Does anyone think Tenet HAS TO take the fall?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

In other words, does the Bush admin have the goods on Tenet r.e. 9/11 or something else? Do they have something so damaging against Tenet that he'd have to take the fall, take the disgrace, get fired, because it's better than the alternative?

I don't know if this is so or not. I'm quite sure Karl Rove works hard at creating such situations, but at the same time, I'm sure Tenet has worked to cover his own butt.

Thoughts?

[Not a robought]

1. Tenet was hired

while Clinton's penis was in office. That's a good enough reason for Rove to put it on Tenet.

[mainer]

2. Are you sure it isn't the other way around?

I've read some speculation that Tenet may actually have something damaging on Bush -- and that's the only reason Bush has allowed Tenet to stay on as long as he has. But now all bets seem to be off, with the finger pointing going both ways.

It's good to see the piranhas eating each other.

[caledesi]

3. Tenet is dangerous for them because

He warned these thugs about Bin Laden in Feb 01.

February 7, 2001: CIA Director Tenet warns Congress in open testimony that bin Laden and his global network remains ''the most immediate and serious threat" to US interests. "Since 1998 bin Laden has declared that all US citizens are legitimate targets," he says, adding that bin Laden ''is capable of planning multiple attacks with little or no warning."


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/timelinebefore911.html

[matt819]

17. If that's the case. . .

then there's no reason for him to take the fall and every reason for him to strike back and go public. I know this is anathema to someone in his position, but imho there is no other choice.

And even if we're all overstating the "he has something on shrub" assertion, then at the very least he should not take the fall on this latest passing of the buck. Get some backbone and speak up. The American people deserve no less.

[Frederic Bastiat]

4. If the 9/11 report is damaging I see him taking the fall n/t

[Hand]

5. Don't think so...

Tenet's a creature of Washington, DC and knows how to survive in that snakepit. If he were in a position to get hosed on this or something else, he'd be singing a different tune (or more accurately, he'd be allowing a different story to be leaked).

Right now, the real tone of desperation is coming from the WH. Today's statement from Condi Rice--whom I've always thought to be utterly incompetent in any area other than outdated anti-USSR Cold War diplomacy, which isn't much use these days--was disingenuous and an obvious pile of horsepucky. Hell, even NBC doesn't buy it.

I think you're right--Tenet's got his ass covered far better that Chimpy and his minions. He saw the poop approaching the fan and got the hell out of the way while the Chimpites were still outfitting Smirk with his codpiece.

My .02

Hand

[DisgustipatedinCA]

8. I like your analysis. Thanks. n/t

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

6. I think if the tag "Scapegoat" is pinned to Tenet's ear...

He's not going to go quietly. To see more and more of the major news agencies reporting this on the same day means it has the chance to explode in their faces.

[PretzelWarrior]

7. it could be good for his health to do so.

if he wants to retire to the sunny climes and enjoy some peace and not die in a plane or auto accident, he better think about doing just that.

[Perky]

9. Tenet will leave

EItieht he will fire back for Rice's comments and piss Rove off

or He will fall on his Sword... But remember He was a CLintom appointee so.... The repukes will blame this on a Bill Clinton Holdover trying to Sabotage the reelection bid.

[m_h_lovecraft]

10. Hmm - fucking over the CIA?

Sounds like a real bad idea to me... and it is definitely a testament to BushCo's arrogance, not to mention Condi's stunning lack of comprehension as to the "way of things."

[TheDonkey]

11. Bush better pack his bags!

Tenet should bring down Bush and his thugs if he cares about America!

I hope he tells the truth about the intellegence, that's his job.

[Az]

12. Tactics

The only path I see for Bush and Co to take is to keep Tenet and initiate a major restructuring of the intel community.

Condi may wind up taking the fall for sticking it to Tenet. Maybe censure or reprimand or something. Bush can't afford to let any of the team go. Particularly Tenet. If Tenet goes hostile its poison pill time.

They will try to shift the focus of the Condi comment to the intel community and then use the subterfuge to bury the coming 9/11 reports as well as any new bombs that pop up.

The trouble with this tactic is going to be resistance in the intel community. They are pissed already. Some action will have to be taken to discredit any such leaks or redirect the agents on something more pressing.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

14. So then...

Do you see this, for the administration, as 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'? Are they screwed no matter which way they jump? I certainly hope so, but like lots of others here, I've been conditioned to expect them to skate away from the problem like it was never there.

[mandyky]

13. Wish he'd be a whistleblower instead

of a scapegoat!!

[toska]

15. CIA vs WH

In a straight up contest I'd put my money on the CIA every time. Now does Tenet really control the CIA or are some of Poppy's acolytes in key places to keep this from hurting Bush?

[quilp]

16. They must have some kind of agreement with Tenet!

They are all suddenly reading from the same page on the same day.

[Dob Bole]

18. I don't know a lot about Tenet

but I do know that the intelligence community, including Tenet, is probably not just going to lay down and die for the administration.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. Bump, due to Tenet's Suckup Mea Culpa n/t

[scottxyz]

20. Blood in the water

I think Tenet always had the goods on them on 9/11

This is something I heard from Mike Ruppert at COPvCIA.com (permalink below). A few days ago Will Pitt interviewed 27-year CIA veteran Ray McGovern

McGovern also let Tenet off the hook for the biggest crime of the administration, allowing and facilitating the attacks of 9/11, saying, "My analysis is that George Bush had no option but to keep George Tenet on as Director, because George Tenet had warned Bush repeatedly, for months and months before September 11, that something very bad was about to happen". Even still McGovern let the Bush administration know that its conduct before the attacks was a sword of Damocles hanging over Bush's head.

"On August 6, the title of the {Presidential} briefing was, ‘Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US,' and that briefing had the word ‘Hijacking' in it. That's all I know about it, but that's quite enough. In September, Bush had to make a decision. Is it feasible to let go of Tenet, whose agency flubbed the dub on this one? And the answer was no, because Tenet knows too much about what Bush knew, and Bush didn't know what to do about it. That's the bottom line for me."

I {Ruppert} disagree with {Ray} McGovern---there is a record showing that the CIA knew about 9/11---but otherwise McGovern's analysis matched perfectly with FTW's of three months ago.

Here's Ruppert's quotes from Will Pitt's interview with CIA guy McGovern
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070103_beyond_bush_1.html

and here's Will Pitt's full interview with McGovern
http://truthout.org/docs_03/070803A.shtml

Elsewhere in Ruppert's report he says the first dagger drawn against Bush was an over-the-fold WaPo article back on June 22 by global reporter and long-time CIA PR mouthpiece Walter Pincus, showing that the CIA was starting to cover its ass on the Iraq-Niger uranium matter:

Of all of these stories, it is the June 22 front-page Washington Post story by Walter Pincus that tells me that Bush is cooked. Pincus is a CIA mouthpiece who wrote a 1967 column titled, "How I traveled the world on a CIA stipend." He was the major damage control spokesman when Pulitzer Prize winner Gary Webb's 1996 stories blew the lid off of CIA connections to Contra-connected cocaine being smuggled into Los Angeles. If any journalist is a weathervane for the tides of political fortune in a scandal like this it is Pincus. His role, though likely to be shared with other press organizations, will be the same as Woodward and Bernstein's in Watergate.

In that article, titled, "Report Cast Doubt on Iraq- Al Qaeda Connection" Pincus created a virtual airtight separation of the CIA from the White House. It was, in effect, a warning to Bush that if he sought an escape by blaming the Agency, it would backfire.

Hard to find the link to the original Pincus article on WaPo but he's syndicated all over the web, for example here:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0622-03.htm


But I'm wondering now: If Tenet was "the sword of Domocles" hanging over the Administration's head after 9/11 (because he could show that Bush knew about 9/11, and then they made some deal to keep Tenet on - why did Tenet make a deal to take the fall on Iraq for Bush?

It all comes down to how aligned you think the Bush mafia and the CIA mafia are. Some of us probably have always assumed they're one-and-the-same, particularly because Papa Bush was in the CIA (and because Grandpa Prescott was a Nazi).

But the way Ruppert tells it, the real power in the CIA is controlled by bigger, older money than the rag-taggle nouveau-riche Hitler-hanger-ons and Saudi slaveboys in the Bush clan: the real power in the CIA is still the old money like the Rockefellers. In this view, the Bush administration is just the frontmen who will be replaced. (I wonder how far down it will go. Most of the impeachment articles I've seen written up such as by Ramsey Clarke finger Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft. I'm sure there's plenty of evidence to throw Condi on the bonfire too. While we're at it Wolfowitz, the brains behind the whole Iraq mess. Can civilian scum like Karl Rove and Grover Norquist be hung up by their fingernails somehow too?)

FTW has previously noted strong signals in the form of published remarks by powerful figures such as Senator Jay Rockefeller and news stories by media powerhouses such as James Risen and Walter Pincus that quiet moves were underway to remove the Bush administration from power.

Let's just hope they get replaced with a Democrat (preferably one from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party).

So let's start figuring out what we want: impeachment, or a reaaaaallly lame duck for the next two years. It's really our choice to make. Unless you buy into that old urban myth about only rightwingers being macho.

Let's start thinking like victors now: maybe our best exit-strategy is to just let Bush twist in the wind for the next few months so we can be sure we'll put in a Democratic Democrat in 2004.

How does the whole succession thing work when you take out the Prez, the VP, the Secretary of State, etc? Who's gonna be left in the line of succession to take up the ship of state once the top 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 Mafiosos fall? (Who was that guy everyone was so afraid to have one heartbeat away from the nucular button a few times ago? Oh yeah, mr small-potatoe Quayle.)

Maybe we'll take a harm-reduction approach and find a safe bozo who will screw up the least, and then elect a real President again in 2004.

Maybe it's time to seriously start to think of cutting a plea-bargain with Bush: we'll let you stay out of jail IF the rest of the guys under you serve time AND we get to pick who will serve out your term.

I'm serious - let's start acting like DAs here. For chrissake they strung up the last guy for a fucking blowjob. The deal to Bush needs to be: either you cooperate or you're going outa here in leg irons. Talk to them in the only language they know. Project their projections back on them and make their worst nightmares come true.

"Treason" my ass, Miss Anthrax Coulter. You wanna talk treason guys??

It's either "BUSH MUST GO" or Guantanamo.

Walter Pincus is on PBS now. CIA mouthpiece remember. He's saying that the CIA was already NOT CLEARING the Iraq-Niger uranium story back in December 2002 (they got it removed from a State Department website, for example).

So how can Tenet take the fall? The CIA already was refusing to clear the Iraq-Niger uranium story back in December 2002. This story was known to be a forgery by at least 3 million bloggers on the web all winter. How can Tenet say that he cleared the story for Bush's SOTU speech?

The answer is: Tenet can't take the fall for Bush. The buck really does stop here, at the top, in the age of the Internet. Millions of people know the Iraq-Niger story was bogus all winter, the person who needs to take

personal responsibility

for lying is George W Bush.

[scottxyz]

21. Tenet has the goods on Bush on 9/11

I think Tenet always had the goods on them on 9/11

This is something I heard from Mike Ruppert at COPvCIA.com (permalink below). A few days ago Will Pitt interviewed 27-year CIA veteran Ray McGovern

McGovern also let Tenet off the hook for the biggest crime of the administration, allowing and facilitating the attacks of 9/11, saying, "My analysis is that George Bush had no option but to keep George Tenet on as Director, because George Tenet had warned Bush repeatedly, for months and months before September 11, that something very bad was about to happen". Even still McGovern let the Bush administration know that its conduct before the attacks was a sword of Damocles hanging over Bush's head.

"On August 6, the title of the {Presidential} briefing was, ‘Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US,' and that briefing had the word ‘Hijacking' in it. That's all I know about it, but that's quite enough. In September, Bush had to make a decision. Is it feasible to let go of Tenet, whose agency flubbed the dub on this one? And the answer was no, because Tenet knows too much about what Bush knew, and Bush didn't know what to do about it. That's the bottom line for me."

I {Ruppert} disagree with {Ray} McGovern---there is a record showing that the CIA knew about 9/11---but otherwise McGovern's analysis matched perfectly with FTW's of three months ago.

Here's Ruppert's quotes from Will Pitt's interview with CIA guy McGovern
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070103_beyond_bush_1.html

and here's Will Pitt's full interview with McGovern
http://truthout.org/docs_03/070803A.shtml

Elsewhere in Ruppert's report he says the first dagger drawn against Bush was an over-the-fold WaPo article back on June 22 by global reporter and long-time CIA PR mouthpiece Walter Pincus, showing that the CIA was starting to cover its ass on the Iraq-Niger uranium matter:

Of all of these stories, it is the June 22 front-page Washington Post story by Walter Pincus that tells me that Bush is cooked. Pincus is a CIA mouthpiece who wrote a 1967 column titled, "How I traveled the world on a CIA stipend." He was the major damage control spokesman when Pulitzer Prize winner Gary Webb's 1996 stories blew the lid off of CIA connections to Contra-connected cocaine being smuggled into Los Angeles. If any journalist is a weathervane for the tides of political fortune in a scandal like this it is Pincus. His role, though likely to be shared with other press organizations, will be the same as Woodward and Bernstein's in Watergate.

In that article, titled, "Report Cast Doubt on Iraq- Al Qaeda Connection" Pincus created a virtual airtight separation of the CIA from the White House. It was, in effect, a warning to Bush that if he sought an escape by blaming the Agency, it would backfire.

Hard to find the link to the original Pincus article on WaPo but he's syndicated all over the web, for example here:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0622-03.htm

FTW has previously noted strong signals in the form of published remarks by powerful figures such as Senator Jay Rockefeller and news stories by media powerhouses such as James Risen and Walter Pincus that quiet moves were underway to remove the Bush administration from power.


CIA mouthpiece / Washington Post reporter Pincus is on PBS now. He's saying that the CIA was already NOT CLEARING the Iraq-Niger uranium story back in December 2002 (they got it removed from a State Department website, for example).

So how can Tenet take the fall? The CIA already was refusing to clear the Iraq-Niger uranium story back in December 2002. This story was known to be a forgery by at least 3 million bloggers on the web all winter. How can Tenet say that he cleared the story for Bush's SOTU speech?

The answer is: Tenet can't take the fall for Bush. The buck really does stop here, at the top, in the age of the Internet. Millions of people know the Iraq-Niger story was bogus all winter, the person who needs to take personal responsiblity for lying is Bush.