Impeachment is out of the question, but we should push for censure

[ButterflyBlood]

The Democrats wanted to censure Clinton as to not look like giving him a free ride but to not support the blatantly partisan impeachment. Republicans killed it, and it backfired on them as they lost for their partisan politics. Now we need to push to censure Bush, if the Republicans refuse, we have a good weapon against them, bring up the question about why lying about information that is used in war is OK but lying about a blowjob isn't, and if they do go through, Bush will have to win with the stigma of censure on him, a huge negative.

[kixot]

1. Could you explain the process a little more?

Some of us graduated from underfunded Florida public schools.

[Josh]

4. As I understand it,

a censure is congress essentially telling the president that he did something worthy of being reprimanded. It has not actual effect, except that it would probably be devastating to a sitting president to be openly rebuked by Congress (including members of his own party.) Andrew Jackson was the only president ever censured, but after his reelection he had the next congress expunge it from the record.

[grytpype]

2. No! We don't want closure!

We don't want some sort of expiatory ceremony that will let Bush put this issue behind him. We want to stick him with it over and over until he gets booted out of office in 2004.

[sandnsea]

3. yes

a very long investigation ending in censure in September 2004, just after the obscene 9/11 exploitation.

Would suit me just fine.

[kayell]

5. Lying to the country, in order to drag it into a war

that has cost thousands of people their lives, and hideously damamged even more, in addition to costing our country $4 Billion a month, taking that money from all of us, requires a bit more than censure. If we try that way, it implies that we consider the offense no more serious, or even less so than the blow job. Censure would be an insult to all who have suffered from *s WAR CRIMES. He doesn't need censure, he needs to be prosecuted, and I think that soon we will be seeing the evidence appear to allow that.

[ButterflyBlood]

6. The Republicans are not going to do that

I really want that too, but anyone who thinks it's a remote possibility is living in a dream world.

[kayell]

10. I think that a lot more will be coming out soon

the tide is turning against * and the cabal. Repubs are not defending him very well the last few days. I think that censure would be jumping the gun, when we have the chance to take the man &/or his minions down for high crimes. The country needs to send a strong message that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable. A slap on the wrist would be an insult to everyone who lost their lives due to *s lies. A slap on the wrist would not help the US regain any respect in the world.

Remember that there were quite a few repubs willing to take down Nixon once the evidence started coming out, they did not want to be associated with that kind of criminality. I think that will happen with *, especially since he did a good bit more than cover up for a incompetant burgalary.

[HereSince1628]

7. I don't agree with the premise that impeachment is out of the question.

As presented it is an unsubstantiated affirmation. Convince me that it really is out of the quesiton.

I am into letting this stew simmer until fall of '04.

There ARE republicans (and other DLC'ers) that aren't happy with going to war in Iraq, and less happy about being misled, there are also republicans that are concerned about USA PATRIOT Act and other usurpations of Liberty. I am not convinced that votes won't develop IF the facts emerge. So, maybe things won't develop into the support needed for impeachment but maybe it will.

[Lostnote03]

11. Yeppers!!!

I tend to agree with you...First of all I believe that Bush would not mind being censored at all because in his twisted world he would view it as a victory of sorts....I believe that a call for impeachment needs to be initiated ASAP.....Let the chips fall where they may....With all of the other available imformation that tarnishes his administration it would in essence serve as a taxpayer funded campaign for the Dem Party....Shades of Monica/Ken Starr???

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

8. I don't want the deserter patted on the head and sent to his room.

I want him in the spotlight, in front of the American people, fired from office and arrested for treason. Nothing less will suffice. Nothing else is acceptable.

[IndianaGreen]

9. There is no provision for censure in the US Constitution

You either impeach the sob, or just forget about it!

I vote for impeachment!

[WhataBildeberger]

12. isn't censure a punishment option post-impeachment,

and not an alternative to the impeachment process? Impeachment establishes guilt and then removal from office, censure, or other penalties are assessed?

[Mz Pip]

13. Resignation

A humiliating resignation. I have no idea how that would come about, but when Nixon resigned there was dancing in the stretts around here.

I would love to dance in the streets. :-)

MzPip
:dem:

[LiberalLibra]

14. I think impeachment is definitely in order "he lied/people died".....

....no one died from the bj though.

[tinanator]

15. theres a better way, more effective in the long run

involves four wild horses and some sturdy hemp rope.