Fallujah Is Prelude To War In Iran

[Yavin4]

Fallujah is designed to not work. Sure, we'll hold the city, but the insurgency will continue. Soon, you'll hear the Bush admin start saying that Iran is behind the insurgency, and that we cannot achieve our objectives in Iraq because of Iran. Next year will be the run-up to war in Iran.

[DELUSIONAL]

1. That would be a logical next step for psychopaths

[AlamoDemoc]

2. When that day comes...

I wouldn't want to be in Tehran....

[Daisey Mae]

8. Iran has nuclear missiles

I wouldn't want to be an American Soldier.... Iran will destroy our army and trap then kill it. Bush knows it but doesn't care.....Iran won't mind bombing Iraq but America will never invade Iran and live to tell about it.... Syria maybe....

[theHandpuppet]

9. Iran is not Iraq...

... ie, a fourth rate military from a country whose populace suffered terribly both under sanctions and the rule of a brutal dictator. Iran is a much larger country, both in area and populace, and a great deal of the terrain is mountainous. And unlike Iraq, the Iranians really DO have some WMDs. Iraq would look like a cakewalk compared to an invasion of Iran -- count on it. Only a certified suicidal nutball would even think of invading Iran.

[Yavin4]

13. Only a certified suicidal nutball would even think of invading Iran.

I'm George Bush, and I approve your sentiments.

[kranich]

3. Maud'Dib

has started his Jihad. It's time to stick him with a gom jabbar.

[lutherj]

4. And that will be the unexpected contingency that necessitates the draft.

[LuminousX]

10. One part of the new trifecta

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. Fallujah is designed to not work

I don't think that there is any design to any of this. They are using the only method that the military knows how to use, brute force. Remember, the state department isn't involved with Iraq, it was handed over to the military by chimp/cheney. And the resultant heavy handed process is the only direction it could have possibly followed.

[SnowGoose]

6. USA and what army?

Not that they wouldn't like to, but where are they going to get the people? Draft? The only way they could politically survive enacting a draft would be to stage another attack in the US.

Going into Iran would be *supreme* folly, and even the sycophant chiefs of staff would tell them that to their face.

[jmowreader]

15. You're overlooking two things

One is that Bush doesn't HAVE a political future--in January 2009 (if not before) he's a Retired President anyway, so he can do any fucking thing he wants without repercussions to himself. A draft would probably (bigtime weasel word there, folks) kill any chances of the Repugs going into 2007 with a majority in Congress, but Bush only sees non-Bush-family members as tools to achieve his goals; so long as PNAC gets what it wants, Bush probably doesn't give a shit about the Republicans in Congress.

The other is that there are bin Ladens in Bush's Rolodex. If he absolutely needs an attack in the United States, he can get one.

[denverbill]

7. You're getting ahead of the game. First the terrorists have to hit again.

We've already blamed 9-11 on Osama and Saddam, so we can't reasonably expect anyone to believe Iran was part of that.

So we'll see another major terrorist strike in the US, by Osama. The draft will be reinstated. Then the games will begin, redirecting blame towards Iran (or Syria, still can't decide).

Our military is already stretched way too thin. There is no way in hell it can stage another invasion/occupation at this point without more manpower and the freepers just aren't signing up. It will take another terrorist attack to allow Bush to 'reluctantly, grudgingly' approve a draft, much as it forced him to 'reluctantly, grudgingly' spend the Social Security surplus and run massive budget deficits because he hit the trifecta.

[David Zephyr]

11. Disagree. Here's Why:

Bush's neocon advisers, the Saudis and Ariel Sharon will want Bush to make war with Iran, but it won't happen.

My only thread after the election thus far, Yavin4, has been about Iran. Of course, it dropped like a lead pipe in a pond when I wrote it the day after the election when most here were still wallowing in the defeat of John Kerry.

I'm glad to see someone else addressing the issue, even though I see it a bit differently than you.


"The Winner of the U.S. 2004 Election? The New Nuclear Power, Iran"
Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x16512

[Yavin4]

14. See, You're Making The Mistake That There's Rationality In

the Bush admin. You're a reasonable, rational, and logical person. These traits are seen as weakness amongst the neocons. They believe that they're making history, and they don't care if a few of America's lower class have to pay the price for their victory. Hell, Paul Wolfowitz, Pentagon Deputy, had no idea how many casualties there were in Iraq when testifying before Congress this past Spring. They don't care that we don't have enough troops, and they'll bring back the draft if they have to.

If Iran takes control of Iraq, say goodbye to the Halliburton oil fields. No, Bush wants to control both Iraq and Iran. That's the real end-game to all of this.

[David Zephyr]

17. Bush Wants To, But Can't.

"If Iran takes control of Iraq, say goodbye to the Halliburton oil fields. No, Bush wants to control both Iraq and Iran."

Yavin4, I completly agree with you.

And I think that you and I correctly see Iran as the issue that is most concerning the Bush White House.

I'm with you in that he will want to invade, will be pushed to invade. But I think he'll back away.

[Chicago Democrat]

18. The military will overrule him IMO, Iran is too big...

and us invading their country just wont work.. We could kill a million Iran and they would still fight us stronger than ever....

Sure Tehran would be bombed, but I doubt that would do much but cause them to invade IRaq. How large is the Iranian Army?

Talk about the Zulu War... Isnt their 60 million Iranians?

[David Zephyr]

19. They Will Overrule Him.

Bush will let Iran have Iraq. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x16512

[durutti]

12. It will be used as an excuse to cancel the elections. n/t

[Carl Brennan]

16. Watch activity in Oman! Chalmers Johnson's book "Sorrows of

Empire" points to a possible move against Iran because of a military buildup in Oman. Oman is a key staging area.

Any Omani's or press people from that area??

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[Zero Gravitas]

20. Wrong direction

Iran is to the East. Mediggo is to the North West. Therefore they'll invade Syria next.