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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:00 PM
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Racism is making a serious comeback, folks.
And I know some here will say it never left.

But the crazy wing, the dominant wing, of the Republican Party are taking Bush's re-election as an endorsement of their disgusting philosophy.

The evidence seems to be coming out all over the place. A burning cross on a lawn in Long Island, a DUer's story about a church congregation trying to block a black church moving into the neighborhood, and those of you who were the Yahoo message boards immediately after the NBA brawl with me saw that about 3/4 of the messages were "Hang the niggers!" and "We need to bring back lynchings!" and such.

The sad thing is that I'm sure there's a lot more out there that's gone on in recent days that I haven't even heard about. This hate is forcing its way back into the mainstream of America. It really is.

We've got a very serious fight on our hands, here. America is being taken-over by evil, not under the surface, but right out in front of us. It's not even afraid to show itself anymore.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:01 PM
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1. but everything changed on 9-11
you can't be having a pre-9-11 mindset.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:02 PM
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2. i agree
and i would ask the original poster to stop emboldening our enemies

you are only making america weaker with your hate speech
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:04 PM
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5. Yeah, I try to keep that day in mind when I ponder
whether it's alright to hate all blacks or gays.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:28 PM
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27. No. it's not all right.
Our Leader's secretary of state is black.

but she's "different" i guess.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:45 PM
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54. Don't the refer to her type as
an Oreo?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:03 PM
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3. And it is time we join tht fight
it is about the forces that want to go back to Dredd Scott, you think that reference in teh debate was coincidental on the part of Bush? THINK coded messages
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:20 PM
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46. That was actually code for Roe vs. Wade
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:04 PM
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4. In Chris Rock's Never Scared he mentions that
he talks about the patriotism after 9/11 and how first it was fuck the muslims, then it was fuck the immigrants, next is fuck the niggers and fuck the jews.

He says that train is never late.

It will be very interesting when the hispanics take over the population majority in 20 years, what will white Americans do when they are no longer the largest American race?
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:06 PM
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10. Many Hispanics are white---what's your point? n/t
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:11 PM
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15. HIspanics aren't white.
Some of them are caucasion and mongoloid because they are of indigenous blood mixed with the blood of Spanish rapists. They aren't white though. If they were white, they wouldn't be treated like dirt.
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:15 PM
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20. I'm well aware of the background but I still think of most-----
Hispanics as white.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:16 PM
Original message
Well the people in power don't.
And since they are the ones that create the laws and enforce them, it is their opinion that matters.
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:23 PM
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22. The entire thing won't matter in 20 years----There are so many mixed race
people in the USA (I am the grandmother of 2 of them) that race issues may finally be a thing of the past.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:26 PM
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24. I really wish that would be the case, but I am not so optimistic
I see things going back to the 1/8th or 1/16th rule before heading towards equality.
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:29 PM
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28. Over my dead body!!!! n/t
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:30 PM
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30. Well, your grandkids are lucky to have such a protective grandmother
:)

They're going to try, but we can at least make it difficult for them.
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:34 PM
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33. No,I'm the lucky one to have them. n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:19 PM
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45. Everything is regressing to pre-60s Civil Rights era.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:33 PM
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32. yeah, I always get a kick out see older whites, with the little mixed
kids, calling them granny, and grandpa.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:31 PM
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31. that damn sure is what they will tell you. those hispanics are also
some of the most racists.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:05 PM
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40. i'm a mexican american
on my birth certificate, it lists my race as white
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:12 PM
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41. But do people treat you as white?
I am chicana. But I am a mixture of mongoloid and caucasian. To say "white" would just be wrong. But regardless. Racists don't care what your birth certificate says. If you have black hair and dark skin, they don't like you.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:40 PM
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49. it's funny, though
people tend to mistake me for italian or greek (my mother is British, a white person), so i get to hear what white people say when minorities aren't around.

sickening, disheartening.

having a spanish surname is the giveaway though.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:18 PM
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44. They're not Anglo, I think is what you mean?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:34 PM
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48. Yes
Racists don't care if forensics will show you are "caucasian". Hispanics aren't white in the same sense that those in power are white.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:16 PM
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43. Candy, you're not suggesting that Hispanics are incapable of
racism, are you?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:08 PM
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12. The projection is that in 2050 whites will equal 1/2 the population
With minorities totaling 1/2. That yahoo article had so much hate and racism on the message board. People were calling for steps to insure that the white race would remain dominant. I was shocked how many people were claiming that a minority would cease to be a minority. Apparently people don't understand the concept. If every non-white added up together is equal to just the one group (whites) each individual group is still composed of a minority.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:56 PM
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39. Are you familiar with the "quiver-full" movement within evangelical
Christian circles? I have often wondered how much racism has to play in that movement. Basically these people are opposed to any sort of birth control. The hard core ones are really scary. They go so far as to believe that if you are suffering from infertility it is because you have some unrepentant sin in your life. Read some of their web sites sometimes. I have wondered how many of them are motivated by increasing the white race.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:20 PM
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47. Well, one way to ensure dominance is by stealing elections.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:51 PM
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37. You are correct
"the browning of america" sure will be fun to watch cause we are all equal, right?

As a white man I can say that I actually enjoy being a minority.
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:27 PM
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52. I was just talking to my mom about that very thing..
This whole thing is so scary to me. The fact that its the 21st century and we're dealing with hate and racism all over again, I just pray to whatever's out there that some people come to their senses before this goes too far :scared:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:05 PM
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6. It only gets worse as society continues to move to the right.
Of course, the far right is racist is hell. But in an effort to get some votes, people on "our" side are dumping issues that have traditionally defined our party. Why have affirmative action when it just alienates potential voters? It pisses me off big time. How far are we willing to carry this?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:06 PM
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7. Yeah, well let's not forget the left's part in all this
-a talk show host calling Rice Aunt Jemima and Danziger portraying her as Prissy from GWTW don't help matters much.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:52 PM
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55. Yes, but the same talk-show host later apologized for....
offending the Aunt Jemimas and the Prissys of our nation for comparing them with Kindasleezy.

At least the first two images are those of nurturing, caring, good-natured women. Would anybody say the same about Kinda? PLEASE!
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:06 PM
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8. When the economy tanks
Crime in general goes up. More abused kids turn up dead or close to it, and more people will their problems on people who are different from them.

Is it just me? I keep hearing the crap about how the economy is on the upswing...but in the Houston area, it sure doesn't seem that way.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:06 PM
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9. Yes! I've seen an increase in racist & homophobic jokes since * won.
I only mentioned this to 2 other people, but yes, these 'christian' people are hurting and need an 'enemy' to kick around and blame for their problems.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:08 PM
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11. Yup. That is a VERY, VERY bad recipe, right there.
That's Hitler shit.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:27 PM
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25. History will judge Bush 43 to be Hitler's philosophical heir.
When/if the truth comes out about Bush, the world court will come for him.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:11 PM
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13. Blacks are useful to the repukes, but only in small doses.
They need a few of them to stand behind * when he is giving a speech, to show how diverse the party is.

They need a few like Condi and Powell for the same thing.

They need the black churches for their war against gays.

Otherwise, suppress their vote.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:30 PM
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29. GOP window dressing. Behind the scenes, black votes are tossed
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 03:30 PM by TwentyFive
in the river.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:11 PM
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14. Actually, I'm glad it's on its way back.
It fits nicely with my New Year's Resolution for 2005 - to be less tolerant and more narrow-minded.

End of Sarcasm.
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winston61 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:28 PM
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26. Morally bankrupt Republicans
This has been going on since mid 60s. LBJ in signing civil rights legislation handed the south over to the Repubs Don't get me wrong, Johnson did the right thing. The Repubs were glad to take the race card and play it every time. Because it works. Leaders can set the tone for the nation's hearts and minds. But when the leaders say that hatred and division are all American and most of all moral, what do you expect?
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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:13 PM
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16. Not to mention...
that Upper Midwestern rednecks are calling for the gunning down of "gooks" in the wake of the deer hunting massacre perpetrated by a Hmong man this past weekend.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:14 PM
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19. Yup, that too. Again, saw it on
the Yahoo boards.
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:13 PM
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17. Ah, how quickly ...
the past is forgotten. Thusly, we are condemned to repeat it?
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:14 PM
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18. One way to look at it...
...is the new "morals mandate" is bringing all of the bad stuff into view. It's always been there just below the surface. It's hard to tell how to fix something unless it's damn clear what's broken and how bad it's broken.

We now know what we need to fix. Let's hope we can fix it.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:16 PM
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21. The whole "morals" thing is just a symptom...
This is a fascist government we're coming into. It's the psychology of it all- it brings out all this shit.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:24 PM
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23. Of course it's boiling over.
Just after the election. Right on schedule.

can't say we didn't warn you.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:35 PM
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34. It is a facist gov and these people feel secure to speak up now
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:38 PM
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35. Racism never went away but it was out of style for some time....
Then people began ridiculing "Political Correctness"--using that phrase as an excuse to revel in racist language.

And racism has always been a good way to divide people. Why were the Jim Crow laws enacted at the end of the 19th century? Sure, there was racism in the South. But there was danger that black & white workers (or sharecroppers) might get together & oppose the landowners & bosses. So the laws were put into place so the poor whites would think they needed to side with the bosses, just because they shared a melanin deficiency.

Still works today.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:47 PM
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36. Cornel West calls it
Cornel West calls it "the nigerization of America".
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:42 PM
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50. Look back even further
To the 18th century -- there were concerns among white wealthy landowners that poor whites (particularly those who had come to the country as indentured servant) would sympathize with treatment of slaves. So, they made a concerted effort to poison the minds of poor whites against their African brethern by classing them as subhumans who were out to rape their women and steal their food. One of the architects of this plan: Thomas Jefferson.
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:53 PM
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38. folsom california, parst of sacrament.o
is the most racist of all...if a Hispanic person like my self dares to show up on one of they’re stores...I get the stares over and over and get really bad customer service,...
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 09:38 PM
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58. Where I live in CA....
is worse than that....

A local family got booted from their church for adopting black kids.

That's completely unacceptable.

There are parts of California that put the historic rural south to shame, as far as terrible race relations go. We're just not honest about it.

I think what's going to happen with the hispanic population is they'll be considered totally white in 50 years and future people will wonder what the issue was.

If you look at the history of immigration, each new group was assailed with same list of BS: "They stay in their filthy, rat infested ghettos, they're all violent drunks, they're superstitious and uneducable, they subsist on stray cats and pigeons, they don't even TRY to learn english, they have a million unplanned bastard children who all grow up to be either burglars or whores, they'll never assimilate, they're genetically predisposed to VD and gambling, and they're a drain on Society and we should pack 'em all right back on the boat to wherever." Or something along those lines.

The Irish, Italians, Scandinavians, Polish, Slavs, and Jews, among others, got it. And few would argue now that any of these groups is the perennial drain on society that the xenophobes of the time warned about.






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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:14 PM
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42. Republicans have been talking racist conversation for many
many years. Maybe I had a sneak preview of it because of my in-laws. I think it's good that you all are finally recognizing it, however.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:12 PM
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51. Hate crimes (especially against blacks) are on the rise
Reports of hate crimes motivated by anti-black bias totaled 2,548 in 2003, more than double the total hate crimes against all other racial groups. There were 3,150 black victims in these reports, including four who were murdered, according to the annual FBI figures.

The overall total of 7,489 hate crime incidents reported in 2003 was slightly above the 7,462 reported in 2002, the lowest number since 1994. Race bias was behind 3,844 of the 2003 cases.

Intimidation, vandalism and property destruction account for nearly two-thirds of the nation's hate crimes.

(from Yahoo! News)
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:40 PM
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53. In general, whoever wins Alabama and Mississippi tends to be racist...
Those two states voted for dixiecrat candidates up until Reagan, when they started voting Republican. I'll be surprised if the majority of white people in those states ever pull their heads out of their asses.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:55 PM
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56. i hadn't noticed it had gone away.
.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:06 PM
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57. It's the liberals and blacks bringing it back
Yep. It's a conspiracy. They do things to themselves and claim it was the fault of white people. Just like 9/11 where some say we attacked ourselves and blamed others. Who benefits if blacks become victims? Blacks do: oh, now, sure those who are harmed in the process are victims, but their price is small compared to the benefits of victimhood that all blacks can claim - just think - new legislation and laws that will help them out, like the patriot act helped out the government after 9/11, the sympathy they get which will raise their 'poll' ratings among whites and other races, and they can get the backing of others in their hatred against the tali-republic-ban.

ok, sarcasm there - but sometimes the twisted thought processes of some can be used across the board in other things. That is not to say the outcome is wrong, but sometimes the thought process leading up to it can be awkward when projected to other spectrums. Especially when you consider that some people have perpetrated hate crimes against themselves.

My whole argument above seemed silly, biased, downright terrible on it's face. And sometimes I think that is what many middle americans think when we say the same things about america, 9/11, etc. The conspiracy folks may be right, it may all be a plot by rich white people, but to those in middle america it probably sounds like my first paragraph - simply wrong.
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