Democrats deserved to lose

[malatesta1137]

Not only coward Senator John Roll Over Kerry conceded the stolen election hours after the polls closed, but people should be shrieking at the imminent Democratic sell-out in accepting Gonzalez in place of Ashcroft. Both Schumer and Biden have indicated pleasure at the nomination of a man who has displayed total contempt for the rule of law. The Dems are bent on proving that their Party is a hopeless instrument for helping move this country toward a decent society:

Democrats ready to confirm defender of torture as new US attorney general Joseph Kay, WSWS President George Bush announced Wednesday his nomination of current White House Legal Counsel Alberto Gonzales to replace Attorney General John Ashcroft, who submitted his resignation on Tuesday (...) Gonzales is, if anything, more consistent in his hostility to constitutional principles and civil liberties. He is infamous for having authored a 2002 memo arguing that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to the war against Afghanistan. He is also implicated in discussions within the administration on legal justifications for the use of torture, military tribunals, and the claim that the president, as commander-in-chief in the “war on terror,” has virtually unlimited powers...

Read the full article:

http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=2&p=7094&s2=12

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Gonzales Appointment is a Danger to Human Rights

by Joel Wendland

As Bush prepares to send his nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General to the Senate for its ³advice and consent,² let¹s recall who Mr. Gonzales is and what his enduring imprint on history may be. Gonzales authored the infamous August 2002 torture memo for the Bush administration that provided hair-brained arguments for discarding the Geneva Conventions. This appointment affirms Bush¹s rejection of international oversight of human rights and signals a dramatic right wing shift....

Read the full article:

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Nov2004/Wendland1111.htm

[OldLeftieLawyer]

1. Go read the Constitution

It's not over yet. The election is not over. It won't be until the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December.

You're jumping to a big conclusion about Kerry without having all the information.

[still_one]

3. No offense, but you are not being realistic

I just received a letter from Kerry saying it was a good fight, etc, etc, etc

It's over

[NightTrain]

4. I got the same letter from Kerry!

With yet another request for money, of course. :eyes:

[Generator]

53. Boy I'd like to see that letter and I bet everyone on DU would too

"The good fight" and send more money. Good lord, let's bleed the DNC & the DLC dry. Maybe that will get their attention.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

18. Go read the Constitution

and try to understand how the electoral process works.

Do you think anyone would make public their plans, if they were going to question the validity of votes?

I may be wrong, but getting a letter from Kerry has absolutely no legal authority, as does his making that concession speech. Those speeches are simply graceful gestures, and, legally, have no meaning whatsoever.

You should be up on how the election process works. That's all in the Constitution. No candidate gets to say when it's "over." The process decides that.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

32. In all honesty....

This is starting to remind me of Jim Carrey in "Dumb and Dumber" when he asks Lauren Holly if he has a shot with her. She says it's about a million to one.......

"So your saying there's a chance.........yes!!!"

I think folks are placing too much belief in some myth that there are "things going on behind the scenes" that are moving us close to the whole thing being overturned. I say if there was a chance of it happening, the media would have said something, if not to at least allow the crucifixion on the Dems to beging for "whining and trying to destroy the country like in 2000."

[OldLeftieLawyer]

40. "... the media would have said something ..."

Since when is the media friendly to John Kerry?

OK, let's try this scenario: Say you're indicted for murder, and I'm your lawyer. Do you honestly think it would be smart for me to announce publicly exactly how I'm going to conduct your defense?

Take it from there.

Kerry and his team would be mad to let anyone know what they're doing, if they're doing anything. I may be wrong about all of this, but, frankly, I'm happy with the idea that my thirty years of practicing law has taught me that nothing's over until the rule says it's over. Kerry's a Jesuit-trained lawyer, just like I am, and I can't believe he doesn't know the rules better than I do.

I choose to have hope, and I exchew anything the media does or doesn't report. You know what a mess they've made of everything so far. I think it's foolish to trust American "media."

Just my opinion.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

44. self delete

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

45. I think as I said in my post.......

....I don't trust the media. I just can't believe they wouldn't have found out something by now if in fact the wheels were in motion behind the scenes, and dutifully reported it for the express purpose of making the challenge the issue instead of the fraud. I'm sure Kerry has great lawyers, but by now, I would think ANYTHING would have leaked if there was movement.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

55. I think you overestimate the media

When, recently, has the media reported anything accurately or in a timely fashion?

You trust the media more than you trust Kerry to fight.

I don't. My money's still with Kerry.

[angrydemocrat]

62. I agrre with you all the way

...on this one. Kerry is alot smarter than some people give him credit for. Kerry knows exactly what he is doing and the best way to approach it. This man was a good enough attorney to bring down BCCI that in itself tells you this man is not a push over as so many others want to beleive!

[Cyrix]

47. Christ

This reminds me of back in the day all the talk about Dashcle's "secret plan" to stop the Iraq war. Denial at its best.

[bhairava]

81. Dumb Daschle

Theren were so many defenders of Daschle and his colleaugues here everytime they rolled over for the Repugs. "He's just biding his time. He's really fighting behind the scenes. He just pretends when he says he supports the president.He's the best majority leader ever. Strong and silent." It would be laughable if the self deception weren't so pathetic. And yet again we have Dem senators rolling over and pissing themselves over Gonzalez. Ashcroft should NEVER have been confirmed nor Thomas, Scalia, nor Rehnquist. Gonzalez (and this administration's) crafting of a policy of torture and legally exploring ways to get away with it is abominable. Why was this not a 'values' issue during the campaign?

[malatesta1137]

5. lol keep dreaming

get back to me Dec 15 and we'll see how innocent and easily fooled Democrats like you are.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

19. You may be right

But, if you knew and understood the process, you might be less convinced of your position than you are now.

It's fluid and dynamic and ongoing. I think most Americans don't know that.

[malatesta1137]

21. it's not fluid, dynamic and ongoing

what planet are you on? it's rigged, corrupt and anti-democracy.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

29. What?

I'm talking about the Constitution and how it determines the electoral process.

You need to read it. There's a lot there that you obviously don't know, and it's in every American's interest to understand how the process works.

It's fluid, dynamic, and ongoing.

Find out the significance of the first Monday after the second Wednesday of December. You'll be surprised, I guarantee it.

[Ardee]

30. Methinks thou doeth protesteth overmuch

Citing the Constitution as you do overlooks the almost immediate concession speech and the call to begin the "healing process" ,whatever the fuck that means, from Kerry before all the freaking votes were counted.

While you are technicly correct as to the mechanism for elections you avoid the rote nature of this process and the truth that, if we are to find the truth at the bottom of this mess, it will come from the Green party and Ralph Nader's efforts not the Democrats!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

38. I'm hardly protesting

I'm stating facts.

If you believe that political moves are substantive and mean only what you see on their face, then I hope you find some comfort in your beliefs.

But, I do feel sorry for people who see only the surface and don't take the time to learn about things that upset them, because they could spare themselves the unnecesary anger and bitterness. That stuff's not good for you.

I do hope, though, that you find a good source and are able to read up on the meaning of concession speeches and words politicians say in order to throw off the other side.

[Ardee]

51. I'll look for one

while I do hope you will read up on proper debate technique and the lack of value in pomposity and preaching from lofty heights.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

56. No, I don't think I will

But you might be grateful that there's someone who knows something you don't know and is willing to impart it to you.

It's called "learning."

[Ardee]

70. So learning is a one way street

I would guess you are not a trial lawyer, your people skills suck. Oh, and oyur ego is showing way to much.....humility works far more effectively with most folks. One might think an "Old Lefty Lawyer" would know this...oh well, left of what I wonder.

[angrydemocrat]

64. Since you seem to know so much how about.........

....filling the rest of us democrats in? Do you have proof that Kerry is doing nothig about this election? Where is your proof he has just rolled over and quit? When I say proof I mean real proof not some article that suits your beleif or what some right wing nut in the news media is saying. You can no more prove that Kerry is doing nothig behind the scenes than others can prove to you he is. But the difference is we are not so quick and judge a man that has worked as hard as anyone to win this election! We are not so quick to make nasty snyde remarks about the man or someone else's hopes. We are not the one's who supported and voted for someone and then when things wasn't going to suit us or he didn't do what we expected turn our backs on him and try to act as if we know it all and play judge. So again I ask you where is your proof to back your remarks? The rest of us would like to see it. Cause if we are wrong about this then prove we are wrong.

[Ardee]

68. anger is one thing

ignorance quite another.

Kerry conceded, look up the word in a dictionary.

[Name removed]

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[Ardee]

83. Gee thanks,

...and its ignoraNce by the way....You ask me for proof yet rush to support a supposition that Kerry is really working "behind the scenes" to expose the fraud of this election with absolutely no statement from him or his team that this is so.

So far the only people to step up are third party folks...take a Prozac and try to be both civil and dispassionately intelligent.

Pot meet kettle.....

[malatesta1137]

48. No, I won't be surprised, I guarantee it.

Do you think it's the Constitution that determines the electoral process in America? Are you dreaming? Where were you in 2000, living in Venus?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

59. I'm just an old lawyer

I've only worked with the Constitution for thirty years. What do I know?

Yes, it's the Constitution, and you should go read up on how it works, and then imagine yourself in Kerry's position, and think like a smart, well-trained lawyer/investigator, and then you might begin to understand the possibilities of what could happen.

Of course, I may be wrong.

And, for the record, Al Gore will be the first to admit that it was done all wrong in 2000. Kerry learned from that, I'll wager.

Interesting how quickly so many people want to roll over, play victim, act all wounded and betrayed, and blame the candidate.

Interesting how bereft of information and hope you are.

Get over your own sweet selves, and come out fighting. You're doing just what the Republicans want you to do. Don't.

[JudyM]

7. Right on. Who thinks he'd be obvious about it, the way the * camp works?

I think/hope he's playing it smart and will come out when the time's right.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. Check Kerry's record

He never walked away from a fight in his life. Do you think he's started now?

A good strategist plays it all close to the vest.

If I were your defense attorney, and you were indicted for murder, do you think it would be good for you and smart of me to announce, publicly, my plans for your defense?

It's not over.

I hope these people who have given up so quickly, without knowing the process, will be pleasantly surprised. I have hope.

[malatesta1137]

25. given up so quicky????

Senator Roll Over fucking conceded HOURS after the polls closed. Do you think this recount effort in Ohio will amount to anything but Republicans laughing at your faces?

Time for a REALITY CHECK, DUers

[OldLeftieLawyer]

28. Concession speech

It's a formality, with no legal weight.

Ever consider it as a tactic?

I'll bet you didn't.

Now, go read the Constitution and learn about the electoral process (which is still going on, by the way). Great reading. You'll learn a lot, and enjoy it, I'll wager.

[Cha]

71. I hope you are right..I'm not ruling out anything..

either way. My experience with the campaign since the Boston Convention tells me you are right. My experience in life says anything is possible and this could be the first time Kerry has "backed away from a fight". It wouldn't make sense but nothing does now.

Here's to Kerry fighting for us behind the scenes..because whatever ..this is bigger than Kerry or the monstrosity known as bush..this is our Country's life we're fighting for.

[still_one]

2. I couldn't agree with you more

In fact it is more clear to me that even though we may have lost by more, Dean should have been the candidate

[johntao]

6. whomever Bush chooses as nominees...

does not mean Democrats deserve to lose. C'mon dude, that's a little extreme.

[iamjoy]

8. Disappointed By Biden

I thought he was the one just so pissed about Geneva Convention Violations.

Look, in defense of these Democrats, after John Ashcroft just about anybody to the left of Genghis Khan looks like a champion on civil rights issues.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

22. Hasn't anyone here found it odd

how the Democrats - as a group - have gone so silent as soon as Kerry made that concession speech?

It's strangely telling, and, if you think in terms of "the dog that didn't bark," you would see something very interesting.

Van Gogh said, "You see what isn't there, and then you paint it."

Watch what's not happening, read up on the electoral process, and then have hope. It's not over.

[Cat Atomic]

42. No- it's not odd at all. It's completely in keeping with our Democratic

politicians' long trend of immediately and anxiously bending over whenever Republicans pull out the paddle.

[Ardee]

69. What are you reading

Alice in Wonderland? Look for what isn't there 'cause thats what Kerry is doing.....Uhhh sorry I live in a reality wherein one can only judge by what is said and implied. A concession speech before all the votes were even counted is implication enough for me, he talked of healing and working together with the new (not) administration to get things done.

You are either agendised or pinning false hopes on a nonexistent battle over votes...either way you lose.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

80. Your reality

is much narrower than mine.

In mine, I see all sorts of possibilities, and then I can work to make them come true.

In yours, you take what's given, and that's that.

I like mine better.

I'm reading the Constitution and various other related documents, since I've been a Constitutional lawyer for almost thirty years. That's why I see so much, and probably why you're rolling over and being fatalistic about it.

[Ardee]

82. It is very hard to see others

when you are fixated on that mirror.

My last response to you as talking to an egomaniac is a waste of time, sorry to be insulting but you post without considering that the point of view of others here is either important or differs from your prejudged opinion.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

85. Ah, you little cutie

Get someone to tickle you until you're crying from laughing so hard, and you'll feel better about all this Constitutional stuff.

You need a good tickling.

[Ardee]

86. hee

hee

[autorank]

9. We don't deserve the consequences of our weak party leaders!

But our Senators are a truly odd bunch. Here is the real question of the hour:

If there were pictures of Gonzalez personally involved in the torture, would Biden and Shumer still support him for AG?

And the answer is.....OF COURSE THEY WOULD!

They are pathetic jackasses!

We are on our own.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[kwolf68]

10. Who do you think Bush will nominate as AG?

Bobby Kennedy Jr?

Come on...if he doesn't nominate Bo Gritz I would be happy.

The fascist oligarchs own this puppy....Gonzalez is bad, but he could be worse.

Guess what...I know someone who lives in his neighborhood right off where 7 and the toll road meet in North Va....

He said Gonzalez is a stealth candidate...smart, not polarizing like Asscrof, but fairly ideological.

[zulchzulu]

11. Please help counting air...we'll say they are votes...invisible evidence

Kerry had no choice but to concede (which is not legally binding). Votes will be counted, but they will not be enough to win. There are legal attempts to count the votes going on now.

So many of the votes are untraceable. You can't count air and bring it into a court of law and expect not to be laughed out of the courtroom.

We got gamed by Diebold. I knew this would happen months ago. We needed to have a good 10% popular vote padding to outdo the BBV and other shady voting results.

Even people who want to do the usual kneejerk reaction by blaming Kerry admit we will never know the real count.

As for Gonzo, we need to stick it to him. That's another issue altogether. Don't lump them together and expect to be taken seriously.

[malatesta1137]

15. good 10%??

don't make me laugh. Some precincts had 4,000 votes for Bush with only 600 registered voters.

[zulchzulu]

17. I'm all for keeping up the investigations

The fact that Kerry conceded (and is continuing investigations on the voter fraud) is not legally binding.

The concession turned the attention away on him and made it so he and those working on voter problems can work on that without the goddamn corporate media attacking him.

If the popular vote was a lot closer (like in 2000), perhaps Kerry would not have conceded on November 3rd.

Yes, as I said before, Kerry need a much bigger pad of votes to really win decisively. As for me, I put in almost two years of heavy grassroots work to get Bush out and Kerry in. This election hurts...but we need to realistically look at the situation.

So many votes are not verifiable. Elections are not won by exit polls. Let's keep the investigations going, but mostly we should also spend more energy in deDiebolding the electoral process for 2006 and beyond.

[malatesta1137]

26. by 2006

all voting will be controlled by Diebold. It's over.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

23. Hang in there

I say it's not over.

It's not over.

[democratreformed]

33. FEAR, OLL.

That's what keeps me from listening much to what you are saying. I am so afraid of having false hope and seeing my hope smashed against a wall. I don't know if I could stand the disappointment and depression.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

39. Be brave

Dare to risk disappointment.

Nothing great is achieved without taking risks.

What do you have to lose?

If I'm wrong, we're simply right back where we are today.

What's wrong with hope? Especially informed hope?

Fear is just what the Republicans want you to feel. That's how they swayed so many people. Why would you give in to them?

Risk. Ain't nothing like it.

And we'll all live to fight another day, my friend. We really will.

[democratreformed]

46. I have never been a risk-taker.

I am learning though. And, you're right, I should not be paralyzed by fear. I'll do the reading you suggested.

And, I do feel that there is SOMETHING going on - I'm just not sure exactly what it is. So, yes, I think I'll do that reading.

Thank you for your kind words.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

60. Thank you.

I'm getting swatted at pretty good here by the naysayers.

Good for you. Taking a chance in something like this - just daring to be positive and hopeful - is the first step in defeating Shrub and his henchmen.

Thanks again for your kind words and your courage.

[bostonbabs]

73. thank you for the lesson

....it makes perfect sense....wait...don't show your cards....unless you have to.I cannot imagine a man with the tenacity that Kerry has exemplified his whole life has "gone away"

[The Straight Story]

75. Fear is what both parties were selling, and still are

From * will have us all in concentration camps to obl will nuke us. Fear is what awoke people. Fear is not a bad thing. Try rousing me when I am asleep by asking me for a glass of water and I may well roll over, try waking me by telling my house is on fire and see how fast I pay attention and jump to action.

Fear is a tool, both parties and groups (from du to fr) used it and still do today.

[Lizzie Borden]

67. Me too.

[UNIXcock]

12. OK, we see the angle but I still say BULLSHIT ...

... the Party will never die, and it is as strong as it's ever been!

[malatesta1137]

16. it might never die

but it's just as irrelevant as the Conservative or Green Parties are at this point. And as strong as ever? Please, what kind of drugs are you on?

[emulatorloo]

13. This reads like a John O'Neill Diatribe

"coward Senator John Roll Over Kerry" PLEASE!!!!!!!!


Do Dems really have to eat their own because Kerry narrowly lost to bush?

Interesting things from Bob Kerrey on Paula Zahn

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/08/pzn.01.html

<snip>



ZAHN: The former president, President Clinton, in a piece over the weekend suggested John Kerry lost for a number of reasons, particularly because he didn't think John Kerry connected in rural America with voters, particularly on moral issues, including the issue of gay marriage, and went on to say the Republicans had a clear message and a great messenger, that they used a culture war to leave the Democrats -- quote -- "demonized, cartoonized, as aliens."

Did they not understand the culture war going on in this country?

(CROSSTALK)

KERREY: President Clinton never faced an opponent as tough as George W. Bush. His father wasn't as tough and Bob Dole wasn't as tough.

George W. Bush is a very tough campaigner. He is an intuitive politician. He's an incumbent president. And he was an exceptionally difficult person for John Kerry under the best of circumstances.

ZAHN: Was John Kerry an intuitive campaigner?

KERREY: He's not as intuitive a politician as George Bush is. I mean, George W. Bush's father isn't as intuitive. I'm not as intuitive.

George Bush knows when to kiss the baby. And that's a hard thing to teach. In fact, it's an impossible thing to teach. He's very good on the street and he's good with the message. His message was, I will keep you safe, and the other guy won't. And when you are the incumbent, it's a much higher standard for an opponent to prove that you're wrong. So...

ZAHN: The American public, by and large, didn't think John Kerry was the guy to do that.

KERREY: That's correct, because the president had a case, a very simple case to make: I am the commander in chief. I won the war in Afghanistan, even though John Kerry supported it, even though, by the way, there's a credible case that the president's own negligence prior to 9/11 at least in part contributed to the disaster in the first place.

ZAHN: How so?

KERREY: Well, the 9/11 report says in chapter eight -- now that it's beyond the campaign, so the promise I had to keep this out of the campaign is over.

The 9/11 report in chapter eight says that, in the summer of 2001, the government ignored repeated warnings by the CIA, ignored, and didn't do anything to harden our border security, didn't do anything to harden airport country, didn't do anything to engage local law enforcement, didn't do anything to round up INS and consular offices and say we have to shut this down, and didn't warn the American people.

The famous presidential daily briefing on August 6, we say in the report that the briefing officers believed that there was a considerable sense of urgency and it was current. So there was a case to be made that wasn't made.

(CROSSTALK)

ZAHN: But what we continue to hear from this administration is that the threat was much too diffuse. There was no way you could zero in on the fact that al Qaeda was going to use jets as bombs and ram them into buildings.

KERREY: That is a straw man.

The president says, if I had only known that 19 Islamic men would come into the United States of America and on the morning of 11 September hijack four American aircraft, fly two into the World Trade Center, one into the Pentagon, and one into an unknown Pennsylvania that crashed in Shanksville, I would have moved heaven and earth. That's what he said.

Mr. President, you don't need to know that. This is an Islamic jihadist movement that has been organized since the early 1990s, declared war on the United States twice, in '96 and '98. You knew they were in the United States. You were warned by the CIA. You knew in July they were inside the United States. You were told again by briefing officers in August that it was a dire threat.

And what did you do? Nothing, so far as we could see on the 9/11 Commission. Now, that's in the report. And we took an oath not to talk about it during the campaign, I think correctly so, to increase the capacity of that commission's report to be heard by the people's Congress.

But the report, I think, it's difficult for a challenger. If I had been the challenger, it's difficult to make that case when you are running against an incumbent. He can stand back and say, oh, you're just grousing.

ZAHN: Oh, we couldn't connect the dots is what we heard.

Final question for you sir. In Falluja...

KERREY: Yes.

ZAHN: There are some Democrats that suggest that this incursion was delayed until after the election because of the vulnerability of the U.S. troops and this could be a very bloody campaign. Where do you stand? KERREY: Oh, I think it's likely it was delayed until after the election. And it's probably a smart thing to do. This is as much a political battle inside of Iraq as it is a military battle. And everybody knows that who has talked to people that's over there. So I think it's likely that it was.

ZAHN: Bob Kerrey, thanks for dropping by.

KERREY: You're welcome. Nice to see you.

ZAHN: Always appreciate your perspective.

<snip>

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. posted in wrong place.

[VivaKerry]

14. Not sure if I agree with you, buy I KNOW the world

didn't deserve to lose. And I think we will be hearing from them. I hope we do. Give bush some badly needed life lessons.

[JI7]

24. are you the one who was happy Tom Daschle lost ?

[malatesta1137]

27. I am happy he's not a leader anymore

what's wrong with that? I'm happy he's gone, I'm happy Gerhard is gone. I'm happy Terry McAuliffe is gone. Time for people with fucking BALLS as leaders.

[lil-petunia]

31. there you go.

Take a look at my letter to Senator Durbin of Illinois. I make the same point (general discussion -politics)

[Cornedwine]

34. Give him time....

He has a plan..I feel like they are working on it as we speak..

[Straight Shooter]

35. "Democrats deserved to lose" = "Americans deserve vote tampering"

I am a supporter of John Kerry. To call him a "coward" and a "roll over" because he doesn't do the bidding of those who aren't aware of what is going on behind the scenes is, frankly, a sad reflection of the one doing the name-calling. I can just see a coach running out onto the field at halftime and shouting out his tactics for the second half. :eyes:

Patience is a virtue. No crime can be prosecuted until it is committed and evidence is gathered and analyzed. It is imperative to understand that John Kerry has a prosecutorial mind.

That's enough of that. Either people accept that, or they don't.

[rman]

36. i hope, but i doubt,

that Kerry will come up with anything that makes a significant difference. and it's not because i think nothing is there to be found.

[malatesta1137]

50. Patience is a virtue?

You mean to tell me that Kerry is actually planing patiently to take office on Jan 20, 2005? If not, the hell with this patience is virtue nonsense.

[angrydemocrat]

65. EXACTLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't agree more!

[angrydemocrat]

66. My message was posted in wrong place.....................

It was ment to be posted as a response to straight shooter. I couldn't agree more with what they said.

[Straight Shooter]

76. Thank you, angrydemocrat

Wise men exercise patience. Fools, as we know, rush in where angels fear to tread.

[malatesta1137]

78. where is Kerry's patience leading him,

my exulted one? Four more years of Bush so far.

[Mr_Spock]

37. I'm rather fond of the "uplifting" nature of the post's title!

:(

[malatesta1137]

79. My intent was not to uplift, for sure

But to expose Dems' ineptitude and cowardliness.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Biden, hogging the camera and saying dumb things as usual.

A little surprised at Schumer. Kerry...yawn...he sold out with his vote for the war.

Opposition party? The Democrats? Don't make me laugh.

[Cheswick2.0]

49. I am not at all suprized at Schumer

He is a strong supporter of Israel and for some reason that always tends to translate to "it's okay to torture and kill Muslims/Arabs".
Biden is the same, I will bet Hillary votes for the guy too.

Wake up and smell the AIPAC.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

52. Thnks for the info. I haven't followed Schumer's career.

Biden usually is so good at making a complete ass of himself that he grabs all the attention.

As for Hillary, I gave up on her long ago. Her pandering abilities to AIPAC amounts to groveling.

[Generator]

54. Yeah but even if you go so far as to say the stupid country DESERVES

Bush, I don't think the world does.

I don't think Iraq does. Those soldiers that just lost their legs today in Iraq don't. I don't think the ozone layer does. I don't think that person that will be tortured because of some idiot voting in Idaho for Bush not realizing that YES it really does matter who you vote for, does.


However, I agree that if those that supposedly represent me-agree to confirm Gonzales, then I'm talking the Democrat away from my name. I will not be blind, I will not give into bullshit calls for "unity."

The Democrats better wake the fuck up and wake up fast. I guess it's up to us to give them the nudge. I dunno, mass protests? I was too young for the Sixties. I think we have its sequel.

But it's not just about the Democrats. The world is the loser. The sooner we stop thinking about overselves the better.

Democracy is the loser. It's not a ah ah game-we are not good enough so you deserve to lose-nah nah nah.

History is going to the dark side as I write this. Who's the loser?

Everybody.

[sangh0]

58. You assume maletesta cares about that

but if you were to review maletesta's posts over the many months, you'd see that the main concern is to criticize Dems.

[malatesta1137]

61. obviously

you haven't read 99% of my posts, you know nothing about me.

[Zorra]

57. Democrats deserved to lose because they did not get rid of the electronic

voting machines.

I can't help but wonder why....

It's not like we didn't warn them over and over and over.

[bluestatewannabe]

63. GW will never last 4 years without impeachment

Cheney won't fight us as hard because of the bum ticker. Then it will be Hillary in 08! Finally a feminist for President. She will get every woman's vote. Why didn't she run this time?

[malatesta1137]

72. that's uninformed at best

Bush will never be impeached as long as Repugnants control the House. Second, Hillary is a fantastic candidate, but with absolutely no chance at winning. 55% of Americans want to see someone like them in the White House, in other words, ignorant, bigoted, racist, uneducated and greedy.

[JudyM]

74. So why do you think that was the case? Just disorganized?

[quiet.american]

84. There goes Schumer again....

Not surprised he supports Gonzales, who should be in handcuffs.

Don't like Schumer. Never will.