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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:12 AM
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Someone Explain "MSM" To Me...
... maybe I just don't get it. It sounds a little kooky and tinfoilhat-ish. Is there something I'm missing? As cynical as I am, could it be that I'm not cynical enough? Should I stop rolling my eyes every time I see someone using the new meme-of-the-month. Is it just the cool thing do do, or is there really an "MSM" monolith?

Is "MSM" a league of super-villain reporters? Is there a big "MSM" meeting at noon every day to determine what news stories are important? Is there some sort of conspiracy between news agencies. Are they all in collusion with the White House?

Who exactly IS included in "MSM"? Are we fighting "MSM"? Do we only trust non "MSM" sources? What makes a news organization "MSM"?



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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:13 AM
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1. Main Stream Media
Faux Snooze, MSRNC, the Conservative News Network et al.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:15 AM
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2. Since nearly all the TV/Radio sources are Bush shills
it's just a neat little package to wrap them in
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:16 AM
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3. How else is Vera Carp and the Smut Snatchers going to get the news?
AFAIK, MSM is the newest meme on the Internet, IIRC.

OTOH IMHO, seeing your avator really leaves me ROTFLMAO.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:16 AM
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4. Main Stream Media is the Military Industrial Complex of journalism
no :tinfoilhat: required.

It's a well known fact that companies like NewsCorp and Faux are run by rethugs who are tickled pink that the Boy King is in office. Given that these outlets no longer actually report news is evidence aplenty, IMO.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:20 AM
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8. Government-corporate-media complex.
That's what i have been calling it (this week)....
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:40 AM
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16. that's an accurate label, too
they're all in bed together, as the old saying goes.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:04 AM
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21. Sounds like textbook fascism. nt
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:17 AM
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5. People use it ...
when something someone wants to hear in the media either isn't reported or not reported the way they expected/wanted it.

Freepers use it too, so I consider it a blanket blame.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:18 AM
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6. Government-corporate-media complex.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:18 AM
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7. It's a big percentage of mind control too.
You can take that to the bank.
:tinfoilhat:
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:24 AM
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9. I dunno
I've heard conservatives say and continue to say that the main-stream media is liberal and is the mouthpiece for the Democratic Party and liberals for years and years now. It's only been within the last 2 or 3 years I've heard liberals say the media is RW.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:34 AM
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12. Conservatives say a lot of things which are completely untrue.
Media Corporations, which are owned by the rich and powerful, always serve the interests of the rich and powerful. How could it possibly be any other way?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:34 AM
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13. you've ALSO beeen hearing that from
CNN, NBC, FOX etc
that should tell you something. The big RW PR push about the "liberal media" started when the powers that be watched honest reporters chase Nixon out of the whitehouse..

It has always pretty much a misnomer....
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:43 AM
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18. I've been saying it for 20 years now
ever since broadcast news stations started trying to compete with tabloid shows like Hard Copy, which set the stage for all of this.

This would have been back when I was in college, and it was fairly well known (amongst the people I ran with) that CNN, Headline News, etc really weren't about 'news' at all, but rather maintaining the status quo.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:27 AM
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10. MSM alweays makes me think of Madison Square Garden
nt
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:42 AM
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17. At First Glance, I Usually See "MSN"...
:eyes:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:29 AM
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11. Noam Chomsky Explains the MSM, it's POWER and ELITIST agenda very well
Media Control

Noam Chomsky
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, March 17, 1991

Early History of Propaganda

... established a government propaganda commission, called the Creel Commission, which succeeded, within six months, in turning a pacifist population into a hysterical, war-mongering population which wanted to destroy everything German, tear the Germans limb from limb, go to war and save the world.

That was a major achievement, and it led to a further achievement. Right at that time and after the war the same techniques were used to whip up a hysterical Red Scare, as it was called, which succeeded pretty much in destroying unions and eliminating such dangerous problems as freedom of the press and freedom of political thought. There was very strong support from the media, from the business establishment, which in fact organized, pushed much of this work, and it was in general a great success.

Among those who participated actively and enthusiastically were the progressive intellectuals, people of the John Dewey circle, who took great pride, as you can see from their own writings at the time, in having shown that what they called the "more intelligent members of the community," namely themselves, were able to drive a reluctant population into a war by terrifying them and eliciting jingoist fanaticism. The means that were used were extensive. For example, there was a good deal of fabrication of atrocities by the Huns, Belgian babies with their arms torn off, all sorts of awful things that you still read in history books. They were all invented by the British propaganda ministry, whose own committment at the time, as they put it in their secret deliberations, was "to control the thought of the world." But more crucially they wanted to control the thought of the more intelligent members of the community in the U.S., who would then disseminate the propaganda that they were concocting and convert the pacifist country to wartime hysteria. That worked. It worked very well. And it taught a lesson: State propaganda, when supported by the educated classes and when no deviation is permitted from it, can have a big effect. It was a lesson learned by Hitler and many others, and it has been pursued to this day.

more...
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/talks/9103-media-control.html




must see...

Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media
A film about the noted American linguist/political dissident and his warning about corporate media's role in modern propaganda.

more...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104810/


right now 5 corp control all the MSM and is responsible for the nonsense we now see in news and is why i canceled it and am better informed and relaxed because of it.

peace
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:38 AM
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14. Maybe a little historical perspective will help
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 10:40 AM by HamdenRice
I'm not sure how old you are, but the emergence of the MSM as a force for corporate and republican propaganda is pretty recent and dramatic, but you have to be about 35 to remember the media before it became the MSM.

Before the 1980s, most media companies were of modest size and independent. The Federal Communications Commission had stringent rules against "cross ownership" in the media. That meant that newspaper chains were only allowed to own a few papers, and not more than one in any market. CBS, NBC and ABC were all independent corporations. CBS was basically a family owned company, owned by the Paley family, for example. CNN was owned basically by one guy, the so called "mouth fro the south" Ted Turner. Even the networks were not allowed to own more than 5 TV stations -- the remainder were independent companies that "affiliated" with the networks by buying programs from them, but retained independent news departments and ownership structures. Most radio stations were independently owned, with local DJs programming the music at the station. Moreover, the FCC enforced the "fairness doctrine" that required TV stations when they presented one partisan view of a topic to give the opposing view. The entire federal regulatory structure of communciations was designed to keep media independent, competitive and fair.

Journalists tended to be skeptical, rather badly paid, working class, highly unionized, empirical, outsiders -- and generally just because of their circumstances a bit liberal. That's why they generally were on the progressive side of the civil rights movement, the Vietnam War, and the Nixon impeachment. This is why they also got the reputation for being "liberal media" -- but that was years ago.

In the 1980s, the Reagan administration deregulated communications. The TV networks were purchased by bigger corporations. Gigantic corporations purchased the networks, newspaper chains and radio stations. Media cross ownership was now hailed as "synergy". For example, over time, Time magazines purchased Warner Brothers pictures, and merged with Turners CNN and then was purchased by AOL. NBC was purchased by General Electric, and became very conservative and pro military -- perhaps because GE was one of the biggest military contractors in the world. ABC was came to be owned by Capital Cities (founded by CIA director Bill Casey) and Disney which depends on Florida Governor Jeb Bush for favorable tax and environmental regulation.

Top journalists became highly paid millionaires themselves, with interests aligned with their business bosses.

Oddly enough, the first person to really go after these changes in public was David Letterman, who had the Late Night show on NBC. When NBC was purchased by General Electric, he would night after night make fun of GE, daring them to intervene with editorial content. Eventually they did, and he had to beg forgiveness. But up until then, corporate interference with the media seemed unthinkable.

Today media are owned by large chains of corporations. It is not that they have a secret meeting. It's that they have very serious economic interests -- not so much with the Republicans of Democrats, specifically, but with government contracts, and therefore staying on the side of whoever is in power and promoting corporate economic interests in general.

The exception is Fox, which is actually tightly linked to the Republican Party. The News division was founded and is run by Ronald Reagan's and Bush I's chief political advisor, Roger Ailes. As has been amply demonstrated by other sources, the White House's Karl Rove literally faxes talking points to Fox each morning, which are promoted as propaganda each day.

So that is what MSM is.

Some outlets remain a bit independent. Oddly enough, the NY Times remains essentially a family owned paper, which is why it has not succombed to the same extent to corporatized propaganda.

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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:40 AM
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15. Bill Moyers explains it for you here...
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:51 AM
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19. it was a great TV show.
Mary, Murray, Lou Grant, oh, wait, that's MTM. Oops, sorry.


Seriously, I think of it as shorthand for the corporate-owned media, the major networks, the Cable News (CNN, Faux, MSGOP), and the major newspapers such as the Post and the NYT. I think they have a heard mentality, especially after reading the Daily Howler. oye. No conspiracy, just lazyness in using the "conventional wisdom" they hear from each other to report.

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:35 AM
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22. yeah, it's just 'lazyness' that explains it...
you definately need to read chomsky/parenti/zinn for starters ;->

peace
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:58 AM
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20. No noon meetings....
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 10:58 AM by BiggJawn
But PLENTY of faxes from Karl Rove every morning, with updates later in the day...

It's sickening. just when I thought National Propaganda Radio couldn't sink any lower, they start running features on the build-up to King George's coronation that pursue angles more suited to "The 700 Klub"...
:puke:
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:10 PM
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23. MainStream Media is too vague and innocuous. Corporate Media...
...Says it all. What it is, who it's for, what it does.

Let's call it what it IS, not what it masquerades as.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:11 PM
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24. MSM...
Refers to the fact that over 90% of the American Media
is owned by... Six people.

And it will say... What they WANT it to say.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:16 PM
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25. Miami Sound Machine
Gloria Estefan controls the entire U.S. media cartel on behalf of a shadowy Cuban exile group that is preparing for a second Bay of Pigs. :tinfoilhat:

</sarcasm>
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