Cuyahoga County Precincts -- BBV Vote fraud -- More votes than people!

[cthrumatrix]

Cuyahoga County Precincts


There have been several emails regarding this page. I will be inquiring to Cuyahoga County in the coming days. It seems that the precinct/ward differences may be where the problem is as the official summary report does not show these spikes in turn-out.

The summary, however, does not report on the number of registered voters for precincts or wards, whereas the referenced link does. I am using the referenced link data below (more complete totals), not the summary report, which only reflects total districts.


Each precinct in Cuyahoga County, Ohio
Highlighted areas represent 90% (very VERY unlikely) and higher (up to 1160.78%) voter TURN-OUT! 30 are above 100%
Calculated from data on county page - http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm

http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html

check out the table....the boxes in yellow represent more votes than people.....unfricking believable!

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. 34 counties??!! I suppose BUSH won in all those counties?

I think we need a REVOTE NATIONWIDE! A revote on paper with a pen! :grr:

[T Roosevelt]

3. I believe that's precincts...not counties

[RedEagle]

32. Because it falls off as its own post- important recount information

And here are the recount laws. Note that in some states, you don't even have to be a candidate.

Here is a site for recount information, by state:

http://www.electionline.org/site/docs/html/recount_provisions_-_part_1.htm

Here is another site that has the specific law/codes for recounts by state:

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/procedures_recount07.html


Some states are more open than others. But even in the states where it's tight, the point is not that only the presidential race can be recounted. Any race can. And if the totals are off, the whole authenticity of the election is gone.

[cthrumatrix]

2. 34 precincts have more votes than people...some by a wide margin !

[riverwalker]

4. 97,489 fraudulant votes on one county

Then this was how it was done. If one county alone provided 97,489 fake votes, it would easily amount to the 3 million nationwide.

"This amounts to 97,489 EXTRA votes beyond 100% in those precincts! This is just for ONE county!"

[Lost Creek]

36. We have two countys in Colorado that ---

El paso and Douglas counties account for "*" victory in Colorado.
2 to 1 votes for *

Clear Creek county is split 60 - 40 in favor of the bad guys but the voters gave a clean sweep to the Dem.s. I do not believe "*" could get a 2 to 1 margin anywhere in Colorado.

[mountainvue]

38. El Paso? That's Colorado Springs.

Home Of Dobson and Focus On the Family and the Air Force Academy.

[Jersey Devil]

5. Are the districts with 100+% turnout Republican districts

I Googled one, Moreland Hills Vil and came accross a real estate page showing a home for sale for $524,000 (http://www.realtyone.com/s.cogan/MyListings.asp) in a suburban setting, so my uneducated guess is that this is a Republican area.

Anyone from Ohio here who can tell us the nature of these towns politically in Cuyahoga County?

[LTRS]

15. I lived there for 25 yrs

Some of the burbs are very working class, some are very wealthy republican areas. For instance, Beechwood, Moreland Hills, Bay Villiage, Middleburg Hts, all very republican. Places like Bedford are more working class and lots of minorities. I'd have to see the whole list to lay them out for you and I have to run to work. I'll check it out when I get back.

[pleiku52cab]

6. Don't worry

Ohio will follow Florida's example of changing the 'raw' data when they release the 'official' results. KKKKarl is too smart to leave such an obvious trail of FRAUD just laying around.

[Jersey Devil]

7. Another, Middleburg Heights 100+ town

Races in Middleburg Heights:

White Non-Hispanic (93.9%)
Black (1.3%)
Two or more races (1.3%)
Asian Indian (1.3%)
Hispanic (1.3%)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Middleburg-Heights-Ohio.html

[Jersey Devil]

8. Bay Village - 134% turnout

Median resident age: 41.1 years
Median household income: $70,397 (year 2000)
Median house value: $168,400 (year 2000)

New: Bay Village, OH residents, houses, and apartments details

Races in Bay Village:

White Non-Hispanic (97.3%)
Hispanic (1.0%)
Two or more races (0.7%)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Bay-Village-Ohio.html

[Jersey Devil]

9. Bedford 145% turnout

Population (year 2000): 14,214, Est. population in July 2002: 13,974 (-1.7% change)
Males: 6,704 (47.2%), Females: 7,510 (52.8%)

Elevation: 960 feet

County: Cuyahoga

Land area: 5.4 square miles

Zip code: 44146

Median resident age: 39.0 years
Median household income: $36,943 (year 2000)
Median house value: $92,400 (year 2000)

New: Bedford, OH residents, houses, and apartments details

Races in Bedford:

White Non-Hispanic (78.4%)
Black (17.6%)
Two or more races (1.6%)
Hispanic (1.1%)
American Indian (0.7%)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Bedford-Ohio.html

[Jersey Devil]

10. Beachwood 145% turnout - anyone see a pattern here?

Population (year 2000): 12,186, Est. population in July 2002: 12,036 (-1.2% change)
Males: 5,369 (44.1%), Females: 6,817 (55.9%)

Elevation: 1190 feet

County: Cuyahoga

All fairly well to do Cleveland burbs

Land area: 5.3 square miles

Zip code: 44122

Median resident age: 51.6 years
Median household income: $65,406 (year 2000)
Median house value: $244,700 (year 2000)

New: Beachwood, OH residents, houses, and apartments details

Races in Beachwood:

White Non-Hispanic (85.9%)
Black (9.1%)
Asian Indian (1.2%)
Two or more races (1.0%)
Chinese (0.8%)
Hispanic (0.8%)
Korean (0.5%)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Beachwood-Ohio.html

[Lindsay]

12. I'm originally from Cuyahoga County,

and I THOUGHT I was seeing a pattern...but thanks, Jersey Devil, for getting into the actual data.

[Jersey Devil]

11. Brooklyn 153% turnout

Population (year 2000): 11,586, Est. population in July 2002: 11,414 (-1.5% change)
Males: 5,555 (47.9%), Females: 6,031 (52.1%)

Elevation: 765 feet

County: Cuyahoga

Land area: 4.3 square miles

Zip code: 44144

Median resident age: 41.8 years
Median household income: $36,046 (year 2000)
Median house value: $108,800 (year 2000)

New: Brooklyn, OH residents, houses, and apartments details

Races in Brooklyn:

White Non-Hispanic (90.6%)
Hispanic (3.9%)
Black (1.7%)
Other race (1.6%)
Two or more races (1.6%)
American Indian (0.6%)
Chinese (0.6%)
Vietnamese (0.6%)
Asian Indian (0.5%)

[Jersey Devil]

13. Brooklyn Heights 163%

Population (year 2000): 1,558, Est. population in July 2002: 1,549 (-0.6% change)
Males: 750 (48.1%), Females: 808 (51.9%)

Elevation: 710 feet

County: Cuyahoga

Land area: 1.8 square miles

Zip code: 44131

Median resident age: 41.6 years
Median household income: $47,847 (year 2000)
Median house value: $141,700 (year 2000)

New: Brooklyn Heights, OH residents, houses, and apartments details

Races in Brooklyn Heights:

White Non-Hispanic (96.5%)
Hispanic (1.3%)
Black (0.8%)
Two or more races (0.6%)
Other race (0.5%)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Brooklyn-Heights-Ohio.html

[Jersey Devil]

14. Chagrin Falls Vil - 136% - last one for me

Clearly these are the well heeled burbs

Population (year 2000): 4,024, Est. population in July 2002: 3,963 (-1.5% change)
Males: 1,846 (45.9%), Females: 2,178 (54.1%)

Elevation: 927 feet

County: Cuyahoga

Land area: 2.1 square miles

Zip codes: 44022, 44023.

Median resident age: 43.1 years
Median household income: $62,917 (year 2000)
Median house value: $234,700 (year 2000)

New: Chagrin Falls, OH residents, houses, and apartments details

Races in Chagrin Falls:

White Non-Hispanic (98.0%)
Hispanic (0.9%)
Two or more races (0.5%)

[elaineb]

44. Wow, what a 2004 turnout in Chagrin Falls!

I think someone may have already pointed out the discrepancy between population figures and votes cast, but also toss in 2000 ballot statistics, and what a mess it is!:

(Thanks to Jersey Devil on the demographic figures)

Chagrin Falls' population in 2000: 4,024
(Couldn't find # of registered voters on BOE site)
Total ballots cast in 2000 General Election: 1,989

Chagrin Falls' population in July 2002 (est.): 3,963
Number of registered voters for 2004: 3,557
Total ballots cast in 2004 General Election: 4,860

Not only is the number of ballots cast in 2004 significantly larger than the number of registered voters and estimated population, but the number of registered voters in proportion to the estimated population seems very odd. Are there really that few under-18's and apoliticals in Chagrin Falls?

In case it helps determine irregularities when the candidate breakdown figures are finally posted by the BOE:

In the 2000 election in Chagrin Falls, Bush/Cheney received 58.22% of the votes; Gore/Lieberman received 36.19%.

[bones_7672]

16. DON'T GET YOUR HOPES UP!!

Grab a calculator, check the results for yourselves, you'll find that somebody at the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections sometimes forgets how to add. For instance, take the results for Mayfield Village. The Americans4America site points out that the BOE states that there 2764 registered voters with 3145 votes cast. Seems fishy, right? But if you add up the BOE votes cast by precinct you only get 1760 votes cast. Plain and simple, somebody at the BOE DIDN'T ADD FOUR NUMBERS CORRECTLY.

If we try to make too big of a deal at this we're going to end up just getting laughed at and discrediting our argument.

Sorry to be a wet blanket!

[Jersey Devil]

17. They are added by computer - a very bad computer

or a very bad (or dishonest) computer operator. Are you trying to suggest to me that Diebold results are tallied with a paper, pencil and calculator?

[HFishbine]

18. Not sure what you are talking about

Maybe I'm missing something, but you say "if you add up the BOE votes (for Mayfield Village) cast by precinct..."

But the Americans4America page shows Mayfield Village as a single precinct, with 2764 registered voters and 3145 ballots cast. What are the four numbers you assert weren't added correctly?

[Mister K]

19. There are SUB-TOTALS in the report

If you look and tally the individual line items, the report adds up.

[HFishbine]

21. So

Is the suggestion that the BOE managed to correctly add the sub-totals for the registered voters but consistently failed to correctly add the sub-totals for ballots cast? Why would that be?

[Mister K]

26. OK.

The sub-totals are wrong. They are way over the number of registered voters. The sub-totals would be lower if they were adding votes to Bush. Right? This is assuming that they ran the totals and then modified the data.

[HFishbine]

27. Huh?

I can't make sense of your post.

[Mister K]

39. Ignore my last post...check this thead out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=30372&mesg_id=30372&page=

[Oilwellian]

20. Did ya notice on election night....

All of the red states were quickly called for Bush, but most of the blue states lingered on and on and on, hours after the polls closed, before they posted a final tally? I knew then we were had.

IMHO, this is a smoking gun. How could they possibly think they'd get away with inflating the numbers like this?

[JackRiddler]

22. Thanks for this tabular rendering, whoever did it...

Below is what I've been passing around by mail - all discovered here on this most important of all DU boards - and in some searching of my own I found that some of the most suspect townships are actually majority black.

Remember, in machine fraud it's not who administrates the county or what its demographics are - it's who controls or has access to the machines that matters.

For example optical scan/central count is exactly what it sounds like: central count.

(County administrations matter with the more traditional methodologies of voter intimidation or just faking it all behind closed doors like in Warren Cty., of course.)

To really work this scam, they would have wanted to tuck the extra votes into different precincts. But the clumsiness of ballots cast exceeding 100 percent of the registered voters in a bunch of wards is amazing - talk about exposure.

We need people hitting Cuyahoga BOE and the media about this hard today - we need to find out what machines / methods are used in each ward. I breathlessly await...

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Subject: Cuyahoga Cty. Ohio: Fraud too obvious - a trick?!

This may be the definitive smoking gun!

According to the "preliminary figures" of Nov. 3, currently posted at the site of the Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) Board of Elections, figures for the ballots cast in many of the county's wards FAR exceed the total registered voters.

These preliminary figures do not contain the election results; only figures for registered voters and ballots cast for each ward.

SAVE THIS PAGE NOW:
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm
I have attached it, just in case it changes by the time you read this...

Here are the suspect figures as compiled on a thread at Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x31367

.......................# Registered
Precinct................voters.........# votes cast..........% diff
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MAYFIELD................2764...........3145..................113.78%
MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS......12173..........14854.................122.02%
MORELAND HILLS..........2990...........4616..................154.38%
BEDFORD.................9942...........14465.................145.49%
BEDFORD HEIGHTS.........8142...........13512.................165.95%
OAKWOOD VIL.............2746...........7099..................258.52%
HIGHLAND HILLS VIL......760............8822..................1160.79% (holy crap!)
WOODMERE VIL............558............8854..................1586.73% (holy crap!)

I've checked all of the above figures and they are indeed what the BOE page shows still, five days later. (A compilation showing more discrepancies, as compiled from the same Cuyahoga BOE page, is below.)

The breakdowns for localities in the "final results" are not nearly as granular but at the level of House and State Senate districts, so that these discrepancies are hidden.
FINAL RESULTS http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/EL45.txt

Someone has to go in there and add it all up on a spreadsheet to see how the preliminaries are reflected in the "finals." A whole bunch of someones also have to call the Cuyahoga BOE first thing Tuesday morning.

At any rate, the final Bush/Kerry score is predictably to Kerry's advantage, 433,262 to 215,624. This is a great place to hide an extra 20,000 for either without anyone taking note, is it not?

Go here to find out demographics for towns:
http://www.city-data.com/city/Oakwood-Ohio.html

Woodmere Village, Highland Hills and Bedford Heights are heavily or majority black townships. Could this begin to explain the 20% increase in the black vote for Bush?!

Oakwood is 96 percent white.

This one is blowing my mind!!!

Confusion reigns in the info about how the vote in Cuyahoga is counted. Electionline.org says Cuyahoga vote count is by punch card, the less differentiated verifiedvoting.org calls it optical scan, but either way - I think it's magic.

Were the vote fraud perpetrators really this clumsy? I would guess it's true of all election frauds - the only way it's ever done is on the strength of intimidation, denial and polite assent by the defrauded.

Are we going to assent to the snuffing of the last democratic spark for fear of looking impolite?

Additional discrepancies (I haven't checked all):

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults...

Bay Village: 13,710 registered voters; 18,663 ballots cast
Beachwood: 9,943 registered voters; 13,939 ballots cast
Bedford: 9,942 registered voters; 14,465 ballots cast
Bedford Heights: 8,142 registered voters; 13,512 ballots cast
Brooklyn: 8,016 registered voters; 12,303 ballots cast
Brooklyn Heights: 1,144 registered voters; 1,869 ballots cast
Chagrin Falls (VIL): 3,557 registered voters; 4,860 ballots cast
Cuyahoga Heights: 570 registered voters; 1,382 ballots cast
Fairview Park: 13,342 registered voters; 18,472 ballots cast
Highland Hills: 760 registered voters; 8,822 ballots cast
Independence: 5,735 registered voters; 6,226 ballots cast
Mayfield (VIL): 2,764 registered voters; 3,145 ballots cast
Middleburg Heights: 12,173 registered voters; 14,854 ballots cast
North Olmsted: 25,794 registered voters; 25,887 ballots cast
Oakwood (VIL): 2,746 registered voters; 7,099 ballots cast
Olmsted Falls: 6,538 registered voters; 7,328 ballots cast
Pepper Pike: 5,131 registered voters; 6,479 ballots cast
Rocky River: 16,600 registered voters; 20,070 ballots cast
Solon (Ward 6): 2,292 registered voters; 4,300 ballots cast
South Euclid: 16,902 registered voters; 16,917 ballots cast
Strongsville (Ward 3): 7,806 registered voters; 12,108 ballots cast
University Heights: 10,072 registered voters; 11,982 ballots cast
Warrensville Heights: 10,562 registered voters; 15,039 ballots cast
Woodmere (VIL): 558 registered voters; 8,854 ballots cast

[SoCalDem]

25. Now we know why Rove went to OHio on election day, don't we?

Those pesky exit polls that got leaked were indicating that they did not tweak things enough, and at the last minute somebody got scared, and bumped the numbers too much :)


Love it..:)

[Jersey Devil]

23. Duh!! Isn't Cuyahoga County Kucinich's district?

He probably could answer all these questions in a nanosecond

[cthrumatrix]

30. i'm waiting to hear the reasons

[cthrumatrix]

24. what is shocking is the media SILENCE ... no investigations

of our democracy our allowed...this is absolute bullshit.

[bones_7672]

28. DON'T GET YOUR HOPES UP!! - Part 2

OK, here are the details from the BOE report

REGISTERED VOTERS - MAYFIELD VIL 2764 (this is the TOTAL)
REGISTERED VOTERS - MYVL WD1 670 (Ward 1)
REGISTERED VOTERS - MYVL WD2 668 (Ward 2)
REGISTERED VOTERS - MYVL WD3 668 (Ward 3)
REGISTERED VOTERS - MYVL WD4 668 (Ward 4)

Wards 1 thru 4 add up, to 2764

Further down the report we get these numbers:

BALLOTS CAST MAYFIELD VIL 3145 (this is the incorrect total)
BALLOTS CAST MYVL WD1 454
BALLOTS CAST MYVL WD2 442
BALLOTS CAST MYVL WD3 447
BALLOTS CAST MYVL WD4 387

Adding up the four wards only results in 1730 votes!
This is proof of a math error, not fraud!

[elaineb]

37. Yes, get your hopes up!

Oy Vey, what am I saying?? I don't really want there to be fraud, because it means our whole democracy is dangerously close to swirling down the toilet.

However:

If you go to this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x30372

and look at my reply from earlier (#71), I found on the Canvass Report page that the 3,145 total was derived from the 1,760 ballots cast (I assume on Nov. 2) plus 1,385 absentee ballots. Therefore, it doesn't appear to have been a math error.

[Mister K]

41. Agreed!

I check out the number and there is a problem. Check this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=30372&mesg_id=30372&page=

[HuskerDem]

45. Oh, YES - Don't investigate any further! Pay no attention to that man

behind the curtain! Instead, accept the assumptions of a self-described wet blanket.

Be docile. Be quiet. Surrender meekly with a nice little shuffle dance and a big ole' smile. Yahssuhr. You-uz right az always suhr. We'z jus beein' silly. Fuh-givz us?

[Merlin]

29. Does anybody have the Bush-Kerry breakdown by precinct?

Cuyahoga County's website doesn't have it!!!

[Mister K]

40. Check here...

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/canvas.htm

[LuCifer]

31. 88,804+ here in Palm Beach

And we're supposed to believe that this "glitch" was just an isolated incident or something, sure. I mean, they only stole it ONCE here (2000) so I'm sure they wouldn't try anything funny a 2nd time around...

Lu

[nancyharris]

33. Grrrr… Can’t any of you people read?

Read the red text explanation of how to calculate votes cast in municipalities with wards on the Cuyahoga Board of election site. There is even a phone number there if you have questions. There is NO municipality in Cuyahoga County that had more votes cast than registered voters!

This is Dennis Kucinich’s county. Do you think that if there was even a hint of voter fraud in this county that Dennis would not be on top of this?

[Merlin]

34. So where the hell is the B/K vote breakdown?

And you are not right about that. There are quite a number of municipalities reporting without wards where the total votes exceed the registered totals. The most notorious of these is the last on the list, Woodmere Village. But there's also University Heights. And Valley View Village, where I grew up. And many more. Check it out.

[Mister K]

43. Here

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/canvas.htm

[archineas]

35. i live in cuyahoga county

to begin with, cuyahoga county used punch cards, not electronic voting machines.

the other important distinction, is that the western portion of cuyahoga county is dennis kucinich's district, and would include middleburgh hts and brooklyn hts, but none of the eastern burbs. for those you have to talk to stephanie tubbs-jones.

j

[Mister K]

42. Then how did the absentee ballot thing work?

You are correct in saying that the votes cast was not more then the registered voters. When you add in the absentee ballots from one of the precicts, it went over the total number of registered voters. For example:

Looking at the detail data. The total number of votes cast for Mayfield Village is 1760. The number of absentee votes is 1385 making the total vote count 3145. The number of registered voters for Mayfield is 2764.

The 3145 number is the Sub-Total on the report we have all be looking at which I thought was a miscalculation.

This leaves only one of two possibilites. People voted more then once or the numbers were altered.

For detailed information check here:
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/canvas.htm