DAMN IT DUer's PAY ATTENTION! NEW FREEDOM INITATIVE PASSED

[Melodybe]

NOW IT WILL BE MANDATORY FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO SCREEN YOUR CHILDREN FOR MENTAL DISABILITIES AND DRUG THEM.

IT DOES NOT MENTION PARENTAL CONSENT, IT DOES NOT SAY WHO IS PAYING FOR IT, IT DOES NOT SAY WHO IS DOING THE SCREENING, AND IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT CONSTITUTES A MENTAL DISABILITY!

FOR FUCKS SAKE THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN!

AND IT JUST PASSED IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE!

AND YOU ARE NEXT! THE BILL WANTS TO TEST ALL AMERICANS!

[Guaranteed]

1. How long will we wait? nt

[BlueEyedSon]

2. Link to a news source please. thx

[walldude]

3. This has been going on for awhile

there was a repuke in Texas fighting against it. He lost. They attached this to the education appropriations bill so anyone who voted against it would be voting against education funding. Oh and by the way, it's not just the kids. When they are done with them they want to test every man and woman in America... Soon we'll all be taking the blue pill.

[masaka___]

6. They should start with W

If anyone has mental health problems, it's him.

[Deja Q]

86. I second that. If I went around saying that God told me to do things,

I'd be locked up faster than you could say "schizophrenic".

[Lorien]

24. Ron Paul from Texas

fought against the IWR too.

[walldude]

55. Yeah thats who I was talking about..

I just forgot his name...

[wildflower]

40. One thing I'm wondering is: Who will pay for it?

For the kids, will the parents be required to buy medications? And if they can't afford them, then what happens? Are the kids kicked out of public school?

For adults, if they are screened and can't afford the drugs they are told to take, are they....what? Arrested? Institutionalized?

Or does the government pay for the drugs?

-wildflower

[sandnsea]

4. Are you sure?

I thought they were out for the holidays. How'd this happen?

[Nikepallas]

5. I thought it was tabled?! If I had children I'd be getting them out of

the country now. Time to worry about the nieces and nephews.

[Melodybe]

8. We're already leaving but we are leaving behind my siblings and their kids

Ages 3 years old and 2 years old.

[Nikepallas]

19. Why do I get the feeling of Steppford children and Hitler Youth cross

will be happening in 5 years?


Keep your children safe. I will be encouraging my nieces and newphews not to talk about their imaginary friends to anyone nor will encourage them to show school teachers anything creative.

Any other suggestions.

[Lone Pawn]

7. Need a link to believe

Too much panic-inducing crap on DU nowadays.

[ballcap1776]

10. yes, link please? n/t

[Don Claybrook]

9. Google news isn't showing any hits r.e. congress passing this

I know Google isn't the ultimate source or anything, but I'm looking for some sort of link to read about the passage of this thing.

Please help. Thanks.

[Hubert Flottz]

11. Race Hygiene: Three Bush Family Alliances

snip>

In Winston-Salem and in Orange County, North Carolina, the field committee had participated in testing projects to identify school age children who should be considered for sterilization. The project in Orange County was conducted by the University of North Carolina and was financed by a `Mr. Hanes,' a friend of Clarence Gamble and supporter of the field work project in North Carolina. The Winston-Salem project was also financed by Hanes. '' <`` Hanes '' was underwear mogul James Gordon Hanes, a trustee of Bowman Gray Medical School and treasurer of Alice Gray's group>....

The medical school had a long history of interest in eugenics and had compiled extensive histories of families carrying inheritable disease. In 1946, Dr. C. Nash Herndon ... made a statement to the press on the use of sterilization to prevent the spread of inheritable diseases....

The first step after giving the mental tests to grade school children was to interpret and make public the results. In Orange County the results indicated that three percent of the school age children were either insane or feebleminded.... the field committee hired a social worker to review each case ... and to present any cases in which sterilization was indicated to the State Eugenics Board, which under North Carolina law had the authority to order sterilization....

http://www.tarpley.net/bush3.htm

Bush Morals?

[aquart]

12. Can't wait for the court challenges.

Can you?

[SoCalDem]

16. "Damn those activist judges.. legislating from the bench"

or will the judges chosen be ones that a Bush or a reagan or _*² appointed??

See why control of the senate matters??

[Vote4Kerry]

13. Time to go to Canada?

The legislation that this administration is passing is frightening. I agree with that DUer that said the blue states should secede to Canada--Actually, wait a minute. Some of those red states were probably blue states, but their elections were rigged by people like Ken Blackwell and Diebold. Oh well, the point is we gotta do something!!

[ilovenicepeople]

14. Thanks Melodybe I posted this as well VERY IMPORTANT

:kick: I found out from Alex Jones's radio show,he phoned up Rep. Ron Paul to confirm the story.Where did you hear it from? GOD HELP US,SATAN SURE ISN'T!

[rman]

15. the thing it real

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/freedominitiative/freedominitiative.html

dunno about a house resolution

[American liberal]

20. OK, I skimmed the document, but where does it say

mandatory mental health testing for children?

[Winamericaback]

21. I did as well

and didn't see anything of the sort

[sandnsea]

44. It's an Executive Summary

I can't find the entire document.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

33. Here's another link...

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=830

http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/index.html

From the the final report tp the President:

Schools Can Help Address Mental Health Problems
Currently, no agency or system is clearly responsible or accountable for young people with serious emotional disturbances. They are invariably involved with more than one specialized service system, including mental health, special education, child welfare, juvenile justice, substance abuse, and health.

The mission of public schools is to educate all students. However, children with serious emotional disturbances have the highest rates of school failure. Fifty percent of these students drop out of high school, compared to 30% of all students with disabilities.81 Schools are where children spend most of each day. While schools are primarily concerned with education, mental health is essential to learning as well as to social and emotional development. Because of this important interplay between emotional health and school success, schools must be partners in the mental health care of our children.

Schools are in a key position to identify mental health problems early and to provide a link to appropriate services. Every day more than 52 million students attend over 114,000 schools in the U.S. When combined with the six million adults working at those schools, almost one-fifth of the population passes through the Nation's schools on any given weekday.122 Clearly, strong school mental health programs can attend to the health and behavioral concerns of students, reduce unnecessary pain and suffering, and help ensure academic achievement.

[Pepper32]

17. Oh man... What the hell is happening?

I will wait for the link before I completely freak out.

Bring on the lawsuits.

[Winamericaback]

18. Need source

I can't find this anywhere and I really need a link or a source..

[hollywood926]

22. I'm thinking of becoming a Republican...

the more I spend time on this site, the more I agree that liberals are a bunch of wackos.

Posting nonsense conspiracy theories in panicky capital letters only makes us all look ridiculous and it seems to be a daily occurence.

These types of threads should be locked immediately.

[tk2kewl]

23. even your favorite news site reported this

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132397,00.html

[G_j]

29. "The bill has moved onto the Senate,.."

from the FOX story:

"The bill has moved onto the Senate, where it will be heard before the end of the year."

[hollywood926]

36. a) that story is old and b)

I am not suggesting we shouldn't be critical of this - my complaint is about the original poster's hysterics -

THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN!

[Name removed]

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[jayfish]

38. 2nd -NT-

Jay

[Bridget Burke]

34. Then listen to Republican Ron Paul, M.D.

He's a Texan who's actually more Libertarian than Republican.

Last week I wrote about a presidential initiative called the “New Freedom Commission on Mental Health,” which issued a report calling for the mandatory mental health screening of American schoolchildren. This new proposal threatens to force millions of kids to undergo psychiatric screening, whether their parents consent or not. At issue is the fundamental right of parents to decide what medical treatment is appropriate for their children.

www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul204.html

If you wish to have a thread locked, hit "Alert."

[Tess49]

35. Perhaps you should pay more attention.

This is not hype. Read the bill. The intent is to eventually screen the entire US population. Adults would be screened by questionaire when they visit their doctors. This apparently was initiated in July, 2004. I stumbled onto it while googling "Bush, mental illness" looking for some insight into his obvious problems. I was astonished, and wondered why it took Lancet, a British medical journal, to break the story. Read the text. Go all the way to down to goals. It seems innocent enough at first -- help the mentally ill, etc. Then, the truth emerges.

[American liberal]

39. Tess, can you please provide a link?!

[Bluebear]

42. Directly from Rep. Paul's website

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2004/cr100604.htm

Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the Let Parents Raise Their Kids Act. This bill forbids federal funds from being used for any universal or mandatory mental-health screening of students without the express, written, voluntary, informed consent of their parents or legal guardians. This bill protects the fundamental right of parents to direct and control the upbringing and education of their children.

The New Freedom Commission on Mental Health has recommended that the federal government adopt a comprehensive system of mental-health screening for all Americans.

The commission recommends the government implement universal or mandatory mental- health screening in public schools as a prelude to expanding it to the general public. However, neither the commission’s report nor any related mental-health screening proposal requires parental consent before a child is subjected to such screening. Federally funded universal or mandatory mental-health screening in schools without parental consent could lead to labeling more children as “ADD” or “hyperactive,” and thus force more children to take psychotropic drugs like Ritalin against their parents’ wishes.

Already, too many children are suffering from being prescribed psychotropic drugs for nothing more than children’s typical rambunctious behavior. According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, there was a 300-percent increase in psychotropic drug use in two to four-year old children from 1991 to 1995!

Many children have suffered harmful side effects from using psychotropic drugs. Some of the possible side effects include mania, violence, dependence, and weight gain. Yet parents already are being threatened with child abuse charges if they resist efforts to drug their children. Imagine how much easier it will be to drug children against their parents’ wishes if a federal mental-health screener makes the recommendation.

Universal or mandatory mental-health screening could also provide a justification for stigmatizing children from families that support traditional values. Even the authors of mental-health diagnosis manuals admit that mental-health diagnoses are subjective and based on social constructions. Therefore, it is all too easy for a psychiatrist to label a person’s disagreement with the psychiatrist’s political beliefs a mental disorder. For example, a federally funded school violence prevention program lists “intolerance” as a mental problem that may lead to school violence. Because “intolerance” is often a code word for believing in traditional values, children who share their parents’ values could be labeled as having mental problems and a risk of causing violence. If the mandatory mental-health screening program applies to adults, everyone who believes in traditional values could have his or her beliefs stigmatized as a sign of a mental disorder. Taxpayer dollars should not support programs that may label those who adhere to traditional values as having a “mental disorder.”

Mr. Speaker, universal or mandatory mental-health screening threatens to undermine parents’ right to raise their children as the parents see fit. Forced mental-health screening could also endanger the health of children by leading to more children being improperly placed on psychotropic drugs, such as Ritalin, or stigmatized as “mentally ill” or a risk of causing violence because they adhere to traditional values. Congress has a responsibility to the nation’s parents and children to stop this from happening. I, therefore, urge my colleagues to cosponsor the Let Raise Their Kids Act.

[hollywood926]

48. Read the actual bill...not clearly slanted points of view...

Go to www.senate.gov and use the search words 'freedom mental health' and you will see all of the aforementioned bills, including the Let Parents Raise Their Kids Act.

It's certainly something to debate, but can't we do it without hysterical outbursts? Men in white coats are not going to storm into the elementary schools today and ram needles into our childrens' eyeballs.

AAAAAHHHHHH WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE!

[Bluebear]

49. You announce you're thinking about becoming Republican

and call other people hysterical? :shrug:

[hollywood926]

51. No THIS would have been hysterical -

I'M BECOMING A REPUBLICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

[Tess49]

53. I'm looking for the full text now

[Hell Hath No Fury]

43. "...makes us all look ridiculous..."

Damn, if I'd only had a nickle for every time I have seen that written here in the last three+ years...

Hawaii -- here I come! :D

[JNelson6563]

45. Go drink some more kool-aid

:puke:

[qanda]

69. Democrats aren't the ones really screaming about this...

The outrage I heard concerning this came from Dr. Laura, you know the one-- the flaming Liberal talk radio host. So why threathen to become a Republican, like if you do it will make someone less passionate about something that concerns them. You think way too much of yourself and your own opinion.

[Cleita]

25. In Soviet Russia children were indoctrinated in the classroom

to inform on their parents if they weren't following the Party line. They could be arrested in the middle of the night and sent to Siberia after a kangaroo court found them guilty of treason. I think this is the reason the religious right is trying to get a foothold in the public schools with creationism. If they can push this agenda through and the medication agenda you just outlined above, welcome to the gulag. You can no longer feel free to tell your children the truth.

[hollywood926]

26. THEY WANT TO DRUG YOUR CHILDREN!

Listen to yourself. :mad:

[Bluebear]

31. Listen to YOURSELF

This is a time of high anxiety for some people. Things thought unthinkable at one point are within the very realm of possibility now.

"The federal government should not promote national mental-health screening programs that will force the use of these psychotropic drugs such as Ritalin," wrote Rep. Ron Paul, a practicing physician whose bill to do away with mandatory mental health testing of schoolchildren was defeated.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132397,00.html

[Melodybe]

37. You need to wake up, if you don't think that this is real

it is.

It is like two birds with one stone, Bushco and Carlyle make an ass load of cash off of Eli Lily and they get to drug up anyone that disagrees.

Sorry if you think I'm full of it, I wish I was.

[neomonkey]

50. Where are you coming from man?

The fact that this reprehensible proposal has even been considered and reached the Senate is truly frightening. If this was the handiwork of the Clinton admnistration, can you just imagine the RW backlash. You think we are screaming? You should hear those folks.

That is what it takes my friend, we must start screaming, we must start alarming, we must start acting as if the rug of sanity is being pulled from under our collective lazy American asses.

Silence and genteel behavior will only buy us another round of increasingly fascist public policy.

[hollywood926]

54. I agree with you...we should not remain silent, but

we should also avoid causing fake alarm. In fact, this has not yet been brought to the floor, so the subject line of this thread is MISLEADING (in other words, a LIE). And when it is brought to a vote, it is very unlikely to pass in its current form. There is a lot of opposition, even among Republicans.

I often wonder, when I come to these boards, whether or not I should speak up about the lies and exaggerations I often see. Is it OK when WE do it? I thought WE were the reasonable ones.

[Melodybe]

56. Not true they voted for it on Saturday, you owe me an apology

and you should call your senator yo hear it for yourself

here is the number 1800 839 5276

[Name removed]

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[SmokingJacket]

80. My understanding -- and maybe I'm wrong -- is that it's just a SCREENING

right now. NOT mandatory drugging. It's conceivable that some school districts will kick kids out if they flunk the screening and refuse to be treated, though...

And I also understand it was tucked into the 3,000 page spending bill, along with a whole lotta pork.

[Q]

81. Please stop calling other DUers 'mentally unstable'...

..or find another board if you don't like it here.

[ilovenicepeople]

60. Which post is a "lie" and which post is "denial"?

:shrug: The New Denial Initiative :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:

[underseasurveyor]

77. Fake alarm. FAKE alarm?

neomonkey wrote:"The fact that this reprehensible proposal has even been considered and reached the Senate is truly frightening."

That is merely one the main points you seem incapable of wrapping your brain around about this whole thing.

The very fact that this was even thought of much less introduce by anyone in the first place, whether is has or hasn't passed the house, the senate, the moon or any frickin' place, I would HOPE that at the very least maybe some teeny tiny alarm bell would go off in your head.

Instead your more concerned about "fake alarms" and the way Liberals may be percieved or the way people react.

If there's any lesson(s) you seem unable to learn is that this administrations past behavior certainly is a huge clue to what lies (no pun intended) ahead!

:boring: :cluestick:*SMACK* It's time to put aside your republican talking points, rub the sleep from your eyes and wakey wakey the fuck up!

[SmokingJacket]

79. Actually, THEY WANT TO PROP UP BIG PHARMA! n/t

[Mr.Green93]

27. will we get free pills?

Give me some Valium.

[G_j]

30. it did NOT pass the Senate....yet

"The bill has moved onto the Senate, where it will be heard before the end of the year."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132397,00.html

[Melodybe]

75. That article is old, it passed on Sat.

[Burma Jones]

32. Private Schools

Now there's a good reason to support school vouchers. Maybe this is how they'll gut Public Education..........

[PROGRESSIVE1]

41. BUSH IS HITLER and REPUBLICANS ARE NAZIS!!!!

This is the same shit that they pushed through the Third Reich and now Bushitler (Bush may be worse than Hitler) wants to do the same here!

:puke:

[jayfish]

46. Abadeea, Abadeea ... Thats Not All Folks.

Try H.R 3015 on for size

http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/11_16_04pain.cfm

<SNIP>
The United States Attorney General could soon have the power to look in your medicine cabinet and prosecute you (along with your doctor) if he doesn't like what he sees. The Justice Department has already chipped away at more than 20 years of privacy standards by arresting AIDS and cancer patients who use medical marijuana. Act today to make sure you're not next.

It's not as far-fetched as it sounds. In early October, the U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation (H.R. 3015) to fund databases to track what prescription drugs Americans are taking. This information would then be shared among states, as well as with federal, state and local law enforcement agencies -- all without your knowledge or consent. If this law is enacted, the government will have all it needs to snoop into your personal medical records.
</SNIP>

http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr3015.html

Jay

[Bluebear]

47. They are DRUNK WITH POWER. nt

[City Lights]

52. Here's a site that has lots of information about bush's plan:

http://mindfreedom.org/

[__Inanna__]

57. It has passed

according to what I heard on Alex Jones' radio station today. He was all over this prior to this weekend and announced it today. Here is a link...

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd78.htm

Apparently he hasn't updated his website yet, but this was on Friday and he said the vote could come in, over the weekend, then today he announced it passed.

You can see his original blurb on it by going to www.prisonplanet.com and scrolling down midway on the page til you get to the commentary section.

The bill calls for kids 4-18 to be mandatorily screened in schools, and I think women who are pregnant as well. Yes, it's ugly, as the guidelines for determining mental health will be prescribed by the pharmaceutical companies. I am glad I do not have children and plan to be very careful myself with what I do, going forward.

His show is on tonight and you can catch his announcement at the very end of the three hour show.

[wildflower]

59. The pharmaceutical companies?

Again I have to ask, who would pay for these mandatory prescriptions?

If it's the parents (and not the government), then would their kids be kicked out of public schools if they couldn't afford the medication?

-wildflower

[charlie]

61. Maybe worse

There have already been cases where parents who have stopped dosing their children with Ritalin have been court-ordered to resume medication or face charges of child abuse.

[TexasChick]

82. WTF!! What is happening to this damn nation!!! n/t

[__Inanna__]

63. Yeah,

I don't know, and the interesting part is while he is removing the tax incentives for employers to provide health care coverage, they'll be spending $$ to screen kids. Who knows...generic prozac is cheap these days, if I am not mistaken.

I wish there were a way to get out the truth to all those * voters who voted this in.

[ilovenicepeople]

65. Alex Jones is one of the bravest people in America

and I suggest everyone check out his website(s)IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP PEOPLE. www.prisonplanet.com www.infowars.com www.prisonplanet.tv

[__Inanna__]

72. Hear Hear ! n/t

[__Inanna__]

73. Hear Hear ! n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

58. This is payback to the prescription drug companies and doctors

they all give oodles of money to the Repubs.

[superconnected]

66. the drug companies already own tv

So they will be screening pregnant women too. Just wait, eventually it will be the entire population.

It's more than just the drug companies. It has the republican seal on it. "Freedom Initiative" when it's a way to lock people up. Sounds just like "Healthy Forrests".

[Cat Atomic]

67. Exactly- this is just another big corporate give-away.

[MsConduct]

62. Why don't we save everyone the hassle, and just check into...

the 'work camps' now? Although, I have to admit, they will be crowded with 49% of us being dissenters.

[__Inanna__]

76. I must draw the line here

for my own mental health. If not, I will surely lose it. I hope you are poking fun at this. I have read about this and it's beyond my comprehension.

[MsConduct]

78. Yes, I'm poking fun. Sorry if it upset you more. I was just...

bringing attention to the fact that things could be worse. And I don't want things to be worse than they are. I'm almost around the bend myself.

[Streetdoc270]

64. check this link for info

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/06/23/bush_to_impose_psychiatric_drug_regime.htm

<snip>According to a recent article in the British Medical Journal, US president George Bush is to announce a major "mental health" initiative in this coming month of July. The proposal will extend screening and psychiatric medication to kids and grown-ups all over the US, following a pilot scheme of recommended medication practice developed in Texas and already exported to several other states.

The Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) will serve, according to the President’s New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, as a model for the upcoming initiative. The TMAP medication guidelines were established in 1995 as an "expert consensus" based on the opinions of prescribers, rather than an analysis of scientific studies. The pharmaceutical companies who funded the scheme include Janssen Pharmaceutica, Johnson & Johnson, Eli Lilly, Astrazeneca, Pfizer, Novartis, Janssen-Ortho-McNeil, GlaxoSmithKline, Abbott, Bristol Myers Squibb, Wyeth-Ayerst and Forrest Laboratories. The drugs recommended as "first line treatment", many of them with potentially deadly side effects, are patented expensive drugs produced by the sponsors of the guidelines: Risperdal, Zyprexa, Seroqual, Geodone, Depakote, Paxil, Zoloft, Celexa, Wellbutron, Zyban, Remeron, Serzone, Effexor, Buspar, Adderall and Prozac.

<snip>
In closing, let me give you here the postscript of the Allen Jones whistleblower report, a document which I highly recommend for study. Jones appeals to all of us when he says:

"The pharmaceutical industry has methodically compromised our political system at all levels and has systematically infiltrated the mental health service delivery system of this nation. They are poised to consolidate their grip via the New Freedom Commission and the Texas Medication Algorithm Project. The pervasive manipulation of clinical trials, the nonreporting of negative trials and the cover-up of debilitating and deadly side effects render meaningful informed consent impossible by persons being treated with these drugs. Doctors and patients alike have been betrayed by the governmental entities and officials who are supposed to protect them. To the millions of doctors, parents and patients who are affected: PLEASE: suspend disbelief and realize you are on your own. Educate yourselves. The Internet has many sites that will help you. The Alliance for Human Research Protection, www.ahrp.org would be a good place to start.
The above report tells what I fear to be only a small part of a much larger story. But it is a beginning. The fuller story will require the efforts of persons with investigative resources, political authority, legal standing - and the will to use them."
<end snips>

plus he has some more reccomended reading. Though I do agree with the one poster on the fact that some of us should switch to decaf during these trying times, the origional posters worries are valid and we should be gearing up to fight this one. I know I will.

[momzno1]

70. this is the link to the mental health Gov report

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/chapter4-2004.html

[xpunkisneatx]

68. Wow...I don't like this...

Please tell me they won't broadcast the mental illnesses these children have to everyone...That was my worst fear growing up...I was diagnosed with OCD when I was 12 and I went through great pains to hide it from my school so i didn't have teachers treating me special...or badly, whichever. I don't see what screening every person for mental illness is going to do anyway...if people need psychiatric care, they usually figure it out on their own...and most will deny they have a problem if they haven't realized it yet.

[seabeyond]

71. "get a plate".......i thought you said

my 9 year old just said that

no, i said, throw you trash in the trashcan

this is my 9 year old not on drugs

he is not a normal child. he is a genius. he can out do most adults in thinking. but certainly not a normal child. how quick before they want to drug him

i just got him the hep A shot after putting it off for two years. he reacts to vaccinations. his body doesnt do well. he goes to an autistic behavior.

but hey, what the hell do i know. just his mom

[yellowdogintexas]

83. I had read something about this in the Ft Worth paper...

what was happening (as I remember) was that all kids in the state foster care program were tested, and Rx ordered for the meds for most all of these kids.

There were some foster parents who refused to get the meds unless there was really a behaviour problem with the child, but it turns out there were lots of these kids on drugs.

Afraid it was a couple of weeks ago, and I did not read the entire article, but it did involved kids in the Texas foster care system

[UpsideDownFlag]

84. thank god our DLC leaders had the balls to fight it...

:puke:

[NuttyFluffers]

85. ... but we need to capitulate and find common ground, right?

isn't that the new good news? we are supposed to abandon either our principles, our constituency, our logic, anything but abandon this group of psychotic leadership. we need to bend over a barrel and work well with our fellow brothers -- otherwise we might alienate them and not win 2008! OMG we might not win 2008 if we stand up, we must remove all of our vertebra so we can't lose 2008! how can you want to rock the boat, you should want to lay down and be walked over! it's the american way! /sarcasm

just for this to be contemplated and worked towards is scary enough. for it to get anywhere is chilling. but, the biggest threat to the nation is obviously democrats taking a stand and not having it anymore. that'll split the nation, don'tcha know.