Why the TENET story makes me deliriously HAPPY

[DrBB]

Re "CIA Takes Blame for WMD Flap"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/25/iraq/main560449.shtml

Oh guys. Oh no. No you don't get it at ALL do you. And that makes me so unbelievably fucking happy.

It doesn't work, you see. To fall on your sword, show your loyalty, sacrifice everything for that nice Carlyle directorship. Oh no.

Because you're all forgetting something very important, George Tenet, and George W, and Dick, and Rummy, and the Dark Powers behind you, and above all Karl Rove whom you all think is the Genius Who Can Not Fail and who, I am quite sure, is behind Tenet's attempt to cover himself in shit for his doggie master.

You're all forgetting this:
It's not the crime, it's the cover-up.

'Member now? Ask John Dean, he's still around, he'd be glad to tell you. The 2nd rate (or was it 3rd) break-in, that wasn't the problem. It was the cover-up.

So this little story about "The CIA could have been more proactive" or whatever, it won't work. Because too many facts are already out that show it's not true.

We know, for instance, that you told the Brits they shouldn't go with the Niger Uranium story way back in September. ("CIA Asked Britain to Stop Claim" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40684-2003Jul10.html?nav=hptop_tb). So if that news was important for the Brits to hear, why didn't you tell Shrump? And if they didn't know, is that their fault or yours? And doesn't it all add up to an intelligence snafu of monumental proportions that is absolutely UNFORGIVEABLE in a post-9/11 context? Hmmm?

Oh no, George. what you've done here, see, is you've added to the narrative that

They Are Ashamed

...that

They Are Trying To Hide From What They've Done.

Nothing more revealing than a failed attempt at concealment, George. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. There doesn't even have to have been an original episode worth concealing, you see. It's the act of concealment itself--it's far more damning than the original sin in all cases. And in this case--unlike Monica-gate--the original sin was, to be quite frank, pretty awful

So you're fucked George. And you are fucking over those who would give you that directorship in the process, though you and they don't even seem to know it.

You are well and truly fucked. By your own words. And it is sweet to behold. Very very sweet.

[LEW]

1. I think you are close DrBB

As has been said "The seeds of doubt are planted", many many people very upset and shaken about the false statement and no WMD's found, and soldiers dying almost daily.

This will not go away that quickly for the pResident.

[DemoTex]

2. DrBB, I agree. It appears to be a disingenious cover-up, at that.

I still smell their fear.

[blm]

7. Exactly...if it was Tenet's fault we would have heard it

yesterday or early this morning.

[aquart]

3. Yeah, it's giving me a giggly glow all over.

I lived thru Watergate. I know how this is done.

Drip, drip, drip.

Pass the popcorn.

[Spazito]

4. I agree!

It may have worked before the internet and the ability to cut and paste, bookmark, mirror, etc, but it won't work now!

* and his thugs previous words will be used against them!

[molly]

5. This is why they kept him on

[spotbird]

31. EXACTLY!

They knew there was no evidence and there was a remote possibility that the media would report it. Keeping Tenet was the best way to blame Clinton.

It is impossible that they kept him because they respected him. Hell they don’t even trust the career military people.

[jos]

6. Will a new "Deep Throat" emerge?

The CIA's got to be pissed to have to take the fall. Will someone high enough to know enough start talking to someone in the media?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. Great analysis, DrBB! This will lead to MORE questions not LESS!

It flies in the face of statements from MANY others as well. Me thinks they just UNDID their credibility further rather than restore any...it's as though the entire WH CABAL just blinked!

on edit: Trof just posted a link to Tenet's speech...may as well put it here as well.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/937835.asp

[Cha]

9. Is this "The Twilight Zone" or what?.....even I remember the CIA..

warning the miscreants that the "evidence" wasn't credible....

I remember,,,because I was hoping they wouldn't go for it then ...anything to stop the Attack on Iraq!!


I'm so glad you pointed out this, though....not only "food for thought",,it's a feast for a brainstorm!!

:kick:

[caledesi]

10. Couldn't have said it better DrBB!

I was just dancing around my TV telling my husband "Oh, this is good...Tenet rolls over." See, there is this long, dated paper trail from here across the Atlantic to Britian where the truth is and all one has to do is google for it.

Tenet can step down, but it won't stop. Too many lies and a "John Dean" to come forward and tell the truth.

[Woodstock]

11. I hope you are right

Strange, I'd almost think we had a real press out there by the coverage this story is getting.

[Sophree]

12. I mentioned something similar earlier today

In the Condi thread. Why would Tenet tell the Brits that this was bogus and not tell the POTUS??

He wouldn't.

And whatever happened to "personal responsibility?"

And don't speechwriters take facts FROM Intel and incorporate them into the speech? I mean, they don't just make s*it up, right?

And doesn't the NSA (Condi) have to check off on the speeches? Isn't SHE responsible as well???????

[arcane1]

13. will Tenet now have to take the stand?

:-)

[WhataBildeberger]

19. he is scheduled to appear

in front of the Intelligence Committee (I think?) next week. Should be fun.

[arcane1]

22. sweet

that will indeed be interesting!

[DrBB]

23. Interesting because the closer you look, the less this looks like

...a mea culpa. Like I say, nothing here contradicts Gjelten's account; it's just Gjelten's story, with half left out. And I tend to think that's deliberate. WAY more stuff to work with here than any experienced liar would have put in if he really meant to fall on his sword. And what is the CIA experienced in, if not lies? So you can only assume it's deliberate.

If he keeps falling on his sword like this, before the committee and the media, the Shrump admin is doomed.

[lkinsale]

14. We told the U.N. we knew something they didn't

All Tenet really said was, "We TRIED to tell them it was flimsy, but they wouldn't listen, so we argued awhile and then let 'em have their way. Turns out we should have argued harder, but what-the-hey?"

IE, Bush and Co wanted that stuff in there so bad, so they could have the mushroom cloud line, that they insisted on having it.

And what did the U.S. keep saying over and over to the U.N. back then? WE have information you don't have. You want to see it? Oh, well, you can't, sorry. But we have it! Oh, that report we gave you was forged? Who cares! We know something and you don't! You are all silly noodles because we have secret secret secret information. Nyah nyah nyah.

I think I'll go buy some French wine.

[LibertyorDeath]

15. So you're fucked George. Indeed well & truly....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=27207&mesg_id=27207&page=

[librechik]

24. This is the explanation they all agreed is bureaucratically

acceptable. This is the one that will get the most support from the American people, just like WMDs.

and just as bogus.

[diamond14]

16. Watergate was really a chumpy crime, a crime that any regular

DC burglar could have pulled off without even a fingerprint...nixon's guys botched the whole thing badly...there wasn't even any money stolen...the only thing taken was some files, and I think those files were just nothing important, and these kinds of DC crimes don't even warrant a news report or jail time, and a good burglar would at least have an excuse of why they were actually in the Watergate complex, considering that it's a HUGE complex, and thousands of support people go in and out everyday...

it certainly was the COVER-UP...which got bigger and bigger as nixon dug deeper and deeper and showed more and more arrogance....

yes, the CIA is now complicit in the BIG cover-up....several high level government officials are now falling all over themselves with contradictory statements...

lots of fun...things might slow down over the week-end as people think further on this heavy matter...but expect a lot of excitement next week...

BTW...did YOU write to your congress rep today ?
call into all the weekend talk shows....send emails to your Congress reps...keep the pressure up...keep the pressure up....

on edit: ordering a break-in was the least of nixon's crimes...nixon had lots of blood on his hands, and bribes, extortion, terrorism, just like shrub...the break-in was supposably what nixon quit over, but he really quit for fear that the OTHER major stuff would bubble up during the impeachment hearings...

[DrBB]

18. YES! I thought of posting along those lines earlier

"Imagine what Nixon thought of Watergate" was going to be the thread title. Or maybe not. But just imagine--

"All the shit I did, bombing Cambodia only the tip of the iceberg, assassinations, Kennedys, whatever.... And THIS little dinky piece of shit is what they get me on. I mean come ON guys. After everything I've done that you never bothered to find out about or believe if you did happen to stumble across it, and THIS is what you get me with??? Oh the humiliation. The humiliation!"

[diamond14]

25. and shrub could go down over a few lines in the SOTU.....and

it's lot more than just those few lines, which is a typical rovian ploy...just a few lines in the SOTU, just a few lines in the SOTU...
expect that over and over: it was just a few lines in the SOTU, just a few lines, just a few lines...


the WMD, uranium yellowcake... used to make Plutonium... used to made nuclear bombs...

the few lines were really the MAJOR part of the WMD drumbeat that went on for month and months from the entire buish* cabal...rove is trying to play it like a "little bitty part" of the great big SOTU speech...and it doesn't play out at all like that...



check out this GREAT flash movie...those few SOTU lines were UNUSUAL in their DRAMATIC DELIVERY by shrub, who is a really bad speaker...they must have worked with shrub for weeks just to get the right speaking drama for those "few" words...it was clearly a major part of the speech...dramatic too....not like he just brushed over those "few" itty bitty words....

http://www.democrats.org/truth/index.html?s=front

[asjr]

17. tenet

One problem I see with Tenet falling on his sword is that the media now will backtrack and say, "The president was given false information, it was not his fault." Some media will take that stance, not all. But the crew at CNN will all take a sigh of relief. They can bash Democrats for all it's worth. Maybe I am projecting something that will not happen, but this administration literally gets away with murder.

[DrBB]

20. Ah but you see that's where Carl LEVIN comes in

Because--far be it from me to defend a mainstream Dem or anything--but Carl has taken the approach that is just perfectly designed to side-step that whole problem, just as I advised him in the email I sent a couple of weeks ago (and no, I'm not really megalomaniacal enough to imagine it had any influence on him really).

Namely, he is TAKING THEM AT THEIR WORD. He is saying,"If the CIA misinformed the president, that's very troubling and needs to be investigated"

Which of course it does, you see. And of course it leads to all the same shit anyway. But it starts from an unimpeachable (you'll excuse the expression) position. It's now a year and ten months after 9/11, yet an intelligence report on a matter of a nuclear threat to the US has gone missing, and all we get from, oh, for instance, the national security adviser to the president is "I dunno, guess the dog ate it or somethin'."

Well that's at least as bad as "We lied to get us into a war," you see. In the post-9/11 context, that is a horrendous admission. And unassailable on "partisanship" grounds. It's much EASIER to make the argument that, "if such a report went missing, what ELSE has gone missing? Tthe security of the country demands that this be investigated!" than the much more partisan question "DId he lie?"

edit: corrected parenthetical

[diamond14]

26. some of these "older" congress people know how it all works...

it's interesting that the reTHUGlicans may have "cooked their own goose" over the Clinton impeachment...set the precident for what shrub can expect...and after an $ 80 million dollar investigation, nothing but a blow job...shrub's WARS vastly outdoes Clinton's dalliances...so many people have died because shrub was drooling for war...had to have it...

shrub will not be able to withstand an impeachment hearing, like Clinton did...shrub just doesn't have the stamina or character...he'd loose his temper in a second and blow up as a spoiled little frat boy....

just the build up to an impeachment is going to take months and months of hearings...we're going to have to hear from every single Civil Servant down in the "bowels" of the White House, and the "bowels" of the Defense Dept., and the "bowels" of the CIA and the "bowels" of the State Dept....plus, all those people from the "bowels" of the british...and the "bowels" of niger...

it could take us right up to the "Re-Defeat bush* in 2004", and it'll be entertaining and educational for the whole USA to see these common crooks, criminals squirm, finger each other, make deals with presecutors, lie, cheat, get caught shredding papers and deleting computer files...we have a long road ahead, but there is light at the end of the tunnel and it is GETTING BIGGER and BIGGER everyday...I'm smiling too...

[loyalsister]

21. Something else we want to shine through NOW

Forget STOU!!! We want the public to know details of WHY they are in such a rush to go to war. Get the STOU out of the way and this leads to PNAC.
At this pooint, misleading evidence in the administration is MORE damning than outright lies coming from Bush here. When you get there, you have only two conclusions. Incompetency or dishonesty. By one of the two the pres. isn't giving us the facts we're entitled to. I suspect we're probably not going to get details enough to know which, but NOONE is going to want to gamble with either for a second term.

[MODemocrat]

27. Thank you DrBB for giving me hope

I really hadn't thought of that aspect, but it sure makes a lot of sense. All of them should be impeached.

[Octafish]

28. Way to go, DrBB!

You hit the nail on the head, Doctor. The Bush Organized Crime Family is so used to lying, they don't know what to do when they have to tell the truth. That's why these cruel, cowardly and avaristic men and women stumble over themselves and each other as they try to escape their doom.

These sick arch-criminals also fear what secrets will spill when Tenet goes down. That guy has the goods on Bushler and his crooked crew, so I wouldn't expect his life insurance agent to be all too happy right now. May the Good Lord protect him and his family. We might need his evidence at the trials.

PS: Bit mo' Ant Man Bee:

...Uhuru ant man bee uhuru ant man bee
Now the bee takes his honey Then he sets the flower free
But in God's garden only
Man 'n the ants
They won't set each other be

— Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band

[Wapsie B]

29. Great thread!

:kick:

[blm]

30. morning bump...

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[DrBB]

32. An I TOLD YA SO!!! kick!

I told ya so! Woo hoo! The excremental byproducts are hitting the helical air-propulsion device and Tenet's statement is WHY.

Oh I wanna seem 'em spin their way out now. I wanna just see 'em try.

on edit: referring, obviously, to THIS:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48847-2003Jul12.html?nav=hptop_tb

[JNelson6563]

35. I share your joy

It was interesting too. I saw Carl Levin last night and he broke it to us that on the way over he'd heard Tenet was taking the rap.

This morning I see him and he's talking about "the other shoe that is going to drop" and stuff like that. I was optimistic but, woo-boy, I dared not hope for this!

The truth will come out. Maybe the CIA thinks it's time for the Bushreich exploitation of their borg to end.....

Julie

[DrBB]

36. Levin is a mensch

He's taking exactly the right line with this--by taking them at their word. Their cover stories are worse than what they're trying to cover up, if only we'd notice. Tenet's "mea culpa" was a stiletto in the back, if you actually read the thing. All Levin has to do now is ask Tenet, "So if you were wrong to bow to pressure to let them put this in, who was applying the pressure? Tell us their names."

[ScreamingMeemie]

33. You know it, I know it, the sheeple don't know it...

Bush doesn't want them to know it...so will the papers publish the timeline??? These aren't Watergate times anymore, so I will remain cautiously optomistic. I hope we can truly, gleefully, watch * sink back into the slime that spawned him...and PNAC too...

[DrBB]

34. All I can say is, read that WPost link

I think it's a classic example of the player played. Tenet knew what he was doing. That hook is set now, set deep. And the Tenet "non-mea culpa" mea culpa is what did it.

[Q]

37. Playing devil's advocate: you're right...it's about the 'coverup'...

...but first you must expose the coverup and start using nasty words like 'conspiracy'.

- Most importantly...the DEMOCRATIC PARTY has to start showing a little 'outrage' or this thing will fade away like bell bottom jeans. Hell...the Neocons were red-in-the-face outraged at the thought of Clinton touching Monica. Certainly we can muster enough of an attack to keep the story on the front page?