MSNBC. This is hate speech.

[bullimiami]

Scarborough Country. Buchanan, Bill Donahue and a few other freaks.

"SECULAR JEW RUN MEDIA" this is a quote....


are these the Neo Conservative values?
-Hate
-Bigotry
-Rigging Elections
-Murder
-Plunder
-Torture w/ sexual depravity
-Corruption


Then Buchanan comes back from the break and says how the EXIT POLLS said it was VALUES AND THE IRAQ WAR. Exit polls? They said Bush LOST how did he miss that tidbit.

They are out of control, mad with the power.

[faithnotgreed]

1. serious. they like the exit polls for some explanations but then

trash them when said exit polls show a kerry win

and yes - hate is just about what you can call it. i dont know how you can watch that stuff.

[bullimiami]

2. I cant and dont watch it.

My wife dragged me in front of the TV for all of 2 minutes. About all I could take.

[faithnotgreed]

3. i understand

theres another thread in this forum about this and someone posted they had called the msnbc number to complain

one thing for sure: the collective hypocritical faction of the right - whether government or media - continues their hate in different ways because they can

[imenja]

4. Buchanan? He is not a neo-con

He dislikes the neo-cons and wants to take the Republican party back from them. He's been a strong opponent of the war from the beginning, though that didn't stop him from endorsing Bush and trashing Kerry. I don't think Scarborough qualifies as a neo-con either.

That comment does looks like something Buchanan would say.

[elperromagico]

5. Jesus is on the cover of both Newsweek and Time.

How on earth did they break away from the "secular Jew-run media"? :shrug:

[The Minus World]

6. What if these fools threw a TV party

and nobody came?

If you are familiar with the concept of Manufacturing Consent, then you will understand that these networks are nothing more than a propaganda arm of the government. Knowing that, would you expect them to do anything less than de-emphasize facts which are harmful to their greater narrative, and emphasize the ones that are helpful? If not in such an obvious manner, consider the fact that they, like any good advertising agency, (except, they're a 24/7 advertisement for the Pentagon) tend to choose stories and news items which pander to our deepest cultural dogmas.

The media have done a wonderful job, not only in distracting the right-wing, like dogs, with wedge issues to chew on; they have been unexpectedly successful in distracting the left, by enraging us at their blatant lack of objectivity.

If every intelligent American made a conscious decision to permanently cut their I.V. drip of sugary-sweet cable news, and refused to give money to the sponsors which enable American Pravda to subsist, much of the problem would cease to exist -- immediately.

Do yourself a favor and pry yourself from MSNBC, my friend. Many of us have done the same, and are better off for it.

[elperromagico]

7. I find it oddly hilarious when Hannity, Scarborough, Limbaugh, O'Reilly,

or some other miserable right-wing cretin sits in a comfy corporate-owned chair in a corporate-owned studio at a corporate-owned network...

and spends several hours a week complaining about the liberal media that supresses conservative views.

I don't watch that crap, but the concept still amuses me on some bizarre level. It's something akin to Donald Trump griping about not getting a job in a Las Vegas casino. Or Bill Gates complaining that he can't get a job in the computer business.

[The Minus World]

8. Increasingly,

it becomes apparent that we are all slaves, watching dejectedly through the gated entry as the boss has a poolside chat with a colleague about his poor state of affairs.

Sometimes, it helps to be able to laugh about these things. However, I'm immediately grounded back in reality once I realize how disgusting all of this must look to the rest of the intelligent world, which remains largely uncorrupted by the greasy-fingered influence of derelict American culture.

[bklyncowgirl]

9. I agree with you up to a point.

Then there's the part about knowing what your enemy is saying about you.

If you cut yourself off from all contact with the mainstream media, then you risk becoming even more out of touch than our enemies think we are. Knowing what these guys are saying while fully understanding what they are is helpful and what they are trying to do is helpful.

As on last night's wild and crazy right wing blowout it can also be pretty amusing. Sadly I missed most of it but I did catch the right wing Jewish guy screaming at Donahue and Buchanan.

It's fun when fundamentalists attack each other.

[Disturbed]

10. Dobbs and Tweety...

are the only ones I tune in to these days. That's about all I can handle.

[The Minus World]

11. Cut the Cable.

I agree with you: a little opposition research is always required for a healthy understanding of the human discourse. In fact, I take issue with some DUers and their aversion to visiting FreeRepublic (or any other rabidly right-wing site) every once in a while, just to see how we're being perceived.

However, my greater problem is with those who turn on cable news and take it seriously; as though the networks have some unspoken, sworn duty to convey hard information to the American people, and they're inexplicably falling short of fulfilling that expectation.

My take is that there is deliberate misinformation going on, consisting of 24/7 right-wing reframing of even the most basic of debates, and it's very easy to get caught in the cycle of either believing what is being said, or becoming incredibly angry at those who do. Even at the expense of personal relationships.

The first step to counter the arguments of an individual who brings up, say, as an example, Teresa Heinz Kerry as a focal point of concern amidst our situation of constitutional crisis, is not to say: "Well, here are some positive points about Teresa Heinz Kerry, and I think you'd agree." But rather, to say: "I don't know why the hell you're focusing on trivialities like Teresa Heinz Kerry when X, Y and Z are problems which should be of much greater concern than such tabloid trivialities as a potential president's wife."

Such is true with countering any political distraction. Perspective is the key, and, unfortunately, the networks provide none.

We cannot keep working within the frame which is being created for us. What the body of the right wing has proven over the past decades, more than anything, is that it is adept at creating frames. If we want to put on MSNBC-sponsored boxing gloves and fight it out with idiots who think the second coming of Christ is about to occur, then we are bound to lose -- not because we lack in logic, but because we have chosen to fight on their turf, with their rules, which are invariably rigged in their favor.

It is very possible that these pundits are the "out-of-touch" ones, and that they represent nought but the interests of their overseers, which, in turn, represent the interests of the Fortune 500.

By steering the water-cooler discourse of middle-class America, they are creating mouthpieces for their own narrow set of values. And they can only steer these conversations if we allow them to. I suggest that we categorically reject their values, and thusly their networks, and refuse to engage in the petty distractions of the Scarboroughs and Hannities of the world.

[nascarblue]

15. Excellent point. I find I watch to get a peek at what to expect

this administration has gotten pretty predictable. I can watch these shows once in awhile and they're very telling about what the Bushies have in mind. Its kind of like their test grounds.

[UTUSN]

12. Funny (Odd). They Liked the Secular-Jewish Votes for Shrub. n/t

[nascarblue]

14. Check out a sample transcript of his propaganda...

BUCHANAN:Ole Anthony, let me begin with you. You‘ve been called a scourge of televangelists and of the prosperity gospel. Who and what are you talking about?

OLE ANTHONY, TRINITY FOUNDATION: Well, unfortunately, most of the successful televangelists on the air today, the only way they can stay on the air is by promoting this gospel of greed, the so-called 100-fold blessing or heavenly lotteries, as I call it.

And it‘s doing more harm to the body of Christ than anything else that‘s happening today.

BUCHANAN: Well, there are millions of folks, as a matter of fact, over 140 million, I believe, listen once a month to televangelists. They clearly are getting something out of this in their relationship with God in hearing about the problems of their lives addressed. And they certainly get something out of it. I mean, why are 140 million people wrong and Ole right?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

[nascarblue]

13. It doesnt matter what Buchanan is or isnt, fact is...

He is out of control this week. All week long he's been pushing a seriously warped christiofascist agenda. It's like I'm watching Fox. Its obvious he's pushing the White House's agenda. Puppetmasters are pulling his strings. I suggest you write a letter otherwise MSNBC is headed to become another Fox. I suggest you shoot them an email...

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