"In private, Baker is scathing about the current occupant of the WH"

[BurtWorm]

...people who have spoken with him have recently related to me. Now the one indispensable creator of the Bush family political fortunes is repudiated."

Sidney Blumenthal in Salon.com

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2004/12/30/neocons/


Gods damn you, James Baker III. Gods damn you to hell for all eternity.

[JHB]

1. dupe

see
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2882932

[Florida_Geek]

2. James Baker III won Florida for *

and now * pisses on him. The man is crazy.

[BurtWorm]

3. Baker's only getting what he deserves

A mouth full of Bush piss.

[BrklynLiberal]

7. I Agree 100 %! No pity for him!!!

[amber dog democrat]

10. Now whos'e a clever lad ?

I can only hope he is sidelined even more than he is now - and that he will have years to reflect on the results if his machinations - for which the whold world will suffer.

Bastard, pure and simple. I only hope the Bush Gotterdamerung ( sp ) comes soon.

[Sweet Freedom]

29. Ewwwww!!!

The imagery!

[mitchum]

32. Beautifully said, Burt!

:)

[Zuni]

4. Serves Baker right

Baker is a hell of a lot smarter than Bush, but he did the devils work and he helped us get into this mess

[lancdem]

6. I agree

Bush does that to his friends all the time. Baker has no one to blame but himself.

[StClone]

11. Nads

Apparenetly Bush world is built on gonad power. Baker is smarter than bush, hell a lot of people are. But there sits Junior a top the crumbling world because he's got bigger nads (and may be a sidekick from hell called Rove).

[joeybee12]

5. Phuck all Repukes like Baker--they may hate Bush but will they expose him?

No, because it's all about power, and as long as Dumbo is in the White House, Repukes have power, and they love that more than honesty, morality, or character.

And phuck you too, John McCain!

[bo44]

20. nailed the point home this joeybee12

I cannot agree with you more. Motherfuck the sellouts. Taking power and cash over what is best for all of us. Fuck 'em all.

[gratuitous]

8. Oh boo freakin' hoo, Mr. Baker

I'm sure you're just hurtin' for certain. Come on down to my church, and meet some of the newly homeless you created with your boy George. Find out what a real problem is, instead of fake ones like finding a good manicurist or making sure the haberdasher is sewing the seams on your tailored suits straight.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

9. Let's publicize the "Blackwill incident"

"Rice... wanted to appoint as deputy her old friend Robert Blackwill, whom she had put in charge of Iraq at the NSC. But Blackwill, a mercurial personality with a volcanic temper, allegedly physically assaulted a female U.S. Foreign Service officer in Kuwait and was forced to resign in November. Secretary of State Colin Powell and his deputy Richard Armitage assembled the evidence against Blackwill and presented it to Rice. "Condi only dismissed him after Powell and Armitage threatened to go public," a State Department source close to Powell told me."

This would be a great "scandal" to help set the tone for the 2nd term of the maladministration. Let's give it lots of press!

[Pirate Smile]

13. Anything goes with Condi, I guess. What a humanitarian! The world

is going to love our State Department under her.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

15. It's not about Condi so much as the "values" of this crowd

Let's give this story some press. The idea that there was inappropriate behavior by one of their men- and maybe there wasn't and Powell just blew it up out of proportion?
This story needs to see daylight!

[Pirate Smile]

22. I remember seeing this story in the newspapers a while ago.

These guys are so friggin dangerous. (I read the entire article after your response to my first post)

I wonder how many new books we are going to get in the next four years like Paul O'Neal and Richard Clarke.

We have got to get the Senate back in 2006 to investigate these a$$holes. Unrealistic? God, I hope not but probably.

[saltpoint]

12. Baker is the ultimate fixer.

It's real hard to work up a froth of sympathy for his indignation over the current White House resident.

Yo Jim: if you CHOOSE Bush, you GET Bush.

[seemslikeadream]

21. bin Abdul Aziz

and his Saudi co-defendants hired James Baker's law firm to defend him against the TRILLION dollar 9-11 lawsuit

[saltpoint]

30. Very interesting.

Baker's presence always seems shadowy to me.

I had a dream many years ago now that the "figure on the grassy knoll" in Dallas in November 1963 was James Baker.

A dream is not temporal evidence, I realize. But I tell you, in the dream, it was Baker who took aim and fired the second shot.

[silverlib]

14. How powerful is Baker?

If he got him in, what would stop him from getting him out?

Is he less powerful than Rove?

(just asking 'cause I do not know)

[DesEtoiles]

17. Baker will protect himself, his lawfirm and the Carlyle Group

and to hell with the rest of us

[elehhhhna]

28. Yep. Butt-covering with his Saudi clients, etc.

[diamond14]

25. baker could easily get rid of KKKarl rove.....rove is done with

his usefullness, rove ran a vicious incredibly nasty campaign, and now bush is back...so nobody needs rove anymore...

replacing rove with a decent educated human being could alter bush* a bit...bush* is just an empty vessle, and rove runs the whole operation....it would be very strategic to get rid of rove, by exposing some of his crimes....


he hehehe....maybe replace rove with another S&F like condi...to keep bush* busy and to entertain him, and providing a conduit for baker and the boys to manipulate bush*....condi has been removed from the White House playground...she'll be busy traveling the world and working over near the Kennedy Center and her home at the Watergate Complex....she can't be available daily to coddle georgie boy....condi got sick of that shit and is moving on...

[Malva Zebrina]

16. Looks like Skowcroft, Baker et al

don't drink enough beer so they can't have a beer with that foul mouthed frat boy. He seems the classic Oedipal character, arrogantly trying to outdo his father--but then, look who brought him up. No doubt there was little respect for any of the conventional niceties or societal rules. Those who asssume a birthright, or a sense of entitlement, seldom think those rules apply to them and this is displayed in his two progeny also.

What I found intriguing in Blumenthal's piece, is that Skowcroft supported Bush for re-election out of courtesy to his old friend, George I. Is that not mind boggling?

Relative newbee to politics asks: What is this politics all about? Not what I thought it to be once. I sure have learned a lot over the past four years, thanks mostly to DU and all the links provided over that period to come to some conclusions on my own.

Sounds like DU'ers had it right about Condoleeza. I am not so sure about Powell--the article was not exactly complimentary to Powell. It seems his attempts at resurrection are too little , too late, now that he is retiring and he may never be afforded the respect he once had--even if he is leaking information to the WP.

[leesa]

18. Powell is trying not to go to jail.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

19. What is this politics all about? Simple tit for tat...

you scratch my back, we all stick together, etc.... it's all about loyallty and favoritism and a lot of lying and promise keeping and sometimes breaking. Manipulation and exploitation are de rigeur, of course you just can't make it look that way.

As for the specifics here, it is interesting that people like Blumenthal admit that their motivation for voting for Bush was compromised and less than 100%, it goes to show how unacceptable he is to most rational people, even Republicans. Powell is a sell-out piece of shit- he obviously thought he could do something useful and participate in a substantial way with this WH, yet when it became obvious that he was only the window dressing of legitimacy in this charade, he kept quiet and sucked up and let his troops go into battle undermanned and underequipped.

Now, let's start talking about Blackwill!

[Pirate Smile]

23. I always thought Powell would resign to protest what was happening

in BushCo. (before his speech to the UN) but he didn't and he damaged his credibility, reputation and legacy forever.

Sometimes the good soldier needs to be more loyal to his country then to his Boss.

[diamond14]

24. bush* is following nixon EXACTLY....near the end, all of nixon's

so called 'close friends' jumped ship....making their own plea bargains to stab each other in the back....

nixon was extremely paranoid, like bush* (OMG, bush* even wears bullet-proof jackets and surrounds himself with his secret sercurity police when visiting with OUR military)...

nixon was an alcoholic....near the end, he appeared on National TV, slobbering drunk, and Americans were SHOCKED...seems that nobody preceived that he was an alcoholic...

nixon threw a lavish wedding party for his daughter's marriage at the height of the KILLING in Vietnam...over 1000 eggs were needed just for the gigantic cake, and the whole thing looked like Prince Charles wedding to Di.....


and at the end...nixon had wrecked so many careers and stabbed so many people in the back...NIXON WAS ALL ALONE....he was a crook...and he was FORCED to resign the Presidency for his crimes...sadly, reTHUGlicans embraced the criminal after all the rage calmed down, and nixon made speeches and opened a (shame) presidential library with OUR money, and made appearances with Senators, etc.....nixon had no shame...he was a crook...

bush* will be the same...all alone at the end...sent back to his pig farm to slosh his way through the brush, alcohol/drugs, with his drunken daughters, alcoholic/xanaxed wife....

[Minstrel Boy]

26. This is reminding me of intrigue among senior Nazis.

Bormann intriguing against Goering, who was intriguing against Himmler....

Funny thing, though. At the end of the day, they were still Nazis.

[diamond14]

27. reminds me of nixon's SATURDAY NIGHT MASSACRE....where he

got all freaked out and FIRED a bunch of really important people all at once, on a Saturday night by phone....a lot of it was due to nixon's increasing paranoia (just like bush*)...and it was exaserbated by nixon's alcoholism (just like bush*), and nixon's complete failure in the Vietnam war (just like bush*)....

and it was a real assinine mistake to make, because it set the stage for nixon's removal (hopefully, just like bush*)....

[0007]

31. A classic! Rumsfeld's heart beat with the compassion of a crocodile.

"Powell, the outgoing secretary of state fighting his last battle, a rearguard action against his own administration on behalf of his tattered reputation, is leaking stories to the Washington Post about how his advice went unheeded. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, whose heart beats with the compassion of a crocodile, clings to his job by staging Florence Nightingale-like tableaux of hand-holding the wounded, while declaiming into the desert wind about "victory." Since the election, 203 U.S. soldiers have been killed and 1,674 wounded."

...and does Colin have the heart of that wooden little boy with the long long nose called Pinocchio?