We should seriously consider running a Southerner

[Endangered Specie]

Democrat in 2008 for president

Look at this past track record since 1960:

Southerners:
Clinton (Ark)- won 2 terms easily
Gore (Tenn)- won 1 term
Carter (Geo)- won 1 term well, lost the other.
Johnson (TX) - VP of Kennedy, won 1 term in a massive landslide

Elsewhere:
Kerry (MA) - 'lost'
Dukakis (MA) - lost badly
Mondale (Minn) - lost horribly
McGovern (SD) - lost just as horribly
Humphrey (SD) - lost.
JFK (MA) - won (barely), shot.

[blackcat77]

1. Humphrey was from Minnesota

And there was a lot more involved in each of those elections than just the home state of the candidates.

[Endangered Specie]

4. true... but he was still born in SD

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAhumphreyH.htm

Either way, those are non-southern states.

[Philostopher]

2. If we can keep him out of the senate,

Warner in Virginia might be a 'possible.' I know nothing about him, just that I've heard his name tossed around.

Notice the other thing -- many of those who have run and lost were senators, not governors, regardless of state. For some reason, 'inside the beltway' seems to play against our guys. Hell, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, even the Naked Emperor was a governor. Don't ask me why, since people will say foreign policy experience is important, but they seem more inclined to vote for governors than senators or congressmen.

[mstrsplinter326]

3. we should seriously consider running someone with some balls

to believe in anything not defined by the republicans as some reactionary response.

sorry - venting

[Skip Intro]

5. *if* no Kerry 08 ticket, then what about Warner(VA)/Richardson(NM)?

Without another Kerry run (which I would support), I think Warner/Richardson could have a real appeal throughout the South East and South West.

I could see Landreiu (sp?) or Obama in the mix as well.

Hell, why not Warner/Landreiu - a double southern ticket? Could we still count on the states carried this time?

[leftofthedial]

6. why not just run a republican?

[Endangered Specie]

7. What do you mean by that?

[nemo137]

8. for once, I'd like a president who sounds like me

I was born in Mass., and now live in Illinois. Why can't we run Durbin?

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[BlueJazz]

12. ROTFLMAO!!! I love it...I know what the Fuck you mean!

I live in the South and I'm sick of the voters only having one choice because "That thar feller is one uf them Yan-Keeys".
Screw the Ignorant Hillbillys...I'd rather go down in flames than cater to that pack of worthless human trash...

[genius]

10. And how much did Edwards help us with North Carolina

We need to consolidate the north.

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[psyntist]

14. Yer damn yankee

I resemble that remark. I am a southner and really am not liking the tone of this particular set of bashing.

Carter sure was/is a "asshole" We sure wouldn't want another president like him.
Clinton sure was/is a "asshole. We do not need another president like him.

Hell, I would take those two over that guy we ran this year.

[Bluebear]

17. Ivins and Richards.....

Two rays of sunshine who speak for us with a Texas twang. There are great people in every state. I think we could run God and have Him do a drawl and he wouldn't beat the Republicans as long as we have unaccountable voting machines.

[psyntist]

19. Tired of this

If we ran a good campaign that garnered 60% of the vote, BBV would not matter. We would win. It is one thing to sway an election a few points but to sway it greater than 10 points would be noticable.

We need to get a core set of values, a better message and better candidates. That will solve our problems.

[Spider Jerusalem]

18. Wow. Bit narrow-minded and intolerant, aren't we?

Would you think twice about voting for Bill Clinton, assuming he could run? Or Jimmy Carter?

Way to wield that broad brush, there.

I hate intolerant bigots who reduce everything to stereotypes, regardless of where they're from...so guess where that puts you?

[DELUSIONAL]

13. It does not matter who we run -- THEY count the votes

We could run Jesus Christ -- he would not win because their side counts the votes -- black box voting.

Anyone on the democratic side would be a complete fool to run and it would be a huge waste of money UNLESS we get all the computer voting machines destroyed (legally of course).

[psyntist]

15. One small problem

Ever since the DNC has given up on the South, there are few leaders emerging from this region. We just do not have the infrastructure to nurture the leaderships skills necessary to make a run for the white house. Plus all the decent local politcians stay local due to the difficulty in running for state wide office.

[Endangered Specie]

20. Our governor in NC does a decent job...

Id like to see him emerge, though he knows that to keep his job he cant fully associate with the National level.

[Catholic Sensation]

25. Mike Easley is a shithead

did absolutely NOTHING to help John Kerry in NC.

[Endangered Specie]

32. Yeah, if he did he would lose...

politics is politics.


edit:
and lets face it we never had a real chance in this state in the pres election.

[Laelth]

37. John Edwards isn't a leader?

What, exactly, are you saying?

Cuz, at this stage, I ain't buyin' it.

-Laelth

[Nordic]

16. It doesn't MATTER who we run! Until we deal with BBV!!!

So quit talking about it! Deal with BBV! Blast the media, spread it around, do something!

[LibertyorDeath]

21. If we run Christ agaisnt Diebold who will win?

[Endangered Specie]

22. kick

[cheezus]

23. ...for the president of the confederacy

[MisterP]

24. don't confuse correlation with causalty:

Dukakis and McGovern started out with large leads until dirty tricks did 'em in. If Humphrey had gone anti-Vietnam-War two weeks earlier, it's quite likely he'd have won.
It's also rather hard to draw useful conclusions when the sample size is TEN.

[bunkerbuster1]

33. Like MisterP said. Also...

why haven't we gone after those cretins for their own regional bigotry? If I had a nickel for every time I heard "Massachusetts Liberal" hurled as if it were some kind of a slur, I'd be the next George Fornicatin' Soros.

[jzodda]

26. Name one....

Name one southern dem that has what it takes to run and win..Off hand I can not think of any. Edwards perhaps...They are a dying breed

Personally I think Bill Richardson who was a Clinton Biggie and now is the gov of new mexico would make a great candidate. He has got charisma, is a good speaker, would be the first ever hispanic candidate for president, could deliver new mexico for sure and could break away some of those areas that are only nominally red. The perpetual swing states like Florida and Ohio, New mexico and Nevada, etc..

[smirkymonkey]

27. Better yet, let the south secede...

I am tired of southern "values" running the lives of those of us in the Northeast. We are too polarized for it to ever work out.

[Rooktoven]

28. John Edwards, people.

I'd like to see what would happen if he were given free rein at the top of the ticket.

Trust me. He would have won this time (by enough to make it hard to steal...)

[Voltaire]

29. Yet another reason we will continue to lose

Is falling for the tired old paradigm that only a Southerner at the top of the ticket is a winning one. If the best candidate is a southerner then FINE. But I am sick of entering elections after elections hearing that shit. Are Northerers NOTHING in this country?

I'm sorry if any of our great Southern DUers are offended by that, I do not mean to cause offense at all. I am just tired of having that shoved up ALL of our asses.

[Kammer]

30. Yes, and here is why

[GumboYaYa]

31. That is too simplistic of an analysis.

We don't necessarily need a Southerner, we just need someone who doesn't play straight into the narrative that Republicans have created for Democrats. Kerry, by virtue of being from Mass., played straight into the out-of touch liberal Democrat story too easily. The Mass. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage definitely did not help in that count.

The geographic origin of our next candidate is not as important as his (yes I assume it will be a man) cultural background. A rural farm boy who attended Baptist church and pulled himself up by his bootstraps to get a college degree will do better than Kerry regardless of whether he is from Wisconsin, Alabama, or New Mexico.

It is hard for many liberals to understand, but there is a sense among rural traditional voters that we are "talked down" to by east coast and "big city" politicians. I see the attitude here on DU all the time. Before the election many of us from the South warned about the flippant attitude towards rural voters (primarily fixated on teh South).

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. OK by me. How about Cynthia McKinney, Julien Bond or John Lewis?

Any of them would get my vote.

Of course, I don't think that's what you mean. You mean "moderates" who would happily sell us down the river, like Clinton, Carter, or "let's nail that coonskin to the wall" (referring to the Vietnamese) Johnson.

[Kammer]

35. Imagine life without Clinton or Carter

If you don't get everything "you" want, then you have been "sold down the river"

Yeah, you would be much better off now had they lost. I am sure that a second Bush 41 term and Bob Dole term woud have been much more comforting.

[Laelth]

36. Why run a southerner?

Kerry won, and he's a New England liberal. What are you talking about?

:shrug:

No more concessions to the GOP! Given the choice between a Republican and a Republican, the American people will elect the Republican every time.

-Laelth