supposed to prove the existence of a First Cause of the Big Bang, I have no objection, but this is not at all the same as a proof of the existence of a spirit and all the rest of Richard Swinburne's definition of 'God' which is presently accepted as standard throughout the English speaking and philosophical world." (19th October 2004)

...

"I now realize that I have made a fool of myself by believing that there were no presentable theories of the development of inanimate matter up to the first living creature capable of reproduction." (29th December 2004)

He blames his error on being "misled" by Richard Dawkins because Dawkins "has never been reported as referring to any promising work on the production of a theory of the development of living matter," even though this is false (e.g., Richard Dawkins and L. D. Hurst, "Evolutionary Chemistry: Life in a Test Tube," Nature 357: pp. 198-199, 21 May 1992) and hardly relevant: it was Flew's responsibility to check the state of the field (there are several books by actual protobiologists published in just the last five years), rather than wait for the chance possibility that one particular evolutionist would write on the subject. Now that he has done what he was supposed to do in the first place, he has retracted his false statement about the current state of protobiological science.
...
Despite all this, Flew has not retracted his belief in God, as far as I can tell. But in response to theists citing him in their favor, Flew strangely calls his "recent very modest defection from my previous unbelief" a "more radical form of unbelief," and implies that the concept of God might actually be self-refuting, for "surely there is material here for a new and more fundamental challenge to the very conception of God as an omnipotent spirit," but, Flew says, "I am just too old at the age of nearly 82 to initiate and conduct a major and super radical controversy about the conceivability of the putative concept of God as a spirit."

http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=369


Flew never denied evolution in any form - he had doubts about the initial abiogenesis, which seemed to spring from not knowing the latest thinking in biochemistry. And Kennedy is lying when he says there's no scierntific evidence for evolution (which makes me doubt his status as a Christian) and thinks evolution is 'communistic', which makes me doubt his IQ is above 90.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:27 PM
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2. LOL
You'll notice that no citations are given, just "statistics" pulled out of his ass....
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:31 PM
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14. There's No Logical Connections Either
The isolated statistics you identified are also used to draw a conclusion without any indication as to how one leads to another. Thisis a case of having one's mind made up, then finding some facts that support, out of context, the pre-existing opinion.

This makes absolutely no logical sense, even if the stats are completely valid and citable.
The Professor
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:28 PM
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3. Creationism/ID is Shaygitz Science Run Amok
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:31 PM
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4. He seems to be equating evolution with Communism
That's where he's getting the '135 million deaths' from. He's apparently counting everyone who died in the Soviet Union from 1917 on. Of course, that includes a world war or two, but that was apparently evolution's fault, too.

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:36 PM
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7. Hey, that pic reminds me of a quote I read somewhere...
"I'd like to see things from your point of view, but I can't get my head up my ass."

Who said that?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:36 PM
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6. The guy is full of shit, Christian wars since the time of the first...
...pope of Rome through WWII and now the neo-conservative Christian right pushing eugenics and genocide all around the globe have been responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths during the past two thousand years. More distraction from the truth. Wherever these people point their fingers, remember, there are three fingers pointing right back at them!
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:25 PM
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13. D. James Kennedy lies on a regular basis......
on his Coral Ridge Hour which is little more than him propagandizing to his sheep in the audience and whoever will watch on TV (which includes me on occasion cause i like to laugh) He is a dominionist who constantly spews the bullshit about America being a "Christian Nation" and evolution being a lie as well as railing against abortion, Gays and anything else that doesn't fit his parochial mindset. This man would like nothing better than to have all of us under old testament law, IE; stoning adulterers etc. He is so full of shit his eyes are brown and he is, unfortunately, LISTENED TO!!!!! by some in power. He is involved with an organization that gives "Christian Statesman of the Year" awards to members of Congress. A recent recipient was Tom Delay, if i am not mistaken. Of course, the main qualifying characteristic one must have to be considered for this dubious honor is to be a fundamentalist nutcase that lacks critical thinking skills on matters supernatural.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:38 PM
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8. Evolution
Is responsible for all deaths.

To live we evolve to evolve we die.

It is so obvious.

180
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:40 PM
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9. So another example of arrogant ignorance.
I see there is no way to contact this "reporter".
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:49 PM
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10. Not sure it would do any good. This one is a goner.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:51 PM
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11. "Communistic Evolution"?.........
Hoo Boy!:eyes: :silly: :crazy: :shrug:
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NormanConquest Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:59 PM
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12. Kind of ironic...
The USSR and Lysenkoism--biology subservient to ideology--is a lot closer to this guy's notion of "science".

And I see it's yet another RW "doctor" who likes to flaunt his credentials at every opportunity.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:32 PM
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15. Meanwhile God has murdered untold billions of people


He is directly responsible for the deaths of every single person who ever lived on the planet. He let them die!



Holy crap these people are insane.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 03:51 PM
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17. Catch that bit about secular handwringing
over the size of the universe? How us heathens allay our feelings of insignificance by "elevating" our importance?

Nothing is so stuffed with the hubris of human primacy as fundie religion.

As usual, the rightwing tries to cover its own sins by directing the charge outwards. Bastards.
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