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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:05 PM
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Red staters: Do you see signs of joy and relief in your neighbors?
Are they celebrating? Do they find it hard to keep from grinning? Is there an air of achievement and satisfaction surrounding you (hard as this may be to take)?

If they are the majority, is there a clear and bubbly rejoicing?

I'm in NYC and nobody here is happy. But where you are????
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:06 PM
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1. Not in the neighbors...
but the coworkers are being real asswipes.

FSC
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:09 PM
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5. But do they seem happy rather than just mean and smug?
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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:12 PM
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12. No, they seem like the same hateful bigots except nastier.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:49 PM
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82. I live in NYC, but in my few encounters w/ Bush* supporters I
have encountered exactly the same thing - still bashing Kerry and liberals. God, they are just so filled w/ hate and anger, I don't think anything will change it.
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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:07 PM
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2. No. The winners just seemed pissed off. Flash 4 fingers at
each other. I'm not having anything to do with them.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:11 PM
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8. What does "flash 4 fingers" mean?
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:21 PM
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23. I'm assuming "4 more wars, er... YEARS" :-(
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:22 PM
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24. I think it's "the bird" times 4
Or maybe the amount of booze they like in their glass. Or a secret sign meaning "I'm a square, too!" (four sides, you know)
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:38 PM
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102. Say, you know what this is?????
and hold up five fingers (whoke hand) plus two fingers (like the peace sign) and say it's a week supply of these, and then flip them the bird.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:31 PM
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51. Sort of a Dubya gang symbol
forming a W with your fingers, the two middle ones crossed at the tip?
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realcountrymusic Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:27 AM
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53. that's damn hard to do (EOM)
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:46 AM
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67. Sort of a backwards Vulcan salute?
Strangely appropriate for people whose motto seems closer to "eat shit and die" than "live long and prosper".
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:08 PM
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3. I heard firecrackers on Nov. 3rd.
could have only meant one thing. Either the start of hunting season or Bu$h re-selected. I vote for the latter.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:09 PM
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4. Ran into a gloater at Izaak Walton last night.
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 03:09 PM by BJ
He was teasing my friend who is very active in the county Democratic Party.

He was feeling pretty cocky until I butted in saying, "At least I got my Social Security."

He got a little quieter and mumbled something like, "At least I got mine too, but I worry about my kids."
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:10 PM
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6. Gloating but not happy?
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:12 PM
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11. How does he think he has his SS?
Hell the repubs could stop it next year if the want.

My guess is they'll say that your account is going to the bond market and all you can get is the balance in the account when you start drawing it. That amount will run out before you die.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:15 PM
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One person from Mississippi sent me an e-mail with *shrubbie doing a
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 03:16 PM by democratreformed
little "victory dance". And the end, he is waving his hand. I sent him one back as follows:

"We here in our office want to know what he is waving bye-bye at. Is that your social security check?"
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no_arbusto Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:36 PM
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101. You still here cuntwipe?
Now that you're done sniffing panties for the DOJ you've come here now Mr. Ashcroft?
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Dem Agog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:10 PM
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7. Not Really
Oddly enough some people took their W stickers off the day after the election. Shame? Or just anal?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:12 PM
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9. I'd like to know.
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:12 PM
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10. No, not really.
I've been very surprised. Even though I work in a building that seemed to be RABIDLY Republican, there is MINIMAL gloating. One person so far has been out and out about it, and I just ignored it so he stopped.

On the other hand, the countless Democrats I know range from furious to miserable.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:15 PM
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15. Doesn't that seem really really really strange?
I'm serious. WHERE are the happy Republicans????????????

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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:05 PM
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40. Really now...

IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry, that was too easy.

While I was poll working, I was hanging out with a Republican poll worker... and she was SURE she had lost. I wasn't convinced, but I was hoping she was right.

Perhaps the Pubs are being so low-key because they think we'll go postal. Remember, there were riots in Ohio.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:09 PM
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44. Hello, no such animal, otherwise they wouldn't BE Republicans...
Which reminds me: pick up book "Sore Winners." it's never felt more apt.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:14 PM
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13. No.
Some are cautiously optimistic and try to be reassuring that the idiot will not ruin the country completely like I believe.

Others seem more confused and don't really understand what they actually voted for. (that "lesser of two evils" phrase is used often)

A very few are happy and gloating.
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chelsea32491 Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:14 PM
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14. bah
I live in a pretty conservative part of Salem (oregon) and, the day after elections, everyone would shoove it in my face that he cheated *ehem* "won".

i don't get it though.
do they not REALIZE That only 60% of the nation voted? and out of that 60%, 51% voted for Bush? therefore, only 36% of the nation REALLY wants bush in power.
the other 64% are either Kerry supporters, nadar, or just didn't give a rats ass.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:18 PM
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18. Not what I'm asking.
They got their choice. They should feel relieved, happy, secure that the future will turn out their way. They CONTROL the government. Nothing will happy that isn't their agenda. Right?

Happiness is this overflowing jubilance. Have you seen any?
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MattG Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:30 PM
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32. delete
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 03:31 PM by MattG
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:16 PM
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16. No, except for one coworker who was unbearably smug and chipper
Wednesday. I went home with a migraine after lunch. Several of my neighbors are deeply upset. Of course, even for a very red city, in a very red corner of a red state, my neighborhood is pretty sane and diverse, and dark indigo purple.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:17 PM
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17. no, I see a lot of pissed off people
and I live on a military base! Saw a vehicle with "Congradulations President Bush" written on it (with soap?) and my husband's friend/fellow soldier commented on how Bush supporters couldn't spell. :)
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:19 PM
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19. No, not at all.
Everyone here is really pretty nice, no mention of it at all. We don't have lots of sign stealing or bumpersticker vandals either. I suppose since we went about 64% for Bush** they all just are sort of amused by us libruls.
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movie_girl99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:19 PM
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20. the pugs at work have been really quiet
eerily quiet really. I still have my K/E sign and b/sticker displayed and no-one has ripped it up or cut me off while driving. Its odd really???
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:20 PM
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21. Some have a bounce in their step
but many are just "business as usual" here in the Atlanta area. The mood depends on what part of town you're in.

Two days after the election, I was at a restaurant in a right-wing suburb, and the place was packed with buzzing, happy people. I didn't over hear one conversation about the election or politics, but virtually everybody except me was really upbeat and energized. Me? I felt sick and violated.

Then yesterday I saw a fat young white guy in a cowboy hat and short sleeves (despite the cool weather) walking down the street with some of his buddies, his huge belly jiggling as he walked. He was grinning and talking in a loud, animated voice. I, in sunglasses and sweater, hunched over and crossed the street.

Today, though, I saw a car with two signs in the rear window: one said MORE BUSH? in scary, drippy letters, and the other was a copy of Munch's "The Scream."

Of course, right-wingers are essentially Puritan in nature, so joy isn't something they allow themselves to experience for very long at a time. And there's only so much gloating they can do. I mean, it's not anything really important, like their team winning the national college football championship.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:11 PM
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45. that last paragraph is key. Puritans don;t believe in joy. Triumph, yes.
but it's smug and nasty, like everything else about them. tomorrow it'll be something else.
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:21 PM
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22. I don't associate with the idiots n/t
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dryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:25 PM
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27. Fairly subdued in Orlando....
Orange County went for Kerry (we went for Gore in 2000 too). Orlando Sentinel endorsed Kerry - first Democrat since 1964. Called Bush "an empty suit". Very subdued on UCF Campus; two kids walked down the mall with Bush signs and were hooting and hollering on Wednesday and they were booed -- a lot!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:17 PM
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80. I'm also in Orlando
My area favored Kerry by a wide margin (10-1, by the lawn signs). I canvassed a lot before the election, and orange country was definately going for a Kerry landside, which is one of the reasons I really believe that they stole it. There was no where near this level of excitement for Gore (and he won by half a million votes, despite their efforts to stop voters)!
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:24 PM
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25. I've noticed this as well
I believe a good many people "secretly" wanted Kerry to win. Even voted against the Repukes for kerry ( and had too many stolen).

So I think we've got a lot of "buyer's remorse" happening. People who claimed not to give a damn realized something was fishy in this election. Too cut -and-dry.

It's a strange phenomenon. I didn't even want to go out in public, because i feared gloating idiots, but what I found instead seems more like glum resignation.

Many stunned, worried and hurting peoplewhich means * is God's number one enemy right now. He is killing and stealing and lying and exalting himself better than anyone right now.

may God have no mercy on him, as he has none for any but himself.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:24 PM
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26. Some fly
flags (car windows) while still sporting the W stickers. The Kerry/Edwards stickers are still on the bumpers of dems as well. Neither want to appear neutral or accepting of the other party. I live in Raleigh, NC.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:28 PM
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29. Dogged isn't the same as joyous.
Where's the happiness?
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:28 PM
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28. shockingly no!
I live in southern Indiana--a red county in a red state--and nobody seems happy.

Tense, yes.

Happy? No.

And only one gloater.

Weird isn't? Worst winners I've ever seen.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:30 PM
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30. one at work...
till he was bothered that several of us weren't speaking to him.

nice guy actually, but swallowed the religious right's kool-aide.

he called me over and asked me why several weren't talking to him. i answered (as near as i recall):

I am going to answer you seriously. What i am about to say is not rhetoric. It is how we feel. This election was the most important in the history of the u.s. The people of the u.s. have legitimized torture, racism, holding prisoners indefinitely without charges, rape of prisoners, secret searches, etc. We feel that the u.s. has lost (in every meaning of the word) its soul. The people of the u.s. have said that all of this is ok. You (christians) have let a handfull of people (rove, ashcroft, cheney, etc) manipulate you into supporting the most vile evil death-cult imaginable, and you don't recognize it. Your hatred of gays and abortion have enabled them to maneuver you into supporting torture, into supporting rape, into denigrating the working man (of which you are one) and castigating the poor. I don't know what else to tell you. Everything that you profess to believe in you voted against. Everything your bible supposedly stands for you voted against. That's how we feel. A lot of the past mistakes of this country we could blame on immaturity...slavery, suffrage, etc...but we have made this mistake with our eyes wide open, a mature civilized country that just legitimized torture.

He hasn't asked me about it since.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:44 PM
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36. Wow. Really well done.
I'm not sure I've even processed the reason for my anger and despair and you just laid it out there for me. Thanks. I might be quoting you. :)
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:45 AM
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62. Me too! Great quote!!!! nt
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:52 PM
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42. Wow! That's just great. That helps me find my feelings, too.
quote:

I am going to answer you seriously. What i am about to say is not rhetoric. It is how we feel. This election was the most important in the history of the u.s. The people of the u.s. have legitimized torture, racism, holding prisoners indefinitely without charges, rape of prisoners, secret searches, etc. We feel that the u.s. has lost (in every meaning of the word) its soul. The people of the u.s. have said that all of this is ok. You (christians) have let a handfull of people (rove, ashcroft, cheney, etc) manipulate you into supporting the most vile evil death-cult imaginable, and you don't recognize it. Your hatred of gays and abortion have enabled them to maneuver you into supporting torture, into supporting rape, into denigrating the working man (of which you are one) and castigating the poor. I don't know what else to tell you. Everything that you profess to believe in you voted against. Everything your bible supposedly stands for you voted against. That's how we feel. A lot of the past mistakes of this country we could blame on immaturity...slavery, suffrage, etc...but we have made this mistake with our eyes wide open, a mature civilized country that just legitimized torture.

end:
Awesome. Really.


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LatinManNH Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:04 PM
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43. I am going to translate that
into Spanish and say it to my father, who has always voted Democratic but voted for Bush this time for "religious" reasons.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:13 PM
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46. Good for you! Hope you made him think.
And you know, even if he didn't get what you were talking about, people do understand when they're being shunned. nice work.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:32 AM
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70. Very well said!
The Kool-Aid buzz will wear off before long! When the great wailing and gnashing starts the sound will be like thunder! The rats took the cheese!

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:27 PM
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84. This is the best thing you can do
Disengage.

It KILLS them, and it lets them know you are serious.

This is the message, ret5hd, condensed as perfectly as any could do.

I applaud you.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:30 PM
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31. Here in deep crimson Alabama
it's been surprisingly quiet.
Many of our friends are repubs and it's almost like they've been respectful of our feelings.
They all know where we stand politically, and no one has brought up the election.
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southlandshari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:46 AM
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56. same here in central Alabama
Very, very quiet - but most people I know who voted for Bush did so with some reservations. I know we have more than our fair share of blind Bushies here, but I just don't interact with them much, wherever they may be.

Everyone seems to be glad the election is over, but not quite sure how they feel about the results. No gloating around here, and the only person I know who actually had a Bush bumper sticker on his car took it off within 48 hours after the results were in.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:36 PM
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33. Well, Massachusetts is a morgue
Cambridge to Boston especially. (It's kind of creepy on the subway actually it's so quiet.)

Most of last week the repugs knew to lay low lest they get punched. This week they're piping up a bit more it seems but they're rather outnumbered so they're probably wise not to gloat too much. (Except behind the safety of LTTE's - there've been a few of those that make ya' wanna puke.)

Well there's also the fact that I don't believe a majority of this country DID vote for shrub which explains why there's no dancing in the streets... More of us are in mourning because more of us voted for change.
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dean_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:42 PM
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34. November 3rd I noticed a few co-workers looking cheerier than usual...
Though some who knew my politcal affiliation seemed like they were trying to feel out how I would react to them. As if I were going to tear their head off or something. That was pretty amusing to see.

Though I think most people I work with (and in the larger population) vote Republican because they don't care that much about politics to begin with. After they won, they just went back to talking about Reality TV or Scott Peterson. The election was forgotten for most of them by Thursday.
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:43 PM
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35. No, my neighborhood is full of Democrats
We're all depressed here in my little hamlet.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:38 AM
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54. same in my little neighborhood too. the K/E signs i gave to my neighbors
are still up. i thought they'd take it down by now but no one has. i have to admit, i did see a couple bush supporters cheering in the street the day after the election. the only political comment i made to my mother was, "yes, bush won the election. you should be worried about your social security. and your medicare. and all your benefits." later that morning, we saw a local newspaper and the headline was something to the extent of SS and medicare first on reform list. it made my mom do a double take. it was a somber morning. it's a coming....
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:51 PM
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37. Lordy, yes aquart.
This state has been red so long that if Joe McCarthy were still alive he'd call them a buncha commonists. My next-door-neighbor had 2 * signs in her frontyard - when she sobers up long enough she still gives me a condescending grin like a mule eating briars, and a little folksy wave. Makes me want to puke.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:52 PM
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38. No, they are just as mean and sour-puss as ever
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Sarbannes Oxley Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:52 PM
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39. I've noticed, in Missouri
...that all of the Bush/Cheney signs have been put away but many of the Kerry/Edwards signs are still out on the lawns. I don't know what this signifies though.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:32 PM
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41. Me. either. But it's one more weirdness.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:15 PM
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47. Maybe some of the more decent people know they've gone too far.
Or maybe they just don't want their asses kicked, and their sense of self-preservation is kicking in. Who knows. Who cares. I know damn well how *I'm* responding to any gloater that came my way, not that we exactly encounter many here in NYC thank CHRIST for small mercies.
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Sarbannes Oxley Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:05 AM
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71. Oh, no, I don't think...
anyone should be beating anybody up. Or did I miss your point?
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:17 AM
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73. Verbally kicking their ass, in my case.
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Sarbannes Oxley Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:26 AM
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78. Understood. Definitely.
n/t
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:26 PM
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49. Where I'm at in California...
...the Kerry signs are gone, but the * signs are still there - pissing me off every single time I drive by. :grr:
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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:42 AM
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66. Welcome from Kansas City
I've noticed all the Kerry signs up still too. There's a great area just west of downtown and almost every house has a Kerry/Edwards sign. But what I noticed after the election is that they tied yellow ribbons to everything. Not just a few trees like before, but to fences, signs on fronts of doors.

It's a great reminder. Yeah, so far Bush won. But at what cost?
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:59 PM
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48. I'm in CA but
the pugs around here don't seem happy, they just seem to be mad. :wtf: :shrug:
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:29 PM
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50. not really
most i knew weren't really nuts about chimpy, but, thanks to the lib'rul media, were just terrified of kerry
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Magnulus Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:18 AM
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52. NO
and No
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liberalequestrian Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:42 AM
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55. Blue Stater here, but have some pug friends
I don't think they know I am so liberal (oh gosh, and rather proud of it) mainly because I don't discuss these things with people I want to stay friends with, and I didn't see them in the weeks leading up to the election.

However, yes, they do seem rather overjoyed. We have talked about the election in abstract (neither of us saying if we are happy or sad- although I saw the awful W04 sticker beforehand) and they want to know why 'we can't all just get along'.

I've been semi-avoiding the evangelicals in the family (not related) as I'm sure they're overjoyed, dancing to thoughts of making gay marriage and abortions illegal, and a good Christian ruling the greatest country in the world.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:00 AM
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57. here's what told a gloating black republican the other day
via email: there will come a time when you will be ashamed to admit you voted for a dimwitted sociopath...mark my word.
i haven't received a reply yet.
i live in nothern california, so this person probably keeps his republican sympathies quiet in the real world. this is not a good place to be a black republican...the birthplace of the black panthers. :D
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:08 AM
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58. Actually no.
I live in an urban area, and the entire neighborhood/district is Democrat. In fact, the majority of people in this area still have their Kerry/Edwards signs in their yards.
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:24 AM
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59. Most people I know are scared
I honestly only know a couple of people who voted for Bush. Most of the Republicans I know stayed home or held their nose and voted for Kerry. A lot of people around here are freaked out. And I'm in Tx right now.

In my hometown, there were more Kerry signs than I've seen for a Democrat than in any other recent election. Yet the returns were more Republican than any recent election. And yes, all our machines are Diebold optical scanners and Diebold touchscreens. I think the vote was hacked all over, not just in swing states. That's why there is a huge popular vote margin.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:29 AM
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60. That's exactly what I believe, too.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:44 AM
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61. NO
they are just glad Kerry didn't win but cannot really say what is good about having this incompetent piece of shit stay another four years. Stupid, ignorant assholes.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:50 AM
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63. I'm in a blue state, in a conservative area of Northern California.
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 03:50 AM by NightOwwl
In 2000, there were Bush bumper stickers and yard signs galore. This year I saw exactly 1 bumper sticker and 3 yard signs. That is not a joke.

I couldn't bear to leave the house Wednesday, but Mr. Owwl went to to buy some groceries. When he came back he said he felt like he had just spent the afternoon at a funeral.

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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:59 PM
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85. What part of Northern California?
I have inlaws in Northern California and the wife is quite obnoxiously pro*Chimp. Is this where you are?
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:29 PM
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88. Folsom
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 03:30 PM by NightOwwl
A small suburb about 14 northeast of Sacramento. Very pretty town really. It still has a nice, small-town atmosphere.

And since people always ask, Folsom is the home of Folsom Prison.
It's situated among acres of trees along the American River, and when I ride on the bike trail I can see the prisoners on their outside break.

Interesting tidbit:
Eric Menendez is an inmate there; his wife lives in Folsom, and she had a store called "Puppy Palace" until it closed about 3 months ago.

Where do your in-laws live?

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AliceWonderland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:05 AM
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64. Well, I live in an extremely blue county of a red state
and everyone I know is a progressive or a liberal...so this "red state" business doesn't have much meaning for me personally. All my friends and acquaintances voted against Bush, so I've not seen one bit of rejoicing. Reactions are mixed -- people are pleased with the Dem gains in CO, eg. Salazar for Senate, taking back the state legislature. As for the presidential election, I've heard dismay, anger, apathy, and variations on "fuck 'em." Wingnuts celebrating in the street? I dunno, just not my reality.

I'm in Boulder-Denver, CO.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:09 AM
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65. No
But I live in a blue county and a very blue precinct (2-1 for Kerry).
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:58 AM
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68. I live in a barely blue, barely urban county in a red state.
And while the young R's at the law school have been gloating a bit, the older folks have not. I think they know better. It's not polite. They want to be civil. Privately, though, I think they're overjoyed. It's a mistake to think they're not happy. Emotions ran high on both sides in this (s)election.

-Laelth
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:20 AM
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69. No, I see people still gettig laid off!
And a report came out the day after the election that most of the thousands of bridges in the state are "Unsafe"! I see winter coming on and homeless shelters planning for record amounts of people and heating bills going up 40%! I see a state that has cut back on almost everything as far as social services, and infrastructure upkeep! I've seen the biggest coal company in the country buy our state's Supreme Court in the last election! I see a new democratic governor about to be sworn in who will probably help the republicans here pass the "Right To Work" law! I see a multi billion dollar Corps of Engineer job about to shut down, because the federal funding has been shifted to Iraq! I see a huge coal slurry dam up the river from me, that is just like the one that broke on the Big Sandy river a few years ago and that killed everything in that river for a hundred miles and ruined all the people's property on the banks of that stream! I see on the TV almost every day that somebody has been shot dead in a nearby city! I see these beautiful mountains and the tourism businesses being bulldozed by the huge strip mining machines! I see huge boulders crashing down on people's homes from the blasting away of our mountain tops! I see the water and air being polluted! I see medical costs and the cost of living ballooning and state and local taxes on the rise! I see pictures in the papers of kids killed in Iraq!

But I do see new churches and Wal-Marts being built, so I reckon it ain't that bad! EXCEPT for a lot of kids won't find much under the tree this Christmas! I see old people who can't afford to be sick or well here! I could go on but what the hell, look at the bright side, we got values and morals and sh*t here in West Virginia!
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:09 AM
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72. I drive by a sign every morning
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 10:10 AM by Rambis
"How sweet it is" spray painted on a sheet with a */GFY sign under it. I have called the cops and city hall and they still won't make the asshole take it down. I am trying to find out how he does business and with whom so I can boycott.
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:31 AM
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74. I have not seen much joy among republicans.
I sense a national mood, reflected in the media, that the only people really ecstatic are the christian fundies, even the rest of the republicans seem to know in their hearts that W is a moron.

There is an odd silence, like people are waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:38 AM
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75. It's Strange But No
I live in Indiana, one of the first states that always gets called for the GOP but I haven't seen a lot of enthusiasm for Bush being re-elected even among people I know who voted for him(?). My mother was a "moral values" voter even though she has some serious misgivings about the war in Iraq and one of my other friends stated that she was just concerned about how Kerry would manage Iraq as opposed to Bush. It was kind of the same thing with my mother. I guess the whole "let's not change horses mid-stream" effect was in play among some voters. I guess once we get somebody elected President they need to be sure to start a war(s) in their first term so that people will feel compelled to re-elect them. But I didn't see any huge out-pouring of support and excitement for Bush, which suggests to me something that Bush doesn't exactly have the mandate that he thinks he has. I think that Bush should be leery of thinking that he is more popular than he actually is and launching more "pre-emptive" wars and kicking over more anthills.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:40 AM
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76. Only one real gloater
Hugged me on Thursday and said "I'm SSSOOOO sorry for your loss" with a big grin on his face.

Unfortunately for him, he's a die-hard Eagles fan with a Steeler-fan wife, and I saw him Sunday night after Pittsburgh gave the birds a big spanking, and I put my arm around him and said "I'm SSSOOOO sorry for your loss". He laughed, and told me to Cheney myself.
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HoosierClarkie Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:01 AM
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77. Yes, and
I actually received an e-mail about how stupid Dem voters are the day after the election. My neighbors seem so happy and content while I have bad thoughts about how to wipe the smiles of their faces!;-) I feel an enormous amount of tension between us. I could be projecting it though.

I am not going to give up here.

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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:41 AM
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79. Not really. I work with all repugs but one. 2 of them voted Kerry
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 11:53 AM by ignatius 2
and were quite depressed. The rest have been fairly quiet except for one jackass who is such a buffoon that what he thinks really doesn't matter much. It is as if they voted for Chimpy out of loyalty to the party, not really for the wisdom of the man.

I did hear one say to another, maybe he will clean up this deficit in 4 years. Ha, what planet has he been living in?
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BensMom Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:41 PM
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81. No jumping in my red state...
No jumping from most of the people I know. They that gave me the dazed look before the election, so why would they be different now.

The same dumb shitz that would say:

"Hope the war doesn't get any worse.."

Don't know who to vote for - one is as bad as the other.."

Ya Dumb Shitz
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:04 PM
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83. I live in a red state but work with mostly Dems, I expected gloating
but there has been none. I don't get it. Bush won here with 79% of the vote. I expected at least smug. Nothing. It's odd. It's almost like they understand the gravity of the situation and are not sure themselves what they did was right. But I could be reading to much into it. The gloating may start tomorrow.

Mormons, for everything bad I can say about them, are much more mainstream than fundies.
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abbadon Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:56 PM
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86. Not in Atlanta
I even have acquaintances and relatives are Hannitoids, Dittoheads, etc., and they haven't said anything one way or another - I *did* hear one guy in the corridor crowing about the concession, but no gloating from anyone.

BUT all the street signs for K/E are still up, and some B/C signs have come down (except the one across the street, of course).

AND the # of B/C stickers I see (I'm painfully sensitive to them) on GA400 seems to have decreased.

This isn't "Atlanta" Atlanta, either (which is where I live; Dekalb Co - Cynthia McKinney is my Rep.!) - this is where I work, in North Sprawlanta: Cobb, N Fulton, and Cherokee Counties, the "beneficiaries" of white flight over the last several years (Barr & Gingrich country in the past).
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:58 PM
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87. I'm in the Dallas area
and I honestly don't see any joy. The signs for BOTH sides, came down within THREE DAYS of the election, which I found odd.

Nope, not seeing any celebrations or anything here. Nothing.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:39 PM
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89. Why was it odd?
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:42 PM
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90. I'm noticing more flags on the back of vehicles than before.
They are not upside down, either.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:44 PM
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91. Not in my Repub area. They have a chip on their shoulder and act worried.
I got in a huge fight w/my Bush-loving neighbor. She got real nasty. I asked her why she was being a "sore winner." They're sensitive about being called "morons."
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:59 PM
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92. at least two of the fundie churches....
had celebration dinners last sunday(I live in Missouri). Also, I saw some people that had worked for the repubs and they were their usual mean smug selves. They told me (they were serious too) that I should listen to Rush and Hannity some so I could understand things better. One of them is a bigger asshole than the others, and he told me some huge bullshit story about how the local dems had to be arrested on election night because they busted in on the repubs and rioted. Even when I told him that I was WITH the dems that night and nothing even remotely like that happened, he still went on with his big story, and it was apparent he was totally convinced! I gotta move from this place.....

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:00 PM
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93. The CHURCHES had a celebration?
Oh, that I were in charge of their tax status.
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:27 PM
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96. just the thought of revoking their tax status..
makes me smile!:evilgrin:

They truly did have a celebration. I wait tables on the weekends and one church reserved the private dining room for noon,and the other for two. Even if I had wanted to wait on them, I'm pretty sure the manager wouldn't have let me..lol. I tried really hard to not hear them talking, but there was one part where one of the church elders was making some speech about how 'things looked dark in the early part of the day, and some of us began to doubt, but the Lord never lets us down". The guy telling it went into true fundie mode and it was impossible to shut him out. :eyes:

I have a new rule when I'm waiting tables though. This is a pretty small town, and I know which customers are repubs and which ones are dems. All those little 'extras' that used to not cost unless you had pissed off your server are now only freebies for the dems. If the Bush economy is so great, the repubs can certainly afford to pay for whatever they get.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:13 PM
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94. I work at a newspaper in Arkansas.
I'm not going to mention the name of the newspaper, but they endorsed Bush. EVERYONE is very quiet about how the voted, and their political affiliation. Maybe it's because the management is Repuke and the workers are Dem, I don't know. But no one is saying anything about politics here.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:17 PM
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95. I sense relief but there has been relatively little actual gloating.
People where I am are wealthy. They wanted shrub, and are relieved he was "reelected". But many if not most basically know that he is a crappy president.

Mostly they just want their tax cut. Bible thumpy issues rule with some also.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:32 PM
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100. Here in Sarasota, I've taken to giving complete strangers
with Kerry Edwards stickers on their cars hugs in parking lots. We end up talking for a few minutes about how fucked up the other half is for voting for Bush.

Bush supporters, on the other hand, are still arrogant and drive around all puffed up and stupid, just like they've always been.

Florida is not a fun place to live when you're a liberal.
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