Did Janeane Garofolo have to show her tattoos when she campaigned?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

That's what the DLC is getting at. Don't change what you're saying just package it the right way, in a non threatening way for blue hair voters and idiots. What do you think the average retired gramma thought when she saw Janeanes' tattoos on Crossfire?

I don't see why we should be outraged about someone pointing that out.

[Must_B_Free]

1. tattoos are:

- for people who need to be branded with an identity
- they blur
- you can't be buried in a jewish cemetary with them
- people grow and change

bottom line - tattoos are a bad bad idea.

[TwentyFive]

4. I didn't know that about Jewish cemetaries

I wonder if that includes Reform Jews as well.

[Kitka]

14. Yep. People grow and change.

Fortunately, people with tattoos usually go with the flow and don't flip out over the fact that they don't necessarily identify with a tattoo they got at 18. Probably because we don't use them to brand us with an identity, we just like how they look. ;-)

[ElectroPrincess]

130. On the other side of the coin ...

The "tattoo removal business" has become very lucrative across the past decade. A friend of mine says that she's deluged with calls from people wanting to have their's removed.

[goddess40]

56. you can't be buried in a Jewish cemetery with them

What about the Holocaust survivors - or are involuntary tattoos exempt?

[NYCGirl]

58. That's why the Nazis tatooed the people in camps. They could never be

buried in consecrated ground.

I would assume there's some kind of dispensation for that.

[Djinn]

90. no more of an identity badge

than people who wear designer duds - or skater/surfer/jock/goth or any other type of clothes.

I don't feel my tat's define my identity at all and blurring isn't always a problem - depends on colour, placement, thickness of lines, intricacy of the design

Oh and I couldn't give a toss re the jewish cemetary thing

Tattoos are only a bad idea if you get them without thinking about it enough, when you're pissed or you're a dippy trend follower who's gone into a shop and asked the tattooist "what do you think I should get"

And grandma's love my tattoos - atleast the ones that are visible in public, I'm always getting stopped and asked about them, I get told they're pretty, patricularly by old folks

[Dastard Stepchild]

96. I don't agree...

I like my tattoo, and I wouldn't define it as an identity brand. It is identifiable on my body, but I don't think that is quite what you are getting at.

bottom line - tattoos are not something you like. :)

edited for sp.

[Must_B_Free]

102. Maybe it's because

i had to pay thousands of dollars for someone to burn off the tattoos my wife got when she was 16.

[Dastard Stepchild]

104. Well, then I would dislike them as well...

on my wife, that is :)

[ObaMania]

105. Well I guess she could've shown up looking like..

.. the blond shell head ho's that appear on FAUX News. With their fake "I'm so happy *GWB* is my prez and I and my family can sleep safe at night knowing he's going to protect us" smiles and conservative outfits.

Give the gal a break for her individuality! She's always been that way and you probably wouldn't want her to put on a fake persona for public appearances. That's what makes DEMs DEMs.. we are all unique and pretty much walk to our own beat.

[sadinred]

144. but those of us who have them Must_B_Free to get more of them.

I have two and both are very personal and very meaningful.

O8)

[SharonAnn]

2. Well, I lover her but she looked like a floozy! It's a visual world

we're dealing in.

The first time I saw her on a TV talk show she had dark hair and was wearing a black turtleneck sweater. She looked bright, polished, capable, and had great dignity.

The next time I saw her on TV, on Crossfire, she had bleached her hair blond (badly) and was wearing it something like a "dead possum" hairstyle. With a peasant blouse and tattoos showing, she looked like a floozy.

Sorry, but I'm sure it turned a lot of people off. It turned me off and I like her! But instaed of telling people to watch Crossfire that week, I never mentioned it.

Our political ideas are very important and unfortunately in a visual world, appearance is interpreted as the message.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

8. I thought she needed a bath

you hit the nail, even if she did a good job arguing who's going to tell their middle of the road moderate friend to watch??

[geomon666]

10. I would, you know why?

Because if the only thing my moderate friends are going to do is complain about her tats, then guess what? They're not friends anymore. Why? I don't need stupid, ignorant fools around me who are going to bitch and complain about some woman with tats and not bitch and complain about what's going on in the world.

She has something important to say and if people are going to use her tats as an excuse to not listen than I just pity them. "Oh I can't listen to her, she has tats." F***ing pathetic.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. I'm saying if she looked more "like them" they would be more

likely to not think she was some hollywood weirdo elitist and they could listen to the arguments and maybe even VOTE for them.

[geomon666]

13. We shouldn't have to look like them.

What are they, the Borg? It's the message that's important. If they can't listen to the message because of their elitist attitudes toward people who have their own style and taste, then let em go off into LaLaLand where they belong.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

16. people over 60 aren't open minded

they won't listen to a message unless the person looks like they did

[geomon666]

18. Not really true.

Might be true about most, but definitely not all. And I don't think the over 60 ratings for Crossfire are all that high anyway.

[goddess40]

57. "many" people over sixty might not be open minded

but the ones I know are pretty open minded

[Djinn]

91. not true at all

personally I find people my age and younger (I'm 30 ish) are more closed minded than the 60+ folk I meet.

There are old fogies but there's plenty of young ones too

[Garbo 2004]

127. People in their sixties were in their twenties during the 60's

Don't assume all folks in their sixties are right wing borgs stuck in some 1950's time warp.

Hell, a lot of 'em I know are far more "left" than I am and I grew up in the 60's. Just as a lot of "young folks" I know now are more conservative to right wing.

Heck my mom is in her 90's and thinks the anti-gay marriage people are nuts, is against the war & Anerican Imperialism and thinks Bush & Co are a bunch of lying crooks. And she listens to AAR. I don't think she gives a rat's butt about tatoos.

[SharonAnn]

128. Well, I guess the key is "Do We Want Their Votes?"

There are ways to be kind of middle of the road, and her first outfit, a black turtleneck was pretty good. you could read just about anyting into that. Conservative, hip, old, young, conservative, liberal.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

19. but people who go out and campaign shouldn't look like heroin addicts

see Rush is allowed to be a dope addict as long as he wears a tie. sad but true

[geomon666]

22. So people who have tats look like addicts now?

She wasn't out there campaigning. She wasn't a candidate and didn't work for one either. She was out there telling the truth. But if she's going to get attacked by Dems no less, because she made a choice about her body, than I would advise her to just stay at home or on the radio and not bother anymore. Just go back to comedy because the appreciation of all the hard work she and others have done, really stinks.

[Redleg]

148. What if she went around naked, would that matter?

What if she had a t-shirt with "FUCK BUSH" on the front, would that matter? Like it or not, she does represent the Dem party in an unofficial capacity. She used to dress less grungily- why did she seem to change when she became more outspoken about politics?

[billie_]

29. NO SHIT! she has tattoos, whatever....you like them or you don't...

but the giggling killer, wears a flight suit and send our soldiers to kill and be killed....yeah, a suit and tie makes me trust these war criminals, theives & murderers....

if it is just about image, we are doomed and stupid....


we are not a fucking cup cake to sell to the kiddies....get a clue

[billie_]

32. look like them, killers in suits? stepford clones? n/t

[Kipepeo]

107. Looked more like WHO exactly???

Her bed-head tatooed look looks more like the people I know than does the red-pants-suit-and-pearls-coulter look.

I'm sorry NOTHING she wears makes me think *Hollywood.* In fact, she seems to go out of her way not to wear expensive shit.

What is the DEAL with policing people's clothes all the sudden?

[The Traveler]

44. Better not mess with Janeane

I like her tats. I like her looks. I like her mind. If ya don't approve, then we must disagree.

What is more important than winning elections? Opening the hearts and minds of the average American, because if we help that happen we will win elections. When people claim that cannot be done I want to spit in disgust. Because the average American has proven to be an amazing creature, chock full of surprises. I refuse to give up on them. I refuse to abandon them to an era of tyranny, exploitation, repression, and abuse. Don't dis 'em because they succumbed to years of systematic propaganda while we pissed away our opportunities to serve their interest. (This refers to various struggles within the party back in the 70's and 80's.)

The implication that we must hide ourselves in order to avoid scaring the straights is the worst kind of nonsense. Garafolo speaks great sense most of the time. She speaks her truth clearly and courageously, and time is proving her (and us) right. The fact that the truth can emerge from pudgy long haired film makers and freaky tattooed women will eventually be noticed out there. The fact that lies and perversion can be the product of good church going evangelicals is already being noticed once again.

Cling to the truth, including the truth about ourselves as individuals. A really smart man once observed only the truth can set us free.

[ArkDem]

73. or not

[Protagoras]

84. Thank you.

100% with you.

[billie_]

31. FLOOZY? you mean a tralop? a woman of the night, GROW UP! n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

49. She is my favorite, too.

Truth be told, I would have dressed just like her at her age. I wasn't any where as expressive as she is, but had I been given the air time, I probably would have wanted to do it my way to feel more comfortable. It would only have been later that I realized that if I wanted to be persuasive, then I would begin by removing anything that would interfere with that purpose and replace it with clothing that doesn't detract from the message.

Bottomline, conservatives stopped listening to liberals a long time ago. So, you're going to have to reach them on their own turf. The same thing can be said about any social group. If you walk into an inner city neighborhood and expect to do social work, wear a hoodie if you can get away with it. At least a tee-shirt. But never a Lacrosse.

[Redleg]

98. I agree- we shouldn't make ourselves look ridiculous.

Flame away.

[geomon666]

3. Are we back in the dark ages already?

Oh my lord and licorices! She has tattoos! *GASP*

Give me a freaking break. Tattoos are nothing anymore. No one finds them threatening or scary anymore. I know some blue hairs that have tats. I'm going to get tats. Not because I need an 'Identity' (whatever that means), but because I like them. I think they look good, most of them anyway. And if someone has problem with it, well they're just going to have figure that stuff out for themselves.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. not saying they don't look good but they freak a blue hair

.

[Moochy]

63. Yellow Star Sneetches

Blue haired folks would seem to be pretty open minded about tatoos... Now the green haired folks are pretty closed minded.

Now if only Jeaneane had a yellow star belly tatoo, that sneetch would be hot!

[billie_]

42. heh! n/t

[Redleg]

99. It's not just the tattoos- it's the whole effect she is going for-

the grungy slacker liberal arts student look.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

138. Way to stero type

So I guess that means that if you are a Dem you must be a latte drinking, volvo driving, tofu eating yuppy?

You people that are getting all uppity about her tats make me want to pull all of my hair out. You bitch at top volume when someone says to you "shut up, sit down and go along" "be more like us" but then you turn right around and do the VERY SAME THING. You bitch at top volume because the DNC heads think we need to move more to the right to "appeal" to the ever so elusive swing voter then turn around and suggest the very same damn thing.

I see it one of two ways. The ones all up in the air are either HUGE hypocrites or you are in serious denial and are scratching for any damn excuse you can find to blame someone/something else for the loss of the election. Take a little responsibility, practice what you preach and grow the hell up!

Either that or join the GOP because we all know they are the party of cookie cutter people.

[geomon666]

140. Thank you

Well said.

[Redleg]

147. She dresses herself to match a type of person.

Perhaps she wants to be seen as a grunge slacker type. (I mean "type" in a sub-culture sense and not the personality sense). We all use our appearance to manage impressions- some use it more than others. Would you go to your mother's funeral wearing shorts and flip-flops? I would guess not.

Dress shouldn't have anything to do with being liberal or conservative. You assume that people who dress more conservatively must be uptight conservatives. Some people have to dress a certain way to keep their jobs. Hollywood people don't have to do it. The rest of us do.

I didn't equate her behavior with us losing the election. You shouldn't put words into my mouth.

[no name no slogan]

5. How about running a campaign ABOUT SOMETHING!

Kerry's handlers ran the crappiest campaign since Dukakis. The entire affair was a rearguard defense, diffusing attack ads, and not ATTACKING Dubya as bad as he attacked Kerry.

You win elections by offering a clearcut ALTERNATIVE to the other guys' plan-- not by promising to manage his disasters better than he has.

Janeane's tattoos didn't lose the election for Kerry. If Kerry had a vision worth fighting for, it would have been a non-issue.

[UpsideDownFlag]

6. oh, for goodness sake!

her tattoos cost us the election.

[Wonk]

15. We should've gotten Toby Keith to go out campaigning for us too

That's gonna be Proud2BAmurkin's next thread, I can just feel it.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

17. nope Janeane is fine for campaigning but like the first poster said

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2801479#2801506

[MaroonVette]

She has artwork?

Where are the pictures?

[Nikepallas]

7. This is just the latest complaint. The fact is they want to blame all but

themselves. They failed us but they won't take the blame. Hmmm... who does this remind you of?

[okieinpain]

12. uh, does the DLC have to open their freakin mouths. Geez.

[Susang]

20. Could this thread be more ridiculous?

Seriously, the DLC should be campaigning for her right to show her tattoo whenever and wherever she damn well wants to, without fear of judgement.

f the DLC is so afraid of what "blue hair voters and idiots" think of Janeane Garofolo's tattoos, then how badly will they crumble when faced with a truly important issue?

Oh wait, I think we already know the answer to that question.

As for Grandma, I'm guessing she's already got a son, daughter or a grandkid or two that's got a tattoo. They're really not as shocking as you seem to think.

[billie_]

34. THANK YOU, voice of sanity n/t

[ElectroPrincess]

132. point of clarification ... "blue hair" voters are our youth today

Our sweet "little old ladies" no longer have a blue tinge to their hair due to the stellar advances in cosmetology. Salute! :P

[Willy Lee]

133. Amen to that.

My parents are 76 and 81. They love my tattoos.

[Jack_DeLeon]

21. Pics!!!

pics of said tattoos please.

[geomon666]

26. Here ye are.

Heroin addict if I've ever seen one. :eyes:

[Jack_DeLeon]

27. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...

WTF, that doesnt look like her at all. Creepy.

[billie_]

37. beautiful, i adore her and i adore that in America, we are free to express

our individuality...for NOW!

[kurtyboy]

43. All of her, I wanna take all of her

Best damned lookin' lib ever!!!!

DO NOT push back on this---she's a stone-cold fox.

Grdrdrdr!.!...

[The Traveler]

45. You have great discernment

She's exactly my type. Yummmmm ....

[gjb]

141. Yup, a stone-cold fox. Makes me full-body hard.

[Misunderestimator]

74. Dang!! She looks great!

She can campaign for me anytime!

[Sterling]

85. She is so awesome.

I have had a tiny crush on her since the early 90's. I have had the privilege of meeting her twice, once as a fan who approached her on the street. She was so nice and willing to talk to me.

Then I met her again producing a PSA with her and another celb who I will not mention. She was so gracious and easy to work with. She was so humble that she refused to let people compliment her. The other celeb was a total douche bag in contrast, typical celb complex but JG was a fine human being.

She is made of the best stuff on earth.

The Democratic Losership Comitee however is the hieght of douchebaggery and needs to put both barrells in it's mouth and pull the trigger.

[More Than A Feeling]

103. Love the one on her shoulder

Exactly where I would get it, and in bold colors, too.

I want to run for office someday. Do I think people wouldn't vote for me if I had a tattoo on my shoulder? no. She isn't running for anything. She can wear whatever she damn well pleases. How many people 1. watch crossfire and 2. vote based on the fashion choices of one of the candidates supporters?

[ArkDem]

111. She is so young but has no muscle tone.

[Sterling]

116. I think she is 30 something and not everyone spends all day at the gym.

I am wondering why you bothered to post that? I work out and stay pretty buff but I could give a rats ass about that when it comes to people whose views and deeds I respect.

I think she is very sexy the way she is anyway.

[ArkDem]

129. I noticed that before the tats. I guess I'm a physical fitness nut.

[Misunderestimator]

117. Oh please... she's FORTY Years old...

and looks fantastic...

http://videoeta.com/person/92

[Willy Lee]

134. Are you serious?

Heroin addict? I think the sacred heart tattoo is beautiful. Rejoice in individuality!

[LeftyMom]

23. So she looked normal

The problem with those shows is that normal people can't relate to them. Who wants to watch a bunch of old white guys dressed like used car salesman argue about politics.

So she has tatoos and a dye job. So do most of the women I know, including my mother- are they allowed to have opinions?

[geomon666]

24. Apparently not.

"What's she saying? I can't listen, her tats get in the way." :eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

120. Replace and "a" with an "i" and you get Britney Spears

Which "a" is left as an exercise for the reader. :evilgrin:

[Kipepeo]

108. Exactly - If she looks TOO different from a suited straight white guy

our heads might explode.

Oh_my_god, *she* has breasts and tattoos and a Dye_job. Oh god in heaven, what has come of cable TV?!!!!!

:eyes:

[bvar22]

25. MEMO from DLC

The following ORDERS will be in effect for ALL political rallys or spokespersons that use the word Democrat (copyright of DLC).

APPEARANCES are EVERYTHING. You MUST conform. Non-conformity is Losing elections for the Democrats!

Everyone MUST stand in straight lines.

Erect posture, stomach IN chest OUT Chin level, eyes FRONT

A strict DRESS CODE will be ENFORCED. NO JEANS (that just makes us look like a bunch of hippies. What will the republicans THINK?)

Hair cuts: guys, looking shaggy hurts our candidate.

No talking or looking around at political rallys. Eyes MUST remain fixed on the candidate. Looking around is disrespectful. How can the republicans respect our candidate if we don't!

No gum chewing, throat clearing, or sneezing.

No spontaneous cheering or ad-lib chants. All sounds will be controlled by our Director of Sounds! You will be given a scripted sheet which MUST be followed EXACTLY.

You MUST pass DLC inspection before ANY public appearance national or local or streetcorner. If you aren't one of us the Democratic Party, a subsidiary of the DLC, doesn't want you.

The DLC strategy to win elections is :
to be just like republicans!




bvar22, you are ordered to report to the DLC re-education center!

That is all!

[Starlight]

28. You should submit that to the DLC.

They can just make copies & hand them out. Save them some time.

[Willy Lee]

135. Bvar22- Beautiful. eom

[billie_]

30. FUCK THE DLC! and fuck marketing....

we won, they stole it AGAIN...

give granny a break, she ain't as stupid as you think she is!

[JohnKleeb]

33. ha I doubt my grandma cared

and shes very traditional./

[billie_]

35. Right On! n/t

[Oilwellian]

36. No, she got tattoos so she could hide them

:eyes:

[killbotfactory]

38. Yeah, that's why we lost.

Let's all wear cheap three-piece suits and spout scripture to prove we're pious, while we're at it.

[billie_]

40. hahahah! n/t

[UdoKier]

39. I don't have a problem with the party asking us to look sharp.

But Janeane has a right to show or not show her tattoos if she pleases.

I'm much more upset that the DLC called Michael Moore "anti-American". I think he should go to the media and PUBLICLY DEMAND AN APOLOGY.

There is nothing remotely anti-American about Moore.

[billie_]

41. yes she does have a right to show them or not, in America anyway and

they indeed owe Mr. Moore and apology...the DLC is Anti-American!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

67. who said she doesn't have a "right"?

the point is whether it's smart politics

[Djinn]

92. jesus did they really say that?

the term is such a fucking stupid one it should never be used at all but that people professing to be liberals would use it and use it about MM is really bizarre.

Never been a fan of the DLC but if they're using the catch all "anti-american" then they just proved what a bunch of republican wannabes they really are

[Q]

46. Whew...some of the replies on this thread are truly astounding...

...if indeed they're coming from 'democrats'. I'm sorry...but many of you sound just plain intolerant and bigotted. It's the type of language I would expect from the RWingers...but not people more interested in the message than the messenger. Those worried about Garofolo having tattoos and Moore being 'fat' are missing the point by a mile.

[Redleg]

101. Style is apparently important. Should it be as important as substance?

No it shouldn't. Should we give the intolerant right-wing assholes and uptight moderate Dems a reason to not listen to our message because they don't like our style? No we shouldn't.

[Sterling]

118. I was not aware they needed a reason not to listen..

DO you really think dressing purdy will make the RW or Zell Millers take your views seriously? I hope not.

[Redleg]

136. No but it won't turn the "moderates" off if you present yourself

in an appropriate way. Would you dress like a grunge slacker to look for a job? Would you dress that way for a public debate with a winger? I would guess not.

[Yuugal]

47. I don't like tattoos

but in her case I'd gladly make an exception. That beautiful liberal mind of hers makes me HORNY!

I completely understand the DLC's point here: Dress normal, talk normal, don't be afraid to show your love of jeebus or large corps, M Moore sucks.

I just hope they understand my point of view towards them: F-off you boot licking fascist wannabes!

[rman]

48. does anyone have a right to make such demands?

-

[ProfessorGAC]

50. Major Reasoning Flaw Here

The people who are turned off by her tatoos and hair color are those who are extraordinarily unlikely to vote Democratic anyway. Also, only a small percentage of voters even watch Crossfire. (Look at their ratings!)

So, there is no logic with which to correlate the X and the Y you're attempting to connect.

Sorry, but you've arrived at the wrong conclusion.
The Professor

[sangh0]

60. NO and yes

The people who are turned off by her tatoos and hair color are those who are extraordinarily unlikely to vote Democratic anyway.

Very untrue. I know dozens of people willing to consider Dems, but who react strongly to those who appear "hippyish"

Also, only a small percentage of voters even watch Crossfire. (Look at their ratings!)

NOw that's something I agree with. However, it's important to note that because Crossfire is watched by the inside-the-beltway crowd, including it's journalists, it has an influence on what the journalists write about, even if it's unseen by the general public.

The public's perception of liberals and liberalism is formed from millions of impressions. The fewer of those impressions that foster a negative perception, the better, and the more of those impressions that foster a positive perception, the better.

[Sterling]

119. but who react strongly to those who appear "hippyish"

they sound like assholes. You keep the kind of company I would expect.

"it's important to note that because Crossfire is watched by the inside-the-beltway crowd,"

Yes we know how popular they are with average Americans, you live in a cable news driven bubble.

[NoPasaran]

51. All hail the mighty DLC!

It was Michael Moore's whiney voice and Janeane Garafolo's tatoos that cost us the election! Our candidates and election strategy were not at fault! Praise the Lawd and pass the Brylcreme!

[Lerkfish]

52. I hope you're being tongue in cheek, here...

because otherwise, I heartily disagree.
the BEST thing about attending Kerry rallies was the DIVERSITY of people there.
the WORST thing about seeing the prepackaged stepford Bush and Cheney invitation only rallies was the opposite.

celebrate diversity.

[fishwax]

79. Diversity is on the way out

I hate to think so, but there is too much evidence piling up.

I think it's worth fighting for, but apparently the DLC doesn't agree. And we shouldn't kid ourselves that coming out against things like tattoos isn't just the tip of the iceberg.

[King Coal]

53. I'm a geezer, and I was raised to believe that tattoos are trashy

for men. And for women, we were taught that only women in the carnival would have them. I don't believe that now, of course, but many geezers and blue hairs still do. If your selling, don't insult the buyer.

[blueokie]

54. 'the buyer'

Aren't we all buyers? Its would have the same reaction if she came out dressed conservatively and was all 'cleaned' up like mm did on Leno. We all sat there thinking WTF?
She was herself and if you know of her she looked fine.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

68. "if you're selling don't insult the buyer"

worth repeating

[fishwax]

78. I know what the DLC is selling

and they continue to insult the buyers that make up the base of the Democratic Party.

We lost because of JG's tattoos? Not exactly sophisticated analysis.

[Sterling]

121. I think you need some marketing 101.

You don't try to sell sand to people in Arabia. You have to target the people who will respond to your product best. The people you seem woried about are not in our target demo. Strickly speaking from a marketing douchebags stand point.

You should also consider there is really no way to promote a political point of view without "insulting" someone who disagree's with that view. No if people are "insulted" by the way someone dresses then the problem is a personal one that cannot be addressed from a marketing standpoint.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

125. so if the demo for crossfire is over-60 then ads should feature tats?

If a rep is on crossfire they should try to appeal to that audience if they are on MTV they should appeal to a different one. Garafolo's ink is fine for mtv, not crossfire.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

145. Repeat it all you want

But when you have nothing really to sell, then you really don't need to worry about the buyer.

And while we are pointing out appearance and how it can "sway" the voting public. Would someone tell me how many people were "swayed" by the Suites, the wind surfing gear or the hunting gear I don't remember? Oh wait, yes I do, NOT ENOUGH TO WIN! So for the appearance makes all the difference hype, it holds no water. And also, when did JG become an official spokesperson for the DNC or the Kerry camp? If you are suggesting that everyone that "might offend" should stay out of sight, well I hope you can mange it in 2008 when you have 25 people to canvass the entire country because everyone who's looks might offend has to stay out of sight. We had people that make JG look like she's in her sunday best out hitting the streets canvassing and I don't remember one time when anyone ran screaming or went into shock. What makes me sick, are those that instead of profusely thanking all those "weird" looking people for busting their ass on this election the thanks being doled out in spades is bullshit bitching about how their appearance wasn't "suitable" enough for campagining. Keep it up. See how much help those same "weird" or Floosy looking people help your bitching asses next go around because they decide that nothing they do will be good enough so why even bother.

[lukasahero]

55. Youth vote vs. granny vote?

So she "scares" some blue hairs. What about the "kids" who look just like her? Should we completely abandon trying to reach out to one segment of the population just to appeal to another? There were plenty of folks in suits and ties out there campaigning for the granny vote. JG was out there to campaign for the youth vote. And despite what the MSM is saying, the youth vote was huge.

I can't believe all the garbage I'm reading suggesting we should all be just like "them" in order to win. If I was like "them", I'd have voted for "them".

Seems to be the same frickin' problem Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have in winning me over to their argument on Al Quaeda - "they attacked us because of the feminists and homosexuals" so we should not "allow" them here any more. Doesn't that mean we would then agree with the terrorists? Yes! They're right! We shouldn't fight them - we should try to be more like them. :wtf:

[Batgirl]

59. tattoos? How indecorous

If only Janeane had modifed her behavior according to that most instructive of tomes: "The Lady's Guide to Perfect Gentility."
• A young lady should be expected to shine in the art of conversation, but not too brightly.
• Etiquette books of the era concentrate on the voice, rather than the content of speech, encouraging her to cultivate that distinct but subdued tone.
• When introduced to a man, a lady should never offer her hand, merely bow politely and say, "I am happy to make your acquaintance."

As you can see, an absolute must read for all proper young ladies, about A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.

Jeezus, nowadays you can't go to the grocery store without seeing tattoo'd grannies in pink velour track suits, and I live in the freakin' Midwest.

[Placebo]

61. What Are You TALKING About?

As if they put her out there to capture swing voters, in the FIRST place. She is good for rallying the base and the base could care less about her tattoos.

So are all democrats and their supporters now supposed to cut their hair, put make up over their tattoos, remove their piercings, start wearing suits, dresses, polo shirts and khakis? And that's somehow going to help us? PLEASE, direct your passion towards something that could actually have a positive effect on our political prospects.

[sangh0]

62. She went on Crossfire to rally the base?

:crazy:

[Placebo]

65. Umm, since when is Crossfire centrist?

It's all about two extremes, DUH. It's about pissing the other side off, not trying to capture f'n swing voters. Point those eyes at yourself buddy.

[sangh0]

66. Crossfire is NOWHERE

hardly anybody watches it

[funkybutt]

64. OMFG!!! Tattoos??? What is the world coming to?

who cares. I personally think she looked better with darker hair. The tattoos don't bother me. Why should she tiptoe around all these uptight fucks?!

[Red State Rebel]

69. If you are trying to catch fish, you don't put bird food on the hook...

Yes, it seems unfair and yes, it seems ridiculous, but if you want to appeal to a certain type of voter, you have make them feel they have something in common with you.

If she is doing Rock the Vote, she should dress and look like she wants and show her tatoos all she likes, if she is going onto a show with a more mature audience she needs to either clean up her act or send someone else. It's common sense.

[Sivart]

70. Being a democrat...

I don't care one freakin bit what someone looks like, or what they wear. Could we get any more shallow and junior high?!?!?!

That is what judgemental jesus freaks do.

If the message has to be dumbed down or falsley packaged, then count me out!

What in the hell is wrong with Janeane G. wearing whatever she wants?!?!?!?!

[Misunderestimator]

71. Oh yeah... Tattoos are SO threatening. Please.

Why on earth should anyone "package" themselves for blue-hair voters and idiots?

[Generator]

72. I would hope that retired grandma

would be more concerned about her social security check than a comedian-activist's tattoos on Crossfire-which if she is watching at all I would bet she's pretty damn political already and her mind is made up.

I believe they watch Perry Mason, or One Life to Live at that hour.(not that there's anything wrong with that)

But I will be one of those old ladies soon-and if I was watching Crossfire my mind would be made up. Tattoos on actress don't make you fall in love with the worst president ever. That's just junk theory.

Nobody bothered to package the president. He speaks like an idiot, but we are told that everybody loves him. So they do. And Kerry was dull-oh no no no-can't have a dull President-I like the exciting ones that lead us to pointless wars and privatize social security.

It's the propaganda. Nothing succeeds like "Vote for me or die". I haven't heard anything to convice me that wasn't the reason. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Put all the left wing "Hollywood elites" in suits, it isn't going to change a damn thing if most of America is under the illusion that being in Iraq is going to stop them from dying because no terrorist will be on THEIR airplane flying it into a building.

[NoPasaran]

126. Damn

I've been wasting my time watching Crossfire when I could've been watching Perry Mason instead? My life is so screwed up.

[bloom]

75. I don't think people should change how they look

to suit "blue hair voters"

Heck - "blue hair voters" lived through the 60's. They've lived through a lot of things.

My grandmother - (if she were alive would be over 100) would have been able to deal with it and she was as blue haired as they came.


People are not going to expand their minds about acceptability if everyone conforms to look like a "suit".

[Misunderestimator]

76. Ponder this one... those same grey-haired ladies made Ellen's talk

show a hit, even though she's an out lesbian. I'm sure your advice to her would be to femme it up a bit?

[Placebo]

77. Good one.

:thumbsup:

[ArkDem]

80. No, the advice would be, "Don't cover yourself in visible tattoos".

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

81. I'm more concerned that this thread is an endorsement of bigotry

If tattoos are the focal point, then it seems to be OK to judge a book by its cover, but the same principle carries over to race, sexual orientation and gender. Justifying prejudice is justifying prejudice.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

82. no, advice is "look like you took a bath before representing a..........

point of view, if you want to win support from a majority of Americans"

[FredScuttle]

83. OK, let's compromise

if Janeane looked like she took at least a "whore's bath" on Crossfire, would we have gained the 3% points we needed to be the majority?

[Sterling]

87. Please post a pic of yourself.

I am not sure you should be allowed to go out supporting the party looking like I have a feeling you do. We need pretty people in corporate dress. You better not be fat and have all your teeth.

Try not to look to "ethnic" or "street" if you know what I mean.

If you have thin hair none of the ladies 35 and under will tolerate you so don't even bother.

Ok please hurry or we will have to ask you to stop saying you hang out with us, ok.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

88. I'm bald with a missing front tooth so wouldn't go on Crossfire unless

I had my tooth fixed.

[Sterling]

89. But you do realize that....

You are speaking for our side whenever you open your bald toothless mouth to speak up for what you believe.

I am sorry but you will need to report to an orthodontist and get a hair transplant before you continue to speak your mind.

Honestly if you think the kind of nerds that play on crossfire are in step with American culture and fashion you are mistaken.

For crying out loud that turd Tucker wears a freaking bow tie. I hate to say it but I am one good looking dude. I can dress up real corporate and play the white man game better than most I know. I sure am better looking than the nerds on crossfire. However I don't have half the moral fiber and conviction that JG does and neither do any of our elected leaders for that matter. JG speaks the truth in a way that affords her a different sense of style than the douches you seem to put your trust in based on their suits.

Try to look outside the box CNN has trapped your mind in. Look around you at people JG's age. They look like her. That is what we need, real people, real fashion sense or lack of as long as it is true to them personally. I hate fakers, and people who try to be what they are not.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

97. Stop attacking. I said we have to appeal to idiots because idiots vote

and if someone goes on Crossfire to represent our side and they know Crossfire (NOT MTV) is watched by blue hairs they shouldn't be looking like they need a bath.

[Kipepeo]

110. Funny - I didn't think she needed a "bath"

Your perception is not shared by everyone.

She looks more like people I know and more trustworthy than does someone in a tight skirt-suit and long boring-ass pantene-hair ala ann coulter.

[Sterling]

112. I wont appeal to them by lowering myself to their level.

Just so you know more people watch MTV than CNN. Same for The daily show with john Stewart,

If you want to win future elections I would invest in reaching those people not Blue hairs with one foot in the grave and a stick up their ass. They most likely reject progressive ideas anyway and if they don't a little ink won't scare them away.

As for not attacking, I don't feel like I am attacking you. You have insulted a person I admire a great deal and I am making an effort to show you the inherent irony of your complaint. I am hoping you will open your mind enough not to understand that CNN does not represent reality. You have let the talking heads tell you what is acceptable and that is just plain sad.

[billie_]

123. the republicans look like they take a bath in the blood of innocents! and

they have ! and continue too! A suit and tie does not a gentleman make....

how presumptuous and rude to say JG looks like she doesn't take a bath....is it all *image* and marketing? we are not that stupid....

you are rude and base your opinions on silly things....

[SmokingJacket]

86. We can't all march in middle-American lockstep.

Nor should we.

[GoldenOldie]

94. I'm a Blue-hair and well over the 60 mark

I adore Janeanne for her keen mind and ability to analyze and research the problems that our over-paid Journalists (?) are unwilling or unable to do.

No I didn't care for her looks as a blonde nor her tatoo's but find her to be a very attractive young lady and a delight to listen to. She makes our elected representatives sound like idiots....which to many of them are.

Don't be so rash as to label all the elderly as one, just as we don't compare Janeanne with Anne Coulter.

[billie_]

100. RIGHT ON!!!!!!! as i said earlier, don't underestimate Granny, she knows

better!

Thank You for your comment :)

Billie

[bvar22]

93. Calling all :

Geeks, Eccentrics, Outcasts, Hippies, Yippies, gays, Loners, athiests, Disaffected, Non Whites, Immigrants, Nerds, Four Eyes, Midgets, Baldies, Pierced, Handicapped, Tatooed, Fatties, Shorties, Rednecks, Bearded, Artists, Non-Conformists, Self-Thinkers, Out of the Boxers, Free Thinkers, Scooter Riders, Trekkies, BackPack Wearers, Street Performers, Alternative Lifestylers, Vegetarians, Pacifists, Witches, Poets, Science Fiction Readers, Psychics, Astrologers, Role Playing Gamers, Skateboarders, Sidewalk chalkers, taggers, bangers, Alcoholics, Weed Smokers, Michael Moore fans, John Stewart watchers, conspiracy theorists, and any other fringe liberals

You caused Kerry to lose the election. The Democratic Party, a wholly owned subsidiary of the DLC, no longer wants your votes. Please find another party to represent you.

[Sterling]

95. It's not the "DLosershipC" for nothing.

"DLC alienating the base for over a decade and still losing big time"

I will cut the ad for free.

[jonnyblitz]

109. no kidding.

what a piece of shit thread.

[RetroLounge]

106. Is this another "lets Be Like Repubs" thread?

Total bullshit.

Spine Implant needed, Aisle 3...

RL

[Sterling]

114. IMHO it is worse

This is not just about what you think but about what you wear. It's sad that people are so willing to join the march to mediocrity and give up their personally beliefs and sense of culture so the fell like they fit in.

[Hello_Kitty]

113. Don't a lot of r/w Nazis like Ted Nugent have tattoos?

Nobody tells him to cover up. Hypocrisy.

[Sterling]

115. Yes ink is not a leftist concept.

I am tattoo free but many people who are looked up to in our culture have tats. Most sports hero's do these days and we know most of them have a better than average chance of getting elected in todays Arnold goes to Sacramento culture. Hell we elected a pro wrestler to office, why can't a lady in her 30's look like she wants to and not be attacked for it?

[ElectroPrincess]

131. Because years ago, it was pegged as a "tacky" thing to do

and was touted by middle class snobs as - usually was done by drunken sailors who later regretted it.

I feel different because I choose not to have one while my sheeple friends wanted to be popular and "had to have" at least that rose on their ankle.

To each his/her own. However, I submit that it's MAINSTREAM to sport a tattoo now, while in the 70s it was an act of anti-authoritarianism.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

122. Shorter Proud2BAmurkin

"Prudes rule the world. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." :eyes:

[masaka___]

124. fucking "normal" people

ruining it for all the cool people.

[Misunderestimator]

137. Wow... This thread is filled with people pointing out that not all seniors

are fools, and you keep with the same mantra throughout, that those "blue-haired voters" didn't vote for Kerry because Janeane Garofolo has tattoos and looks like a "herion addict" as well as looking "unbathed." Not only is that incredibly insulting to say but it simply isn't true.

[KG]

139. the DLC is the enemy of the dem party.

[Wonk]

142. Why won't this lame thread die? Stop kicking it please. nt

[ulysses]

143. did John Kerry have to be so wealthy when he campaigned?

I hear it didn't do much for his standing with poor folks.

[neuvocat]

146. mmm...tatoos...

Now I think they're hot.

[Forkboy]

149. The blame game continues.....Gays? check

Unions? check
Michael Moore? check
Tattoos? check

next?