Sodomy Is NOT A Civil Right

[Placebo]

Alexandria Hassell, 8, holds up a sign during a anti-gay marriage rally at the Statehouse, Tuesday, March 16, 2004, in Providence, R.I. Family values, traditional values and now, 'moral values.' Most American adults would say they have them, and yet that two-word phrase is the focus of an ideological tug-of-war heightened by President Bush's re-election, with conservatives declaring principal ownership and liberals scrambling to challenge them.

>>> *sigh* 'Value Voters' all, I'm sure.

[seraph]

1. Ask these fundies if they practice oral sex... oh wait... nevermind. (nt)

[Hello_Kitty]

4. If they did they'd be happy, hence, not fundies. n/t

[tsuki]

14. If we're lucky,

they don't have sex at all. Abstinence, brethren, abstinence.

[0007]

90. Straight up and down fucks that follow the letter of the bible.

[bigtree]

99. oh yeah

they suck

[Warren DeMontague]

2. .....It's a Civic Duty!

n/t

[Kipepeo]

10. *lol*

[ET Awful]

LMAO

Nicely said :)

[donheld]

51. And i'm a loving civil servant

:evilgrin:

[MsAnthropy]

3. That is child abuse

[Cobalt Violet]

16. Agreed!

If I was there I would have asked that child what sodomy was.

[GreenPartyVoter]

57. I am with you there!

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[NoSheep]

62. So the kid gets a slap on the mouth when asking: Hey daddy....

WTF is sodomy?

[rockydem]

5. My right to do what I want in my own house is a fuckin' America right

You goddamn fascist Bible-thumping ignorant fool.

Some states define sodomy as including oral sex. Personally, if I want to go down on my gf, which I love to do - IT'S NONE OF YOUR GODDAMN FUCKIN' BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rooboy]

6. However, jamming a vibrator up your butt is a-ok. n/t

[Doohickie]

91. A-a-a-a-a-a-r-r-r-r-r-r-e-e-e

y-y-y-o-o-o-u-u-u s-s-s-u-u-u-r-r-r-e-e-e-?-?

G-g-g-g-g-g-o-o-o-o-o-o-d-d-d-d-!-!-!

[Kipepeo]

Then neither is missionary position

really...what does this sign even mean? I doubt the kid knows.

[LostInAnomie]

7. Awww... aint that sweet.

I bet in about 10 years she'll be acting like it is.

[Comicstripper]

19. Haha nt

[lightbulb]

32. LOL - but she'll still be carrying the sign around

Just like her dad. Silly, hypocritical humans.

[Catfight]

8. So, does this little girl know what sodomy is? Isn't that sweet, she's

taught such words and meanings at such a nice young age. This child should not be in that type of 'family' values home, how utterly disgusting. These people are so sick and twisted, how could anyone want to be associated with them? They are the true freaks of society.

[seaj11]

77. And THEY'RE the value voters?

And they're making that little girl hold up a sign about SEX?! Gods help me, I just don't get these people. :wtf:

[seraph]

9. Hey Placebo

Where did you find this?

[Placebo]

13. Yahoo! News Photos

[seraph]

18. I know that fucker.... I'm in RI... wait....

[Burma Jones]

11. Jeez, you know, the wife and I just don't like that whole, well,

"missionary" thing. Did you know that Sodomy has, in some states, been defined as any sex other than that good old traditional type.........

Also, WTF is an 8 year old doing addressing Sodomy?

[deutsey]

12. So, vaginal penetration is a civil right?

Who knew?

:eyes:

[lightbulb]

40. hmm, that would make imprisonment without conjugal visits

a violation of one's civil rights. Very interesting.

[JudyM]

43. What a concept!

[jmowreader]

46. But only vaginal penetration that leads to pregnancy

And that's only a civil right if you swear you will bring it to term, raise it yourself in a loving two-parent home, and teach it to love God and hate gays, liberals, Jews, Muslims, Catholics, anyone who's not quite as Christian as you, all followers of polytheistic religions, anyone with a Darwin fish on the back of his car...

[skypilot]

15. Does that child even know what sodomy is?

Did her parents sit down and explain it to her and then make her hold this sign? Sick.

[Cleita]

21. I thought so too.

Shouldn't someone report her parents to social services?

[Cleita]

17. Are they going to be coming into the bedroom now

to tell you what kind of sex you are permitted to have? I mean sodomy isn't exclusive to homosexuality. A lot of heteros do it too.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

20. What's with the half-filled-in 'O'?

Methinks they misspelled it "SADOMY" before someone caught.

The Morans.

[Doohickie]

94. Well, you know, that poster board shur is 'spensive

over et Wall Martt!

[Cuban_Liberal]

22. It IS a civil right.

The government's right to 'regulate' my life ends at my front door.

:grr:

[MnFats]

23. I confess! I confess! I give up!

30-some year practitioner of sodomy here.
Hope the wife isn't too upset when I tell her there'll be no more of that.
OK< take me away.
Damn, just when I thought I had gotten good at it!

[Comicstripper]

24. No, but equal treatment under law and freedom from discrimination is...

[HeeBGBz]

34. From what I've heard

"Ask these fundies if they practice oral sex... oh wait... nevermind."

They can, but only if it's for reproduction...

[PatGund]

67. Sodomy for Reproduction???

Isn't that how Neocons and Freepers are concieved??

Or are they just the result of a few too many bad burritos?

[seabeyond]

25. and did they sit down and explian

sodomy to this 8 year old child. this is the sick who they are. having 5 year olds look at did fetus so they can rally with parents.

[Sin]

26. Why do i get the feeling

that that 8 year old there can only correlate the word sodomy with turning people to salt because I'm pretty sure her fundie parents are waiting for her wedding day to give her the birds and the bees talk. because any time before that would be infecting her with sin.

[cally]

105. I think that girl is about 4 or 5

She's very young and this is disgusting. What type of parent would want their young child to hold such a sign. :puke:

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[LostInAnomie]

41. DAMN!

Now DU has the class it had been lacking.

[sweetheart]

106. Oh well, can't use SOME pictures to make a point

Which is: that many people have anal sex... sodomy, many more than
simply homosexuals... and the picture was photographic proof.

Yes, i got my moderator warning for posting sexually explicit
content. It seems a photo of a totally natural act is a crime,
and yet debasing peoples civil rights is not.

THe shades of gray in our wierd puritain society never cease to
amaze.

[LostInAnomie]

107. I think they are just trying to keep DU from becoming a porn site.

Other than that though I don't have a problem with it.

Hell, she looked like she was into it.

[Dark]

28. Does she even know what sodomy means?

God, I HATE IT when either side tries to use kids to influence voters. It is disgusting.

[seraph]

29. This is the freeptard responsible for this shit.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1233823/posts


Rhode Island doesn't even have a same-sex marriage question.

Nor was it considering one.

[Sin]

35. You know whats missing from that set of pics

Tanks.

[seraph]

42. The "SS" ? (nt)

[ReadTomPaine]

59. LOL, sharp commentary.

[Phillycat]

44. Sounds like a great party! Cool music, too!

Musical praise was once again graciously provided by the Christian band - "Sing for Him":


Rock on!!

[seraph]

60. Those freeptard/fundies sure know how to PAHTAY!!

We're lucky that they are a very small minority in RI.

[Doohickie]

96. Is it possible to have a "big" minority in Rhode Island?

I mean, wouldn't it overflow into Connecticut or something?

Also, a quote from the freeper thread:

"Marriage - One Man, One Woman, One God"

Soooo.... they like menage-a-trois???

('scuse my French!)

[seraph]

110. No, not so much. Which is why we know who the freeptards are. (nt)

[Dukkha]

74. You can bet at that rally...

at least half the participants have been or will be divorced.
at least one speaker said "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" (they never get tired of that one)
The band really REALLY sucked

[seraph]

83. That actually WAS one of the signs!

Bunch of brainless, non-creative types.:crazy:

[Blue_Tires]

30. why wasn't that child in school??

here's to hoping that she grows up to be a reasonable, intelligent adult that learns to enjoy a little 'sodomy' in the privacy of her own home

[Nordic]

31. gee, I have serious "moral problems" re: making a kid hold that sign

if that isn't fucked up, I don't know what is

[seraph]

33. There is so much more to this story!!!

The guy who organized this shit in Rhode Island, stood children with these types of signs on a main street as human shields.

The kids had rocks thrown at them and took lots of abuse from Providence's very progressive community.

Nice moral values asshole.

[Placebo]

36. That's just pure evil.

[seraph]

47. Meet the enemy

http://dadstoday.com/diaries/joe/index.htm

[Phillycat]

50. Sounds like a real hoot of a guy.

"Allow me to introduce myself to you. My full name is Joseph Ray Robinson, but you can call me Joe. I live in Rhode Island with my wife Jess and our 8-month-old baby girl Autumn Raelia."

Autum Raelia? What is "Raelia"? Is that a species of humanoid aliens on Star Trek?

[seraph]

54. It's so much worse...

Because RI is such a small state, we tend to know who people are.

Someone pulls shit like this here and everyone knows about it.

The guy's a freak and total low life.

[MountainLaurel]

104. Weren't the Raelians

Related to the Heavens Gate cult of purple shroud and matching Reebok fame?

[Dark]

37. Someone should ask him if sex involving a fillafel is sodomy. . .

[JudyM]

48. Or loofah usage nt

[MsAnthropy]

38. Let's hope freepers' kids totally rebel against their parents' "values"

or the next generation is doomed.

[SnowGoose]

39. I think the federal courts differ with you professor...

After the Texas "anti-sodomy" law was thrown out, most people seem to see that as the end of making anal intercourse illegal.

The question is not how people do it, but if we're going to encourage people to form stable, committed, and legally-recognized couples, or not.

People are going to 'do it' however their instincts tell them. That'll *never* change.

[m_welby]

45. As a Rhode Islander I apologize

for these people and their crazy ideology. I have no excuse other than the fact that our founding father (Roger Williams) was cast out of a Fundie community and founded a colony based on religious FREEDOM. (but I guess they don't get that).

[seraph]

56. I moved here from Boston - I might go back. (nt)

[CornField]

49. What a shame for that little girl

Her parents shove a sign in her hands with words she can't even read... much less understand.

[immoderate]

52. What would they say...

...if we had an eight year old girl holding a sign that said, "Sex is Good!" much less Sodomy is a Civil Right.

--IMM

[Madame X]

53. Isn't that lovely

What a sad, little man her father is (if that is her father in the picture).

[donheld]

55. Moran in training

i can just hear little Alexandria Hassell asking "daddy what's sodomy"?


BTW is hate a civil right?

[Placebo]

64. My thoughts exactly.

[UdoKier]

58. People still say "sodomy"? How quaint.

Isn't that like "miscegenation" - a word only used in seriousness by the lunatic fringe of society?

Anyway, why is there no Gomorrahy?

[seraph]

61. More from those responsible for this.

http://www.rallyformarriage.org/

Disgusting that these cowards use children to spread their hate.

[krkaufman]

63. God god, how moral is it to involve an 8-year-old...

... and have her holding a sign about Sodomy?

[troubleinwinter]

65. Uhmmm, actually, I think it is...

Privacy and all that kinda stuff.

[bobbyboucher]

71. Don't forget liberty

and pursuit of happiness.

[methinks2]

66. what the hell is a child doing with a poster like that?

No 8 year old child should be informed about sodomy. To involve that small child is sexual abuse of the child. Good Grief!!!

[Kahutec]

69. Her father told her it says sadmommy!

[caught on a limb]

68. Well...

that about does it; I'm packing up & moving to Gomorrah.

[Steely_Dan]

70. Silly, Silly Republicans

[southpaw]

72. My wife's response to this pic:

"And what does a child that age really know about civil rights...except that daddy doesn't believe in them?"

Is it any wonder I love her so?

[PhuLoi]

73. Perhaps she's trying to get a message out about life with dad.

Eyewww, I grossed myself out.

[Dukkha]

75. and they will STILL blame Clinton

for their kids learning about oral sex from the news.

Dumbasses!

[Placebo]

78. Hmm, Sodomy talk from parents...

vs. oral sex talk in the news.

Decisions, decisions...

[phylny]

76. Put your money where your mouth is, idiots...well, poor choice of words?

What I mean is, neither is adultery or divorce. I want to see them outlaw BOTH if they go after homosexuality.

And, I cannot conceive of having an eight-year-old child hold that sign.

What is WRONG with people?

[Jack Schitt]

79. Family values? Traditional values? If that's the case...

then why in the hell is the little girl holding a sign about sodomy????

Their parents are a bunch of phonies!

[Redleg]

80. It's not a civil wrong, either.

It's actually none of anybody's business as long as it is between two consenting adults.

[Logansquare]

81. I'm not easily shocked, but that is outrageous. n/t

[NYC Liberal]

82. And now with Bush, freedom of speech won't be either!

Oh joy!

[MassLiberal]

84. who gave that child that sign?

They ought to be ashamed of themselves. Exploitation at its finest. Great "moral values" on parade.

[Sparkly]

85. Unbelievable!!!

:crazy: :wtf: :crazy:

[killbotfactory]

86. I need a "Stupid slogans are not a valid arguement!" sign,.

hmm...

[Maestro]

87. These republican pos's (excluding the poor child)

They think they have the moral high ground with their self-righteous, holier than thou attitude. Check this thread out!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=693916

[Maestro]

88. And here is more...

In 2000 the feckin Christian Coalition urged members not to support expanding the Hate Crimes Bill. They are bigots and not Christians at all. These people disgust me.

Conservative groups have stepped up their efforts to kill legislation that would expand the federal hate crimes law to provide greater protection to victims of violence based on their gender, disability or sexual orientation. Below is a copy of an action alert sent October 4, 2000 by the Christian Coalition. DO YOUR PART BY CONTACTING THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS LISTED BELOW AND URGE THEM TO SUPPORT HATE CRIMES LEGISLATION.

Christian Coalition of America - Hate Crimes Action Alert

The Congress is expected to go home at the end of next week. This means that the final decision on whether or not Hate Crimes legislation becomes law this year is imminent! Your calls to Capitol Hill are needed now more than ever.

1) Action Item #1: Senator John Warner, who is Chairman of the of Senate Armed Services Committee and is heading up Senate negotiations on the defense authorization conference report, has now indicated that he is rethinking his opposition to hate crimes legislation in the wake of a gay-bar shooting in his state. We need for EVERYONE to call Senator Warner (224-2023) and urge him to “Oppose Hate Crimes legislation in any form.”

2) Action Item #2: We need for EVERYONE to call the House and Senate leadership and ask them to “please oppose hate crimes legislation in any form on any bill.” Majority Leader Lott (202-224-3135); Asst. Majority Leader Don Nickles (202-224-2708); Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Ten Stevens (202-224-3004); House Speaker Dennis Hastert (202-225-0600); House Majority Leader Richard Armey (202-225-4000); House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (202-225-0197); House Appropriations Committee Chairman Bill Young (202-225-5961)

3) Action Item #3: We also need for EVERYONE to call the other Members of the Defense Authorization conference committee and ask them to “oppose Hate Crimes legislation in any form.” Conferees: Senators Thurmond (224-5972), McCain (224-2235), Smith of NH (224-2841), Inhofe (224-4721), Santorum (224-6324), Snowe (224-5344), Roberts (224-4774), Allard (224-5941), Hutchinson (224-2353), Sessions (224-4124), Levin (224-6221), Kennedy (224-4543), Bingaman (224-5521), Byrd (224-3954), Robb (224-4024), Lieberman (224-4041), Cleland (224-3521), Landrieu (224-5824), Reed (224-4642); and Representatives Spence (225-2452), Stump (225-4576), Hunter (225-5672), Kasich (225-5355), Hansen (225-0453), Weldon of PA (225-2011), Hefley (225-4422), Saxton (225-4765), Buyer (225-5037), Fowler (225-2501), McHugh (225-4611), Talent (225-2561), Everett (225-2901), Bartlett (225-2721), McKeon (225-1956), Watts of OK (225-6165), Thornberry (225-3706), Hostettler (225-4636), Chambliss (225-6531), Skelton (225-2876), Sisisky (225-6365), Spratt (225-5501), Ortiz (225-7742), Pickett (225-4215), Evans (225-5905), Taylor of MS (225-5772), Abercrombie (225-2726), Meehan (225-3411), Underwood (225-1188), Allen (225-6116), Snyder (225-2506), Maloney of CT (225-3822), McIntyre (225-2731), Tauscher (225-1880), and Thompson of CA (225-3311).

Note: The same people and phone numbers work to SUPPORT all Hate Crimes legislation.

Compare it to this statement by Interfaith, a much more moderate, if not downright liberal Christian group.

Religious Leaders Praise Congressional Passage of Hate Crimes Legislation

Responding to the passage of HCPA legislation by the U.S. Congress, the Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, executive director of The Interfaith Alliance, issued the following statement:

"I applaud the U.S. House of Representatives for passing hate crimes legislation. Neither hate nor violence is a traditional American value, both are abominations to democracy and spirituality. Despite the ludicrous efforts of the religious right to defeat HCPA through the manipulation of religion and scripture, their exclusionary agenda did not prevail. The sacred scriptures of many different religious traditions speak with dramatic unanimity on this matter of hate. When true to the prophetic core of our various religions, we cannot condemn hate and then refuse to act to stop hate and the violence that hate foments upon us. Religion and government can work together to create a society in which diverse people are safe as well as free.

"Amid a lot of election year talk about forging partnerships between religion and government, here is the place for a true, dynamic partnership that does not involve dangerous institutional entanglements but reflects the highest integrity of both religion and government. We in the inter-religious community will continue to promote the primal moral values that nurture respect for the dignity and worth of every person and thus expose and seek to eradicate hatred as a malignancy of the mind and spirit. While it is true that legislation cannot remove hate from the hearts and minds of individuals, we learned a long time ago that legislation, like hate crimes legislation, can help to create a society in which people are influenced by their government's unbending intolerance of prejudice-based, hate-motivated violence. Today's action in the US House of Representatives proves a significant step in the right direction, but the struggle to eradicate hate from our society is not over."

Founded in 1994, The Interfaith Alliance (TIA) is a non-partisan clergy-led grassroots organization dedicated to promoting the positive and healing role of religion in the life of the nation and challenging those who manipulate religion to promote intolerance. With more than 100,000 members drawn from over 50 faith traditions, clergy-led local Alliances in 38 states, and a national network of activists in every state, TIA promotes civility, mutual respect, and cooperation in our increasingly-diverse society.

[Deja Q]

89. So somebody sodomized the 8 year old girl who hasn't a damn clue?! And,

That guy is depraved if he wants to bring children into an adults-only topic.

What an ass-wipe.

[Mick Knox]

92. Inexcusable.. beyond disgusting putrid

[NYC Liberal]

93. And it kinda of reminds be of this picture

Are these the "moral values" assholes they keep talking about? Gosh, I think we've found them!

*sigh* SSDD - same shit, different day.

[seraph]

98. wow....

The face of hatred.

[Placebo]

109. That Poor Kid...

See, they aren't born evil, they're made that way.

[seraph]

95. More kids on the frontlines...

From the same "rally" *cough*

[Sparkly]

103. Are those documents on the table the graphic descriptions of sodomy?

Do they have illustrated versions for the kids? How about group discussions of each others' favorite legal sex acts, since what other people do in their bedrooms is so important to them? It's a family discussion, since they need to teach the kids about which sex acts are okay and which aren't. What if one of their neighbors is practicing sodomy without realizing it? That could undermine their own marriages! Good thing they're out there protecting the community from other people's sex acts, and keeping the children alert and informed! :crazy:

[seraph]

112. LOL!

The guy who organized this little hate-fest also had the brains to wonder why none of the local media covered it.


Go figure.

[spanone]

97. An innocent child holding that sign is pornography.

[really annoyed]

100. GROSS....

And THESE type of people dare to PREACH to us about what is moral???

I didn't even know what sodomy meant until I was at least 18!! HELL....

Oh well, at least her father doesn't have to worry about those homosexuals warping his daughter's mind. He's got that down pat!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

101. Having your head up your own ass apparently is

[Maestro]

102. A picture of a member of the Christian Coalition

And I am sorry but these freepers need a

[Pushed To The Left]

108. The "sodomy law" issue pushed me to the left

Last year, when I heard the right-wing reaction to the Supreme Court ruling on sodomy laws, I made a decision that I was going to align myself with Democrats and with liberal causes. Anything to destroy the religious right!! Legislating what two consenting adults do in the bedroom is one of the most heinous violations of civil liberties I can think of. If that's what the conservatives support these days, then they must go down. By the way.....

www.aclu.org
www.pfaw.org

Those are two links the radical right FEAR the most!!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

111. I've always wondered

how do they feel about hetero couples engaging in "sodomy?"

I mean, do they realize a lot of heteros quite enjoy that?

Is it ok as long as you are hetero or is it not ok for anyone?

And why the fuck do they care?