You know what? I'm glad Kerry lost!

[n2mark]

Yes, I was a supporter and worked for him but he does not need and deserve this mess in Iraq and the US. Let the shrub sit in it! I'm one of those who will not cross the aisle and hold hands with the shrub voters. This mess would have been blamed on Kerry for sure, so Rove and shrub may you sink in your swamp.

I can't stand Rove and can't stand shrub let all this bite them in the butt.

Just don't know when my anger will disappear, but one thing, I won't pray for them but will pray for all at DU.

[mstrsplinter326]

1. might not have lost though.... nt

[L84TEA]

2. ugh...I agree...yet...

All the lives he may of saved.

:think:

[Nik Jam]

8. yeah

Yeah, my dad always told me it would be good that Bush won, all the messes of Iraq and the economy would be blamed on Bush rather than Kerry. However I told him I didn't think it'd be worth the lives. Now when I think of Bush's next term I think of all the innocent people that will die that wouldn't have..

[Pirate Smile]

12. I wonder how many people voted for Bush based on this reasoning. I

have heard it more then a few times.

[libertad]

20. I agree with you although I hear alot of your dad's opinion, too.

[HEAVYHEART]

3. Yeah

That's the only thing I'm glad about. I was worried that if Kerry won, he would've been blamed for all this bullshit in Iraq, that bushco fucking started.

[bullimiami]

4. it will not bite them

once they control the government and the election machinery they can do whatever they want with no law to stop them.

[kikiek]

5. Also I will enjoy watching the "Christian " voters who over estimate

their power get pissed when none of what they want happens. He will screw them over too. They think they are going to be "paid" for their support. How arrogant is that? It is illegal for anyone else. But they come right out and say they expect favors.

[mzmolly]

6. Kerry didn't lose WE DID! The people of this Earth lost ... big time.

Don't forget, this is not about John Kerry (he served US.)

Though I get yer point.

[UCLA Dem]

7. I feel the same way. Let them clean up their own fucking mess.

[Pirate Smile]

9. Everybody is playing whatever mind games with themselves that they

need to just to get through this. If this works for you, go for it.

I know a lot of people think Bush should have to clean up his own mess.

I always think of two words though when I hear these arguments - Supreme Court.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

10. Kerry might feel the same way

but he didn't look very happy conceding the other day.

[LittleClarkie]

30. There have been toons

with a very sad-looking Kerry walking away from:

1. a rather large pile of poo labeled "Iraq"

and

2. Dubya wrestling with a bunch of snakes labeled "war", "health care", "economy" and such.

Each time, I thought, "And bless his heart, he wanted that mess so he could fix it for us."

John Kerry doesn't come close to showing emotion in public like that for nothing. I still feel very badly for him. Every time I think about how confident and happy he looked, and how I hear he'd started writing his acceptance speech around 7 pm when he thought he was winning, I end up in tears all over again.

I'm going to be behind him regardless.

[bigtree]

11. it can get much worse

and will. Wish we had a president Kerry. he would take charge and assume responsibility.

[ElizabethEdwards]

13. Understand the sentiment, but . . .

we all needed Kerry to win. Sure it is going to tough to get out of all the holes that George Bush has dug for us on so many fronts, but we need for Kerry to have been the one getting us out, rather than Bush digging us deeper. And that doesn't even count one of the most important, if not the most important reason:
The Supreme Court.

[slutticus]

19. Absolutely

The prospect of this president appointing three or four new justices (which is entirely possible) scares me to the core.

I don't think people quite grasp just how serious this could be.

[Mandate My Ass]

21. a presidential term is limited to 4-8 years *TOPS*

a single SCOTUS sppointment (2-4 of which will soon present themselves) will tilt the court rightward for decades or longer.

[spotbird]

31. Yes we needed him, but we still need him.

The credible questions about the validity of this election linger, his leadership is essential to insure that these issues will not fade away. It is the future of the democracy that is at stake, Senators Kerry and Edwards have within their grasp the opportunity to demand that the American electoral system be a beacon for the world.

If you need convincing that elections can be fixed please read this short link, http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/press/pressitem.asp?ref=160 it describes probable fraud two years ago in dry academic language. Noting has been done as a result, despite the obvious nature of the fraud. The time has come to take a stand, enough is enough.

If Kerry and your husband don't demand that the legitimacy of the election be insured, there is no point in campaigning at all. That demanding accountability won't change the outcome makes the any concern on their part for the accuracy of the count all the more credible. It would take true political courage to stand and say, where I want to put this election behind me, but I can't until my supporters have confidence that every vote cast was counted. It is time to fix the system.

My prayers are with you for a speedy recovery.

[A Brand New World]

14. I wanted so very much for Kerry to win. The only upside to the supposed

loss is that now * does have to clean up his own mess in Iraq. But unfortunately there will be many, many more deaths, both U.S. military and contractors and Iraqi innocents.

[Mandate My Ass]

15. Thanks for demonstrating and perpetrating

the most egregious vote fraud apologia on this site that has been proferred to date. Bush will never pay for his failures and crimes his administration has committed and will never be forced to clean up the messes he has created through ineptitude and deception, as the pattern of avoidance his biography so clearly documents.

His father (and brothers) never paid for the obvious crimes they so openly committed and were never investigated for those in which circumstantial evidence was overwhelming, so why should he? Especially since the press has decided he is godlike and beyond reproach.

[Demit]

16. except that we ALL sit in the mess he has made...

and he won't consider it a mess. He's not reality-based, remember? The economy's booming, Iraq's a success...

And he's never had to clean up his own mess in his entire life anyway. That's what other people are for.

[seabeyond]

17. i told my sons, the dems were kind enough to offer to fix all

bush's mess, and bush declined by stealing the election. the fool man that he is didnt realize would have been better to run away. and concluded as you say............now bush can clean up his mess

[Karenina]

18. I'm gonna say this real s-l-o-w and s-i-m-p-l-e.

Your votes AND the votes of millions of expatriates who retain theris right to participate in the American "democratic process" were STOLEN by fraudulent machines. If American citizens ALLOW the EC to certify this back-alley abortion Lady Liberty is a DEAD DUCK. FORGET 2006.

http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater256.html

[GRLMGC]

22. Somehow

this doesn't make me feel any better considering how screwed we are, but hey, that's just me.

[blackwell]

23. somehow

well, Kerry may run again in 08....I just hope that during the next 4 yrs. he clears up all the Swift Boat crap. That new Newsweek article will be long forgotten.

[idiosyncratic]

24. Uh . . . when are people on DU going to stop saying "lost?"

Kerry did not lose this election.

It was Stolen!

[VOX]

25. The judges, the judges, the judges, the judges, the judges, the judges...

Can't repeat it often enough.

* has already appointed some 200-odd federal judges -- judges who will be interpreting the laws of the land for **decades** to come. It was a *-appointed judge in Ohio that made the difference in a vote which allowed the GOP to challenge voters at the polls there -- just one small example of what's happening.

One Supreme Court justice is already throwing bolts, and will probably be replaced very soon. As many as two others could retire during the next four years -- making the highest court in the land EXTREMELY right wing. These are lifetime appointments -- it will mean many, many, many years of right-wing ideology being the final word.

This alone was reason to elect Kerry.

It sickens me to even post this -- that's how depressed this issue makes me.

[librechik]

27. exactly--this is a catastrophe for Americans

welcome to the Inquisition.

[n2mark]

26. Yes

I do understand and believe your feelings but I do believe in Karma. Karma bit Nixon in the butt too. Although the shrub and rove got away with a lot, their day of reckoning is coming. I am not saying stop voter fraud, keep it coming, keep everything coming, don't stop. One can do crimes, but eventually criminals get caught. People will eventually catch on, it may take awhile, but these liars and cheaters will be caught in their own web. After blackbox we need to hit the churches.

Eventually the media is going to tire of being used and being the laughing stock of America.... eventually the media is going to rebel. One can only be made fun of -- until one begins to rebel. The media is being abused by the WH, I don't think they will take this for four more years. There will be a revolt. Keep hitting them please especially if they feel they are sinking too.

I've had 10 friends who will not watch FOX and CNN anymore, I let them know about this, hmmm... with all of you who refuse to watch cable you should let them know too. If they believe they lost many listeners, maybe they will change. Just hit their pocketbook.

If the press is not embarrassed during press conferences, they should, we need to let them know too.

[Mandate My Ass]

28. The media is never going to tire of anything

I worked in the media for many years, if you don't toe the line your articles don't run or run so heavily edited as to not to be recognizable.

The people who work for media and the people who own media are working at cross purposes and those who own media will win. Press conferences are owned by the elite and they will never bite the hand that feeds them. As far as journalistic credibility goes, we are already the laughingstock of the world and we would all realize this if we had remotely honest and open reporting here.

The cable media will not change, although boycotts are a good idea and might cause them to temper their coverage a bit. Karma bit Nixon for many reasons, some of which we'll never know, but whatever the origin of his karmic comeuppance, it only worked because we still had the Fairness Doctrine, and an economic and ethical investment in investigative reportage, which we no longer have.

[AlFrankenFan]

29. Sounds exactly like something my friend said...

Leaving this mess up to Shrub who didn't know how to or want to prevent it in the first place is not the solution. And it's not just Shrub who is going to pay for his mistakes...the whole country will. Families like mine who are barely making ends meet, or have a mentally ill child, or have children (me and my brother) who will be soon off to college. Why should we have to pay for his mistakes as well?