My own personal experience with republican "family values"....

[Liberal Veteran]

....is my homophobic bigotted brother.

He got married to his best friend's sister shortly after he died one night in an auto accident after both of them had been drinking.

He then proceeded to procreate and rather than be truthful, he literally hid my existance from my niece and nephew even to the point of lying to their faces when I first met them at our grandmother's funeral.

He told me to my face that the reason was that his wife didn't want her children around gay people.

His wife, who I knew only briefly from high school called me a couple of times and apologised for my brother's behavior and that while she didn't agree with his decision to hide me from the kids, but that they discussed it and he wasn't ready to acknowledge me to them yet.

Of course, I was surprised as hell to find out that not only did my brother lie to his children, but he also lied to my face and put the blame on his wife.

Personally, I can do without values like that.

[Pacifist Patriot]

1. That's despicable!

Sadly, it sounds very much like what my family members would do should any of my cousins come out of the closet.

[Vincardog]

4. Don't forget these are the people who think calling someone Gay/Lesbian

is an attack instead of a statement of fact. Remember Terra-Tac-Dick's reaction? OOOH the shame the shame. Remember it is their shame let them own it.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

2. Damn

That's awful! :hug:

[Shoeempress]

3. I'm so sorry you were treated so horribly. Unfortunately the GOP seems

to drive folks nuts. My parents disowned me cuz I voted for Clinton. I guess we were just ahead of the curve. The up side, is I no longer have to listen to the diatribes and other crap from them and my life is actually much happier. It will eventually be semi-ok, at least it is for me, but it took a LOOONG TIME.

[displacedtexan]

5. Some of the best families...

aren't related by blood.

Your brother needs an education. He doesn't deserve you yet!

[NewInNewJ.]

6. I'm Sorry for your hurt

I'm sure we all have family members like that. I know I do.

[blm]

7. Republicans = Pharisees.

This world would be a much better place without Republican style values.

[seabeyond]

8. wow liberal, you can be my bro, wink

i married into a texas catholic family, hubby found out two younger brothers gay a month after we got married. i be liberal had not an issue, lol. my children will go to the fourth brother if they need a home.

[wicket]

9. What an asshole!!!

He doesn't deserve to have a sibling as good as you :hug:

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[Liberal Veteran]

11. Um, Clinton did NOT run the military into the ground.

And need I remind you who was in charge of CONGRESS (the people who actually hold the purse strings) during the overwhelming majority of his term?

Clinton not only did not accelerate the cuts proposed by the first Bush administration, he actually spent $2 billion more on defense than Bush Senior had projected for the 1994-1999 time frame. More importantly, the military that the current President Bush and his national-security team have correctly praised for performing so brilliantly on the battlefields in Afghanistan and Iraq was bequeathed to them by Clinton. The Bush defense budget went into effect Oct. 1, 2002, nine months after major fighting ended in Afghanistan and only five months before actual combat began in Iraq. None of the funds in this budget has had time to have any impact on the caliber of the men and women who went to war, their readiness for battle or the weapons they used. Based on the rhetoric of the Bush team and the 2000 campaign, one would not have believed that the Clinton military could overthrow two regimes with fewer battlefield casualties than the Marines suffered in Lebanon in 1983.

[NV Whino]

13. Grey Davis has his faults

But he used the surplus to bail California out of the energy debaucle that Enron created. It was the old rock and a hard place situation--he would have been fried whatever decision he made. I personally think he made the correct decision.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

14. Why not?

You're repeating all the same asinine talking points that they do.
And Clinton's military did a bang up job in Afghanistan, didn't they? Your boy didn't have time to pump up the military.

I think you're in the wrong place.

[coda]

15. " Not all Republicans hold absolutist opinions..."

Yet you've drank the kool-aid on dems and defense, from rw e-mails no doubt. To hold your opinion "based on the track record", you would have to ignore Cheney's proposed cuts as well as Rumsfeld's.

As far as this statement:

"Or on Recent Democrat Governors running a state into the ground (Grey Davis $2B in the black to $10B in the red in 6 years).


you might want to consider what the Tx Republican Governor did in less than 4 years, to this nation's deficits. California pales in comparison.

[rasbobbo]

17. look george

you bought it, you own it.
you bought the caricature of john kerry.
don't blame him.
you also, if you voted for bush, bought his whole record.
chew it up & swallow nice. you've already asked for seconds.

[Hobarticus]

12. Better off without him, IMO...

But I know it still hurts.

Hey, you've got all the brothers and sisters you need, right here!

[idiosyncratic]

16. I'm so sorry you have a brother like that

I will never understand homophobia. NEVER!!

One time I attended a church where the pastor gave a really stupid sermon about how he packed up his family (wife and three kids) after a gay cousin walked into a family Thanksgiving get-together.

He somehow thought that was a good example of "Jesus's love."

How did he explain to his kids that they didn't get to have Thanksgiving dinner with grandma and grandpa and the rest of the extended family that year?

Needless to say, I never went back to that church.

[Skittles]

18. good lord liberal_veteran

I have to say that both your brother and his wife sound like truly despicable people. I am sorry for you - and those kids. Is there ANY way you can stay in the lives of those kids? They need you.