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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:30 PM
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Shouldn't Gonzalez' Nomination Unleash the Abu Torture Video?
It's time.
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Francesca Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:32 PM
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1. yes that would be appropriate
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fugue Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:33 PM
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2. Yes, but . . .
logic no longer has anything to do with how the US functions. We were always logic challenged, but now we're without logic entirely.
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:35 PM
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3. and re-highlight the Plame Investigation, and Enron and Cheney's...
.. energy task force, and Halliburton.


See Alberto Gonzales - The "Cliff Notes" Version for more info.

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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:35 PM
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4. America has spoken on that topic. We now approve of torture.
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 07:05 PM by 0rganism
All those brown people in naked pyramids and body bags were terrorists.

That is the New & Improved Truth.

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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:39 PM
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6. Well, as far as the media
are concerned....

what about Abu Gharib? What do you mean?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:38 PM
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5. Most Americans don't consider what happened there to be torture
Hence the lack of general outrage.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:41 PM
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7. At least an art show






Monday May 24, 2004
The Guardian

To have the American effort in Iraq summed up by these images must seem, to those who saw some justification in a war that did overthrow one of the monster tyrants of modern times, "unfair". A war, an occupation, is inevitably a huge tapestry of actions. What makes some actions representative and others not? The issue is not whether they are done by individuals (ie, not by "everybody"). All acts are done by individuals. The question is not whether the torture was the work of a few individuals but whether it was systematic. Authorised. Condoned. Covered up. It was - all of the above. The issue is not whether a majority or a minority of Americans performs such acts but whether the nature of the policies prosecuted by this administration and the hierarchies deployed to carry them out makes such acts likely.

Considered in this light, the photographs are us. That is, they are representative of distinctive policies and of the fundamental corruptions of colonial rule. The Belgians in the Congo, the French in Algeria, committed identical atrocities and practised torture and sexual humiliation on despised, recalcitrant natives. Add to this corruption, the mystifying, near-total unpreparedness of the American rulers of Iraq to deal with the complex realities of an Iraq after its "liberation" - that is, conquest. And add to that the overarching, distinctive doctrines of the Bush administration, namely that the United States has embarked on an endless war (against a protean enemy called "terrorism"), and that those detained in this war are "unlawful combatants" - a policy enunciated by Rumsfeld as early as January 2002 - and therefore "do not have any rights" under the Geneva convention, and you have a perfect recipe for the cruelties and crimes committed against the thousands incarcerated without charges and access to lawyers in American-run prisons that have been set up as part of the response to the attack of September 11 2001. Endless war produces the option of endless detention, which is subject to no judicial review.

So, then, the real issue is not the photographs but what the photographs reveal to have happened to "suspects" in American custody? No: the horror of what is shown in the photographs cannot be separated from the horror that the photographs were taken - with the perpetrators posing, gloating, over their helpless captives. German soldiers in the second world war took photographs of the atrocities they were committing in Poland and Russia, but snapshots in which the executioners placed themselves among their victims are exceedingly rare. (See a book just published, Photographing the Holocaust by Janina Struk.) If there is something comparable to what these pictures show it would be some of the photographs - collected in a book entitled Without Sanctuary - of black victims of lynching taken between the 1880s and 1930s, which show smalltown Americans, no doubt most of them church-going, respectable citizens, grinning, beneath the naked mutilated body of a black man or woman hanging behind them from a tree. The lynching photographs were souvenirs of a collective action whose participants felt perfectly justified in what they had done. So are the pictures from Abu Ghraib.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1223344,00....
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