US Troops Reportedly Gassing Fallujah

[whosinpower]

Read this article with a grain of salt.....but.....

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-11/10/article05.shtml

snip - “They use chemical weapons out of despair and helplessness in the face of the steadfast and fierce resistance put up by Fallujah people, who drove US troops out of several districts, hoisting proudly Iraqi flags on them. Resistance has also managed to destroy and set fire to a large number of US tanks and vehicles.

“The US troops have sprayed chemical and nerve gases on resistance fighters, turning them hysteric in a heartbreaking scene,” an Iraqi doctor, who requested anonymity, told Al-Quds Press.

“Some Fallujah residents have been further burnt beyond treatment by poisonous gases,” added resistance fighters, who took part in Golan battles, northwest of Fallujah.

In August last year, the United States admitted dropping the internationally-banned incendiary weapon of napalm on Iraq, despite earlier denials by the Pentagon that the “horrible” weapon had not been used in the three-week invasion of Iraq.

[eataTREE]

1. You'll forgive me if I don't find this entirely credible.

[Dufaeth]

3. This is as credible as Fox

[eataTREE]

4. Precisely.

[Democracy Died 2004]

5. Credible or not we should treat it

as truth. This is the game that the repug evil plays. I say it is true.

[happynewyear]

6. We used napalm against them, why not gas too?

<< Iraqi Defense Minister Hazem Al-Shaalan had said Tuesday, November 9, would be decisive.

“Al-Shaalan declaration meant nothing but the use of chemical weapons and poisonous gases to down Fallujah fighters,” observers told Al-Quds Press.

The reported gassing stands as a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurdish community in the northern city of Halbja in 1988. >>

and

<< “Some Fallujah residents have been further burnt beyond treatment by poisonous gases,” added resistance fighters, who took part in Golan battles, northwest of Fallujah.

In August last year, the United States admitted dropping the internationally-banned incendiary weapon of napalm on Iraq, despite earlier denials by the Pentagon that the “horrible” weapon had not been used in the three-week invasion of Iraq. >>

I know the napalm claim is correct. Did you not see Fahrenheit 911? Victims of napalm are shown in the film so yeah, its for real alright, believe it or live in denial if you wish.

:kick:

[whosinpower]

10. WEll. the pentagon

denied using napalm....because it was a different chemistry - it was STILL a firebomb.

So - perhaps they have renamed these chemicals as well......

Just because this has not hit US media - does not necessarily make it false. Although - I am somewhat skeptical as well - the current media blackout with exception to embedded reporters gives us absolutely no clear picture what is really happening there. AND - I have no trust whatsoever in what Rumsfeld says.

[zeek]

23. We did not drop napalm in 2003

The reports you're reading are wrong. U.S. Marines did drop a small amount of it in 1991, although I think it was dropped on Kuwait not Iraq.

Don't get the wrong idea here though, we didn't hold back on napalm because it is inhumane. Napalm was designed over 60 years ago and we chose not to drop it becuase modern cluster munitions are far more deadly (and inhumane). We dropped a tons of CBU series cluster bombs on Iraq in 2003, they are far more inhumane then napalm would have been. As an added bonus, due to the high dud rate, the cluster bombs will be killing Iraqis for years to come.

[riverwalker]

24. cluster bombs are hideous

In Afghanistan, they were yellow, the same color as the food packets that were airdropped. Children would pick them up expecting a treat, and get blown to pieces.
(welcome to DU, zeek :hi: )

[daleo]

31. There were many reports of the use of a napalm like agent in the invasion

Specifically, an Iraqi listening post just over the border from Kuwait was supposed to have been hit by a napalm like agent.

Here are a couple of sources. Most people feel that the U.K. newspaper The Independent is a very credible source.

US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
10 August 2003


American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on Iraqi troops during the advance on Baghdad. The attacks caused massive fireballs that obliterated several Iraqi positions.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=432201


http://www.thehandstand.org/archive/september2003/articles/napalm.htm

[burrowowl]

30. I doubt it

gassing at close range is just as dangerous for the offense as the defense.
WWI proved that. By the November 11 is ARMISTICE DAY!

[Ducks In A Row]

7. you mean like the reports of torturing prisioners?

any bets they made sure the troops didn't have any digital cameras with them this time?

[DrWeird]

2. Wouldn't put it past them.

We torture and rape after all.

[billyoc]

8. What's going to stop rummy from using that stuff,

the Geneva Convention? :eyes:

FWIW, I don't think that story is the truth. Gas is a little too unpredictable to use that close to your own troops.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. did the US bomb a hospital there?

My husband said he heard it on CNN (which I refuse to watch). Is there any evidence this is true?

[LynnTheDem]

11. US Strikes Raze Falluja Hospital

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-06.htm

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. Thank you for the link

This appears to be credible. Who can indict Bush for war crimes in the World Court?

[PsychoDad]

38. "we" (the US) took out the hospitals early on.

We bombed the hospitals just before the assault. Last time we did this sort of thing those pesky doctors kept telling the world about the high number of civilian causualties.

The crusade insured that there would be no pesky doctors or hospitals for the aid and comfort of injured women and children this time.

Salaams and
Eid Mubarak

[GreenArrow]

12. phosphorus rounds

mentioned in an article posted on DU yesterday. Cause the skin to melt right off.

[daleo]

13. Might be mistaking white phosphorus effects for gas

Another thread in LBN said they were using white phosphorous, which has some very dreadful effects too.

[whosinpower]

15. Is that not a chemical weapon??????

Dear lord - THIS is what our taxdollars are being so hard spent on - creating more horrible ways to kill a person.....

When I was young, I read allot on what the germans did in the second world war. The bile used to ride up my throat as I read the things they did to people...and I often wondered how it was that a government could become so inhuman, so debased in the simple concept of humanity - and I insulated myself by thinking we could never become that horrible, that awful, that inhuman - and now.....I wonder...how are we any better knowing that we are so busy creating weapons that melt skin right off bone....jesus...where has our humanity gone?

So - my insulation grows thin against the rising tide of information that the US trully is a roque nation. Benevolent hegemony??????? PULEESE......

[RegexReader]

26. also could be standard smoke

,if I recall correctly is HC, which can cause respiratory irritations in large concentrations. But not toxic by any stretch of the imagination.

RegexReader
$USA =~ s/Republican/Democrat/ig;

[Djinn]

14. while I also wouldn't exactly say this is an unbiased source

then again neither is anything else - EVERYONE has a bias, but seriously how could you dismiss it on previous evidence? in the last 50 years+ the US (and it's NOT alone) has used almost every chemical/gas etc it can get it's hands on in war.

[indigolady]

16. Wow...what an amazing link.

not just that article, but the site is rich with love and forgivness, and spirituality. For those of us who do not know too much about Islam, this is the place to go. Thank you.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

19. Thank you for taking the time to explore Islam

which, despite all the propaganda from extremists on many sides, is a faith of peace and understanding. It is truly a living brotherhood/sisterhood. When I am among Muslims, especially my fellow Sufis, I feel I am with family, even if I haven't met them before. I have never felt such warm acceptance in any other place.

[DireStrike]

22. Yeah, Christianity too.

Unfortunately... people suck. =(

[Nordic]

27. it's pure propaganda, nothing more

I mean c'mon, how much more obvious can you get.

It sounds like Soviet or Nazi stuff. Transparent

[rockydem]

18. "resistance sources"

It's not credible, at all.

[MasonJar]

20. We know the Pentagon uses depleted uranium; why not gases?

[DireStrike]

21. "Baghdad bob" anyone?

"There are no American details in Baghdad! Never!"

[Groucho Marxist]

25. Gassing?

US troops are gassing Fallujah, this says?

Well, MREs ARE a bit hard on the digestive tract, but I think the report may be a bit overstated. :evilgrin:

Gee, that's funny...I was just SURE that we don't have any chemical weapons in our inventory except tear gas and its various relatives. Oh, and little bottles of Tabasco sauce!


Consider the source. We're not gassing anybody. Reality check.



Groucho.


"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

[Zynx]

28. Junk

The US doesn't even have operational chemical weapons.

Like other people said, treat as FOX.

[daleo]

29. I don't necessarily believe the claims of U.S. using chemical weapons

But neither would I believe the claim that the military doesn't possess them. There may be some legal obfuscation about whether what is possessed is "operational". If it isn't, it could no doubt be made so in a very short time frame.

[PsychoDad]

39. Depends on the definition...

Of "chemical weapon"...

While it may not be Phosgene or Mustard gas, I'm sure that they have and are using, at the very least, Tear gas and other chemical irritants to help clear out the buildings.

[JSJ]

32. you must support the troops- you must support the troops- you are...

...getting sleepy. Very Sleepy! Now, when I snap my fingers you will wake up refreshed with a yellow ribbon tattoed to your forehead. Snap!

[Swamp Rat]

35. SLEEEEEP...

[RedTail Wolf]

33. Very BAD propaganda...........

I do not support this war as I see it as an illegal invasion of a sovereign country, but I think this report is probably propaganda and nothing more. Wish our media was able to report the truth about what is going on over there. The Bushies are taking the freedom of the press away from us.
What's next?

Got to take it to the streets folks!

March on Washington!
RedTail Wolf

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. Reminds me of a WMD's story I heard not to long ago. (nt)

[Kinkistyle]

36. Already using cluster bombs and precision nukes. Whats a lil gas?

Now with stuff like microwaves and lasers, not too mention the conventional method of just dropping bombs willy nilly all over the darn place. Gas seems so blase now :eyes:

[nine23]

37. In my effort to understand Islam and the Middle East...

...I started looking into islamonline.net in the late 1990's.

This site, which started out as a rather noble effort by students at the University of Cairo, has degenerated into just another radical "lite" Islamic website, esp. post 9.11.

Too bad, really...I shit you not, it used to be quite progressive and liberal by Egyptian standards.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

40. Please

Give me a fucking break. Not even Bush would sanction chemical weapons, first because they're totally not necessary, second because there would indeed be a legitimate outcry.

DTH

[JSJ]

41. chemical weapons are necessary to chemical weapons manufacturers

The same ones that give big money to that little fascist's political campaigns. Don't you think Bush returns the favors?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

42. No

Take off the tinfoil hat and step away from the keyboard.

:crazy:

DTH

[JSJ]

44. i am now away from the kb (never had the foil on)- name your real...

...refutation, if you dare.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

45. My "Real" Refutation?

Bush is not going to use chemical weapons on Iraqis -- especially when the usage is not necessary, would cause an enormous international outcry greater than anything close to what we've seen so far, and could really result in a war crimes charge -- just for several thousand or even a million dollars from people who are already in his corner no matter what.

DTH

[JSJ]

46. just wondering because '41' made it possible for Iraq's Saddam...

...to have WMDs, including gas and chemical. Still think that fucking bunch in DC wouldn't use them?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

47. Saddam Using Chemical Weapons Is One Thing

US troops using them is another thing entirely.

DTH

[JSJ]

48. not really- allies aren't allies without a reason- and Saddam & '41'...

...were allies. I'd say '43' and '41' are allies, too.

[Jack_DeLeon]

43. I seriously fucking doubt...

that we are using nerve gas or blistering agents in Iraq.

Maybe Napalm (or atleast the new stuff that they use since they can claim they arent using "napalm" because technically it isnt) or white phosphorus.

Hell technically even using Tear Gas for military purposes would be considered the same as using chemical weapons according the geneva conventions, I wouldnt be suprised if we were using it though. Seeing how much we ignore the Geneva Conventions.

But I dont think we are using "real" chemical weapons.

[mitchtv]

49. yeah and Saddam had a bombs ready to hit Europe

in 45 mins. ,too. Funny thing about credibility, when youlose it, its hard to get back