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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:30 PM
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May I make a humble observation and suggestion?
As I flip around the DU dial tonight, I see some expressions of what I can only describe as...rage. Good. Anger. The healing continues apace. Me? I am just getting over the emotional lability with a fine overlay of psychological dissassociation stage.

Trauma. Always a barrel of laughs.

Sure, it's fine to be looking for new and creative ways to bite your face. It's appropriate at this stage. There is a Gordian Knot of emotions inside all of us and we have to find the one string that unties it for each of us. That's goddamned hard work too. In the midst of finding the coping mechanisms that will get us beyond, we have to go to work or school and deal with the drooling mouthbreathers who feel that winning an election gives them some unalienable right to get all up in our asses. We have to keep those jobs too. Killing folks just doesn't look real good on your employment records.

Not fun. Rather frustrating. Tends to leave one's ass a bit chapped. Chronically.

Then I see people lashing out here, at each other. Even notter good. Look guys, right now, it's us. We seem to be at the nexis of something that is fighting for some very special things. Sure, we all fight in our own way. The BBV folks with their data collection, Will with his smart ass and smarter words, Pete with his words of encouragement that spring from an eldritch political universe that I can hardly imagine(And those words, I suspect, are not without some veiled meaning for those with the eyes to see...I would die to just touch his Rolodex). There is even that guy Keith. He excites electrons for a living. He's done his part too. Some of us might not be able to contribute as fully as we wish. You see, we have lives, jobs, families, bills, more bills and then there are those bills. And thats frustrating. We all want to take up the Sword of Truth. Each in his or her own way and according to his or her means.

It's only been a week. Seven short days. Hard to believe. Seems like a millenium has already passed. Or two. Ahead lies the yawning chasm of the unknown. We think we know what that pack of pirates, thieves and sociopaths have in store. That sure is scary. And we want Santa, goddamnit, and we want his ass NOW and that goddamned bag BETTER be full! It's a dilemma.

But at this time, it is really, really unwise to go eating our own. What we know is not about to explode onto the big screen or little screen in time to give us what we want most: gratification so immediate that it bends space and time, returning us to last Tuesday, where we are able to change the outcome. That's makes good Sci-Fi or bad ST:TOS but that's why that stuff Ain't Real Life.

Let's look a little at where we are now: After The Great Insult, Intrepid Researchers and Terminal Skeptics took a look at what had happened and asked, quite appropriately:

What. The. Fuck. ?

Certainly one of the top 5 questions one must ask on the way to solving some of the thornier questions of existence, on the road to true enlightenment.

Good folks and true are out there right now, sleep-deprived, food-deprived, money-deprived, family-deprived...and they are soldiering mightily. Look. Look dispassionately at what they have done. In seven days, this story is well on its way to becoming just as big as we have hoped. It is getting TV, radio and international play. Print media? Eventually, I reckon. It will play in the majors, and not just to be dismissed.

It does have legs.

You see, the architects of this little mess were most likely the ones who did their research and development work in Florida 2000. In their hubris, they seemed to miss a few points. One of the points is that we had 4 years to learn, a bit, from that imbroglio and develop the framework of this growing infrastructure that has driuen this story this far, with places like DU, but not only DU. Is it perfect? Far from it. But it is up, growing and making noises that cannot be dismissed. James Dobson is an chump in comparison. It took that jamoke 30 years.

We developed a real framework of good minds by leveraging the internet. And we are using Internet Time.

That was their grave tactical error, for whatever happens, I predict that they will never, ever, be able to do what they have done again. You can bank that. We now know and they know we know. They won't be able to play that game again. That train is a'comin'.

So sit down. Breathe. Slowly and deeply. Have a frosty adult beverage. Calm the fuck down. Stop savaging each other and everything that moves or does not give you that Red Ryder BB Gun immediately. We're gonna make something happen here. It has mass and speed and that means inertia. It may not be exactly what we want, right now, but it will turn out to be A Good Thing. Overall.

We know. They know we know. People are finding out. That's pretty good for seven days.

We'll shake the pillars of heaven. Don't you fret.

But it's gonna take some time. And patience. And gut-busting work. And maybe some better prayers than the pirates use. At least more sincere. That couldn't hurt none either.

In the midst of this, we gotta rebuild and fortify a party, too. Eek.

Can I get a "hell yeah"? ;-)

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alevensalor Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:32 PM
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1. Heck affirmative?
It'll have to do. I hate everything.

;)

~A!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:35 PM
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2. Hell, yeah baby!
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:35 PM
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3. My first post......
HELL, YEAH!!!

:TOAST:
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:38 PM
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8. Welcome!
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:43 PM
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12. Woo...welcome to DU, karen
(the toast thingy needs to be lower case)
:toast:
:D
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:55 PM
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17. Welcome to DU!!!
:toast:
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HEFFA Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:36 PM
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4. Two words: Pure Genius!
Thank you for your insights. I couldn't agree more.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:37 PM
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5. HELL YESSSSS THe NEW PEOPLE'S PARTY
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treehuggnlibrul Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:37 PM
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6. That train is a comin'. Hell yeah.
Thanks. Exactly what I needed to hear.

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:38 PM
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7. the laws of Karma will prevail
what goes around, comes around. Some day when we least expect it an Honest person, probably a republican will pop a pin in someone's baloon. I feel it.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:40 PM
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9. T_S
HELL YEAH



Thanks again. :hug:
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TruthOutDawg Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:40 PM
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10. Hell Yeah!
Thank you for your beautiful words and your encouragement. This is actually my first post ever to DU, and I wanted to take the moment to let you all know that I worked election protection in Hillsborough County, FL and after getting home Wedn. morning and getting in the car at the airport and turning it on to hear Kerry's concession speach, I came home and crawled into bed with my wonderful dogs and husband and I stayed there for 20 hours just despairing. See, I knew in my gut that what "they" (all the talking heads) were saying happened wasn't what really happened out there - just knew that this election had been stolen on a big, big (millions of vote) scale. When I finally crawled out of bed, I started to search the Net to see if anyone else was expressing disbelief, and I found DU for the first time through that early BlueLemur article and YOU ALL HAVE SAVED MY SANITY in the week since. THANK YOU for all of the hard work that you have done and for raising everyone's awareness about this. In the past week, I have taken much of the information you have all exposed and the many analysis you have generated and the calls to action that have been suggested and I have daily sent your information to the hundreds of people on my distribution list and I know that there are many others that have done this too. Which means that you are all having a huge, HUGE impact. So, I just wanted to say, YOU ARE WONDERFUL and YOU ARE FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT. Don't give up and please know that it is appreciated, and it WILL eventually bring the truth to light. THANK YOU!
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:44 PM
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13. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:47 PM
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14. Woah! WELCOME to DU
I lived in Tampa from 79 to 92. I have to say I really don't really miss the traffic & congestion, but must admit I do miss the plethora of good eateries. :D

CDB on Memorial (TnC) was our favorite...we taught them how to properly steam mussels...haha
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TruthOutDawg Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:07 PM
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21. Thanks for the Welcomes
And, sorry, I actually don't really know Tampa very well. I live in the Los Angeles area and just flew out to work Election Protection. But thanks for making me feel welcome, and properly steamed mussels are always worth remark! :-)
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:55 PM
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18. Thank you for your hard work and welcome to DU.
:hi:
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:17 PM
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26. Me too..
Same here. Exactly what TruthOutDawg said. I too started searching on the net after chimp won, looking for others like myself who share my despair and disbelief. I too, thank everybody here at DU for all your hard work. Thank you!

And welcome to DU TruthOutDawg! I'm a newbie too..
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:43 PM
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27. Thank you TruthoutDawg and welcome
!! REading what you just said helps me feel better.


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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:42 PM
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11. Hell Yeah
:bounce:

Bless your soul, Brother!
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:49 PM
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15. Nice job...
And I agree with much of what you've said. What I don't share is your optimism that the taint of this election will 'trickle down' (or up) into the public consciousness.

Tonight's Frontline on PBS (called "The Persuaders") was about advertising, and contained a quote something like "People hear what they want to hear."

When I first started dating the woman who is now my wife, she hadn't been taught in school about WWII relocation camps for Japanese Americans. I was incredulous, but there you have it.

Let me say that I hope (dearly) that you're right, and that this will have legs, but right now I'm feeling that the public prefers the comfortable myth that "everyone is relieved that at least it came out decisively" to the damn frightening thought that the thing was stolen, on purpose (again).

I suspect that if things go as badly with the economy and empire building as many of us believe they will, then and only then, will people want to hear that Bush stole it, and only when they want to believe it will they even be able to hear it.

Hope I'm wrong, though.

And nice work on the prose - I really liked it, for whatever that's worth.
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:02 PM
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20. Like your wife, I never learned about the Internment camps.
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 11:04 PM by apolitical no more
When I did learn about them in the 70's, it was I who was incredulous.

I thought I learned a true history of this United States.

HA!! A few years later, I got a wonderful book about the teaching of history in the U.S. Oh, I wish I still had that book, but after many moves, it has gone missing from my bookshelves.

It was very interesting as it showed how what was taught was based entirely on what was happening in the present.

Makes you wonder what is in our present history books . . .
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:52 PM
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16. Thanks! It's coming. I can feel it!
:bounce:
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:11 PM
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24. thanks shithead
Sounds almost like a historical inevitability.

I just worry about all the destruction the *Born again baboon will reak upon everyone given another four years.

At least he's starting his new 'mandate' off in style, with a massacre in Fallujia. Ah, those good ole "christian values".

oy

again, thank you so much for you words, they truly do inspire.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:00 PM
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19. Um.. I'd rather give you an "Amen!"
but, OK: HELL YEAH!!!
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:08 PM
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22. Hell Yeah!!!!
Yeah, what he said...

:toast:
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:10 PM
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23. HELL YEAH
Damn. That was beautiful. I was crying reading your post. You're so right. God I've been so tensed these past few days. I'm gonna calm my ass down and go to bed. Thank you for your note.

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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:17 PM
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25. Hell 'okay'?
Just kidding. Beautifully said with great heart.


Welcome newbies. Glad you found the place... it'll take many willing hands and hearts for the work ahead. :hi:

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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:59 PM
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28. Awesome post!
But it's gonna take some time. And patience. And gut-busting work. And maybe some better prayers than the pirates use. At least more sincere. That couldn't hurt none either.

And this is the hardest part of it all...
Excellent post!:bounce:


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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:01 AM
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29. Have I paid my dues? The check is in the mail!
I liked your "shaking the pillars of heaven". I'd like to do that with you. I'm a big fan of Jack Burton and the Pork Chop Express also... ;)
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:03 AM
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30. thank you so much T-S
I always crack up at your name, and I am always knocked out by your posts. You are an axample of what a beautiful mind really is about.

OK sorry to get a little sappy......

Thank you for this, I am bookmarking and will read it when I need the level headed pep talk. which will probably be often. This feeling of dissociation is creepy, but of course makes sense. Unbelievable and scary things are happening, so shock reactions are normal.

Thank you again, I really needed a compassionate voice who seems to know what he's talking about. Keep that sane voice of yours taken care of too. I really appreciate it.

Peace:hi:
Fizzy
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:11 AM
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31. They know we know
HELL YEAH!

Thanks, TS, for a wonderful post. Posts like this are why I've been here every day for the last 4 years.
Just when I think I'm about ready to toss it in and say "fuck it", a post like yours will work wonders for my soul.

We know. They know we know! :thumbsup:

-chef-
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:20 AM
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32. Excellent observations. Superb suggestions!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

dp
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:03 AM
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33. Woof! Woof!
(Channeling Lucy the Gentle Pit Bull, who would add a discreet lick on the lips and a light nip on the nostrils for extra emphasis.)

The net plus a few media outlets enable progressive networks on the ground to act smartly and effectively and in a truly (revolutionarily) democratic and effective way. Contrast prior times where communications made some form of centralism (a la the DNC, RNC, CP and such) inevitable when coordinated action was needed.

See the many DU reports on the multi-centered ongoing anti-vote-fraud efforts or recent GOTV work for concrete examples.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:06 AM
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34. It's true. I had people tonight lecturing me on electronic voting machines
As if I hadn't been screaming about them the past three years. Now THEY'RE telling ME. It's unstoppable. Thank Al Gore for the internet.
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