"... against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

[Cyrano]

Every military person and federal employee takes an oath which includes the line "... to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Virtually every major power in the history of the world was destroyed from within. The Bush Administration not only stole the 2000 election, but as is becoming more apparent by the moment, also stole this one.

Every person who took that oath, (and I'm one of them), have a duty to look at what has happened to our country. The biggest threat to our country is, to any reasonable person, domestic. The question, therefore, is to decide what, when and how to resist the domestic enemies that are presently in control of all the levers of power.

This is NOT a call for violence or revolution. But it is a call for every person who took this oath to find a way to fulfill it, without tearing this country apart.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. shhh... the country is already on its way

to tearing itself apart.

I wish people realized this by now

[atreides1]

2. Actually...

The military version "...do solemnly swear(or affirm)that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..."

This is followed by the part of obeying the orders of the President and the officers appointed above you, IAW regulations and the UCMJ.

But to me, the fact that my faith and allegiance to the Constitution,
is more binding then military regulations or the UCMJ.

Can we resist without resorting to the use of violence, that depends on what the other side does. If they insist on violating any of the Bill of Rights, if they insist on trampling on the Constitution for
their own fanatic agenda, then no, violence, revolution will be unavoidable.

We cannot avoid the coming storm, we have tried talking, and the fundies and the fanatics don't want to hear it. They insist that this is a Christian nation, when it isn't. They insist that they are right and we are wrong, their beliefs have a higher priority then ours, they
should be able to lord over us pagans who don't buy the kool-aid that
they're selling.

What will you do when they come to take a neighbor away in the night, just like their Nazi heroes that they now want to emulate.

I am afraid that in order to fix this country, it will have to be torn apart and this time, should we win, it has to be clear that this country is open to those who wish to live under the rule of law, who
believe in individual liberty, and who believe in the right that all Americans are entitled to justice, freedom, and equality.

Those that cannot live with these concepts should be pitied, but they should also be denied the very rights that they would deny others.

Perhaps we can do this without violence, without revolution, but don't count on it. To me my duty is clear, the Constitution is sacred,
and I have sworn an oath to God to defend it, and I will not go back on that oath.

[Cyrano]

4. atreides1: Your posting makes the assumption that

everyone who voted for Bush was a religious fundamentalist. Yes, they were a large part of his vote. But the remainder were business people who sought to profit from another Bush criminal enterprise, people who are terrified to death that terrorists are going to attack places like Fergus Falls, North Dakota. Or they are, to put it in a perspective that scares the shit out of me, absolute and total morons.

We can't stop these people from voting, nor should we. It's their right. It's also their right to be so incredibly stupid that they will end up living in a fascist state without ever being able to grasp how that came about.

But to give into the idea, which you seem to be suggesting, that another civil war is inevitable, is unacceptable to me.

The Civil War was a North/South conflict. The idea of neighbor against neighbor, family against family, is a recipe for some version of Armageddon that the fundies are slobbering for.

Don't encourage the crazy bastards. They're deluded enough without getting further reason from us for them to pursue their fanaticism. Somehow, we have to find a way for sanity to prevail. The alternatives are unthinkable.

[merbex]

3. I always thought it was significant that Richard Clarke's

book had that title- Against All Enemies

knowing the next line

[Cyrano]

5. Jeeeez, you're right. Never occurred to me. Great observation.