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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:19 PM
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Voting machines (makers) seek to remove humans from democratic process
I was trying to make this point today and it got lost in the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=269727#269962

Does anyone else see where having machines communicate tallies to a central data base without an actual living breathing human being checking them first for any glaring anomolies is absolutely ludicrous?
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:37 PM
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1. Of course they do...
If corporate America can just get those pesky voters out of the way, corporate control of America will be complete.

Doncha know that it's those silly voters who are the problem because they keep replacing their hand picked legislators?

It's not the voter who controls the process, it's the one who COUNTS the votes.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:16 PM
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2. The thought of a machine "phoning" in the votes
gets my blood boiling.
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:20 PM
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3. It's stunning, isn't it?
Jaw dropping.

The arrogance is just astounding. They never counted on getting caught, did they?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 05:52 AM
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4. astounding really
stupefyingly breathtakingly stupid.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 06:49 AM
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5. boils my blood too NYfM!
Daily... :grr:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 07:13 AM
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6. Here's my vision (not a good one)
Edited on Thu Sep-04-03 07:19 AM by BevHarris
Instead of doing the voting system as a modular thing, where each component is separated and therefore, independently auditable and accountable, they are starting to make it one continuous thing. Let me explain:

Computerized, statewide voter registration: ES&S has long been in the market of computerized voter registration. Diebold bought the DIMS voter registration company last January. Election.com also does it.

Printing ballots: Did you know that Diebold has it's own ballot printing company? In Washington State, we have had a steady string of snafus about absentee ballots, and election officials have lost their job over it. Once again, the ballots went astray -- and this article, in the Seattle Times, explains why: Diebold error.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001702524_ballots03m.html

Voter sign-in at the polling place: I got hold of a couple sales presentations these companies are making. They are proud that the voting machine system they make can "automatically log in to the voter registration database." Now, how long do you think it will be before instead of having a printout and checking off your name (the physical audit trail used to compare #votes cast with #votes counted), they start just entering a number and signing voters in electronically? And when they do that, who will know if the sign-in tally is correct or stuffed?

Voting -- as we know, we are now moving to casting our vote electronically

Vote tallying -- and then the machine calls in to the central tallying machine and dumps its data.

Now, picture the above with one company at the helm

It controls the voter registration list. It controls notifications sent to voters. It controls sign-in at the polling place. It controls casting of the vote. It controls counting of the vote.

And it is private and secret and we aren't allowed to know a damn thing about anything it does.

Bev
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 07:31 AM
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7. But that's the "beauty" of single sourcing
I'm afraid that all sounds oh-so-streamlined and wonderful to the one-stop-shoppers of municipal and state goverment.

Excuse my French but... Fuck that shit. The whole concept of computerized voting is obscene. You'd have thought Florida 2000 would have demonstrated its perils for the masses for all time. But no. People are stupid sheep. They think computers will solve everything. Well, they will- but not the way that they think, and only for certain people.
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