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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:18 AM
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Some Say U.S. No Longer Feels Like Home
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=235904&page=1

"After the election, my husband and I asked ourselves, 'How could our country be heading backward? How could so many people miss or choose to ignore the obvious failures of the Bush administration?'" the former Florida resident said.

He also criticized the media, and television in particular, for the way news is covered.

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"Television I think has single-handedly destroyed the level of political discourse," he said. "When I talk to people about politics, they're either radically misinformed or they wouldn't know how to define the terms that they use."

"All these things were going on before Bush got elected," he said. "But I also think they got worse since Bush got elected. He's a symptom of the problem and he's making it worse."

"There is this aggressive morality that seems to me to have nothing to do with Christianity," she said. "Our fathers were mostly Unitarians, not at all holy rollers."

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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:22 AM
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1. Yeah, no kidding.
I feel sorry for the older people. When my Mom was growing up The U.S. was largely a secular society. When WWII was being fought, toleration of other's beliefs was considered an important thing, least we become like the enemy. Now look at us!
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:22 AM
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2. I am moving to Barbados IF I win the Lotto... nt
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:25 AM
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3. that pretty much sums up how I feel
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:25 AM
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4. that's because America IS changing
There are very basic differences between moderates/liberals and conservatives, the most basic being that conservatives have no room in their universe for anything unlike a conservative.

Thus, liberals and moderates are reviled, the new political ideal is the "one party" republican system, and conservatism has nothing to do with fiscal policy and everything to do with a bunch of uptight bigots telling the rest of us what we can and can't do with our bodies and lives.

We are essentially supposed to be good little peasants, pay our taxes, get married and squeeze out a bunch of babies who have little chance of affording college after the department of education loan guarantees are unfunded, pay into social security and medicare and receive no benefit from it when its our turn, and have no recourse against any corporation or business that brings us harm, willfully or otherwise. We are property of the state now.

No it doesn't feel like America, a nation of individuals anymore. It feels like a plutocracy, with corporate authoritarianism, and no individual's voice counts for anything, and if you don't agree with them you are immoral and unpatriotic and probably on a no-fly list.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:26 AM
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14. I only posted the opinions in the article
but they stuck me as dead on as well.
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:28 AM
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5. I came here from former USSR looking for better life
My whole family did, and we enjoyed it all throught the 90's. Let me tell you, this isn't America we learned to love and call our new home...this resembles our old home more.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:41 AM
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7. Yup, and going back there is no so good, with all elections canceled!
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:31 AM
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6. That's just how I feel
This country was settled by people fleeing European countries in search of religious freedom. America was founded by Unitarians and Deists who understood the need to separate church from state. They prized freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly.

The crazies running the U.S. now are polar opposites, in terms of their values. They more closely resemble the old European despots that our ancestors fled and fought. Europe now seems more sane and free than the U.S.



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H3Dakota Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:09 AM
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13. Well put, Liberal!!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:41 AM
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8. Damn right it doesn't feel like home
Canada would feel more like the US I grew up in.

I want this 25 year nightmare to end ...
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:13 AM
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9. YOU hit it.. 25 years! It started with RAYGUN
That bastard on high, labor-hating buffoon that cranked up the class war to levels unseen since the gilded age.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:21 AM
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10. You nailed it
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 10:22 AM by Art_from_Ark
Reagan was the imbecile who really got this class warfare going
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:59 AM
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11. Warfare? Looks more like a one sided slaughter from this side
eom
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:06 AM
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12. We Cancelled A Red State Vacation...California Here We Come
My family was ready to head to a week of sunshine in Florida until the election, now we've decided we will only spend our time and money in Blue areas. Yep, no Disneyworld or Opryland or Branson, Missouri. We'll just have to settle with LA, San Fran, Seattle, New York, Washington (and MD suburbs), Oregon and Hawaii.

I encourage others to do the same. Keep our money in our states.
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