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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:58 AM
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CAN DRAFT BE RIGGED? We need to start looking at this...
we know the votes were rigged, but what about the draft? We know it is coming, but do any experts out there know just how "selective" the selective service process can be? Seem rich white Bush voters won't be going to war...
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KingChicken Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:01 AM
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1. It's always been rigged, I don't know what to do
Right now i'm first in line if a draft were called, i'm very nervous, but I really don't know what we can do until it's started. Rummy will just write it off and say we are just fear-mongering.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:07 AM
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2. Of course it will be rigged.
Anyone who thinks the children of the rich or powerful will have to serve hasn't been paying attention.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:28 AM
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5. Drafting is done by Birth Date
If they still use the date of birth, which will be on the registartion form, how can it be rigged.

I beleive that if the draft is reinstated, it will use the same method
to determine who will be called up, and that is by the birth date of the men.

So the call up would be very difficult to tamper with. As for exemptions, at this time there are not many available. There is one for education, but that only allows the student to finish the year of
college that they are in. There is another for religious beliefs(pacifism), but even then proof has to be shown that you are a member
of one of the few churches that is against war, and you would still need statements showing that you practice the religion, and have practiced it.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:33 PM
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9. Are you old enough to remember Vietnam?
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 07:37 PM by bowens43
The sons and daughters of the wealthy and the powerful will not serve or at very least will never be in harms way.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:39 PM
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11. By your LOCAL Selective Service Board...
Looking at the LOCAL voter registration records of the selected victim before the LOCAL board sends out the "GREETINGS" letters!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:07 AM
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3. I warned you all about this when the Dems tried to pull that, "let's
support the draft" madness. If we don't trust our presidential elections, how can we trust the draft?
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:19 AM
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4. Bet they end up drafting many more from blue states
Wouldn't want to piss off their supporters in red america by having their children killed. OTOH, if the children of godless liberals are killed, why would they care?

Plus it is consistent with the pattern of blue states paying in to the federal treasury and the red states being supported by it
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:29 AM
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6. We need a DU lawyer who can answer these questions so we can
use the info in talking to media, others... ANY DU LAWYERS experienced in how draft works???
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:38 AM
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7. DemsWillWin has posted the
policy the Bush administration plans to go by. It is different than anything that has been used in America before, and hence no attorney has any experience with it that could be of added value at this point.

The policy is such that the rich & pampered will be considered to be serving their country by ..... being pampered. Do not think for a second that there is any chance that they will be treated the same as the moderately well-off families, much less the middle class and poor. In fact, the Bush draft will simply pay for their children's education, no more, nothing less.

We need to have an organized approach here. I wonder if it would not be worth considering a "5 point plan" on DU: this would entail having some of the more experienced people in five important areas (voter fraud; the draft;etc) lay-out an organizational plan that all DUers can {1} have a voice in; and {2} use for direct action.

This forum has the potenial to be used for some serious progressive works in the next few years.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:41 AM
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8. There are two drums, sealed and warehoused in Washington DC
This is my understanding from Mrs. gratuitous, who finished 20 years of service on the local draft board back in 2002:

Inside each of those drums are 366 little capsules, consecutively numbered. The first drum is turned a set number of times, and one of the little capsules is taken out. The person taking out the capsule hands it to another person, who breaks it open. That person then hands it to another person, who reads off the numberon the piece of paper inside the capsule, which is verified by another person standing next to him. The paper is then held up to be acknowledged by the folks in the room, and someone standing by a large chalkboard writes that number in the first space.

The second drum is then turned, and the same process is repeated. The numbers from one drum (I forget which) correspond to the order in which men will be called up for the draft, and the numbers from the other drum correspond to the dates of the year (capsule number 125, for example, would be May 4). If you were born on May 4, 1986, then you would be called up in order of what capsule came out of the other drum when capsule 125 came out of the birth date drum. The lower the number, the sooner you would be called.

Historically, there have been all sorts of ways to defer going into the service: In the Civil War, a person could buy his way out; during Vietnam, men could secure a deferments by going to college or working in an industry that supported the war effort.

The likelihood of the draft being "rigged," that is, worked so that a particular person would get a low draft number is pretty small, and the difficulties would probably not be worth the effort. It's far easier to set up a system of deferments that wealthy folks can take advantage of but whose cost would be prohibitive for others.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:35 PM
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10. you're right. poor white Bush voters will be going.
the rigging comes by making higher education a near-impossibility for the poor white trash of the south and midwest and the minority populations throughout the U.S.

this would lead to a natural shift toward more people being drafted who are on the lower socio-economic scale.

there's no reason to "RIG" it in the way you would a raffle or something.

our social stratification does a fine job of it.
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reddogbluedog Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:40 PM
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12. there is not going to be a draft the american people will not alow it
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:40 PM
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13. perhaps
by destroying registration cards, or deleting people from the database?
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