Just Curious. Is there anyone who would support Biden?

[jos]

After reading this thread, the question occurred to me. As much as I don't like Lieberman, he has his supporters. Am I wrong, or is Biden living in a beltway fantasy world where he thinks he actually can become a viable candidate?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=25763&mesg_id=25763&page=

[RandomKoolzip]

1. Hell no.

Biden has no balls. He's as wimpy as Daschle, if not worse; Were he to stand up and fight for once I might be persuaded to give him the benefit of the doubt, but until I see some action, I'm voting for Dean.

[Gman]

2. I could support Biden

especially if he is the nominee in Nov 2004. I think he's a lot more electable than Dean and would seriously split big money that is neither Repub or Dem, just big money. To me Biden is one of the more electable Dems running right now. Another is Graham, who is my favorite right now.

Bottom line, Dean is not electable as he doesn't appeal to a good cross-section of the country which you need to do in order to win.

[Jim Sagle]

6. Yes Dean does appeal to a large cross-section...

and yes he will. Win, that is.

End of story.

[Room101]

29. No- he makes my blood boil more times than not.

Sometimes when he talks I wounder why he is a Dem.

[Sophree]

17. I'm re-posting this from the other thread

BIDEN IS THE ENEMY

I've been trying to tell people this.

He snuck his RAVE Act into the Amber Alert Bill 3 months ago. The bill holds bar/club owners and producers of events (musical or political) legally accountable if ANYONE ANYTIME is caught on the premises with a controlled substance.

They are using this bill to squelch political dissent. A NORML fundraiser in Billings, MT was cancelled due to DEA intimidation. "Violators" can be charged with distribution and may face $250,000 in fines.

http://bbsnews.net/bw2003-06-12.html


****snip***

"An agent of the federal Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) used threats of RAVE Act prosecutions to intimidate the owners of a Billings, Montana, venue into canceling a combined benefit for the Montana chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (http://www.norml.org) and Students for Sensible Drug Policy (http://www.ssdp.org) last week.

The RAVE Act, now known officially as the Illicit Drug Anti-Proliferation Act, championed by Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE), was ostensibly aimed at so-called raves, the large electronic music concerts often associated with open drug use, but was so broadly written that opponents argued it could be applied against any event or venue where owners or organizers did not take sufficiently repressive steps to prevent drug use. Opposition to the bill stalled it in the Senate last year, but this year Biden stealthily inserted it into the enormously popular Amber Alert Bill, which passed last month and was signed into law by President Bush.

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Either he's a Repuke plant or he's part of the whole New World Order thing. Regardless, he is the enemy and MUST be voted out of office.

[jpgray]

3. Like Lieberman, I can get along with him as a Senator

but never as President. I would vote for either of them if one got the nom. Biden's not a bad guy and neither is Lieberman, but they aren't presidential material. Not only that, but I would likely be protesting their views after voting for them if either won the presidency.

[papau]

7. I agree - Bidden to the USSC after we win

He does have a good mind -

and was unfairly tar and feathered in 88 and 92 discussions over a borrowed phrase or two that he used without attribution in the way back.

But he had given Bush too much Rope - and just is not the fellow with energy for the little guy.

But in the general - I vote for him over Bush in a heart beat.

[KamaAina]

4. Well, Mrs. Biden, I guess. Maybe the guy who does his hair plugs...

Neil Kinnock isn't eligible, alas.

I think that about covers it...

[GreenArrow]

5. Nein

Yuck.

[Sagan]

8. Biden in 88!! Wooo!

I still have my bumpersticker (never used) for Biden's 88 campaign. I really liked him back then, but now..

What significant facet does he bring to the race that the current candidates don't cover? I don't see one. Plus, he has passed up chance after chance to justly criticize the Administration.

I don't want Dems that won't fight.

[salin]

30. I was initially for him in 1988 as well.

Still liked him even after the speech plagerism issue. He used to challenge repubs from his senate committee chair - all the time.

But I think that he started getting worn down after the Bork and later Thomas Judiciary hearings. The fight seemed to seep out of him. Almost as if he was afraid of being attacked in return. Became more and more cautious of his choice of words.

These days he seems so cautious - it is often hard to see where he departs from the repubs views he opposes. I can't see him in a head to head race with Bush - and being as assertive as he would need to be to convince voters that he would provide a needed alternative to the current administration.

[enough]

9. Biden can say some strange things sometimes

This morning in the car I heard him on NPR talking about how we have to get some help from other countries in Iraq. He said something like

"I don't want every kid who gets blown up at a check point to be an American soldier."

(I'm quoting from memory, but it was very close to that, if not exact.)

Sounds very wierd, as if he wants some OTHER kids to get blown up.

Shortly after that he said:

"Iraq is not just America's problem, it's the world's problem."

I was wishing I could ask him why he thought it was the world's problem, when the rest of the world begged us not to go to war in Iraq.

It was one of those moments when my hatred for every Senator who voted in favor of the invasion becomes almost as intense as my hatred for *Bush.

[prolesunited]

10. Let's just say

he's below Lieberman on my list.

[kmla]

11. Well, maybe. If he ran against Satan. Or pResident Happicrack.

But those are about the only exceptions.:thumbsdown:

[qandnotq]

12. no

every time he opens his mouth i become more convinced he is an idiot.

[Old and In the Way]

14. Hell yes....

if he survived the primaries and got the convention nod.

I doubt that this is a possibility....

On edit, and for the record, I would rank him at the absolute bottom of my list of Dem candidates. He's been an apologist for the Republicans as long as I can remember.

I really do think that he is one of those Republicans under deep cover. He's been a supporter of Bush on Iraq from day 1 and he seems to be the Democrat that the networks like to have on air because he is always supporting Bush.

[Sophree]

19. Yup

I think the same thing. And he uses his environmental advocacy as a smokescreen.

[Southsideirish]

13. Would cut off my hand first!

I find this guy to be absolutely repulsive in every way - egomanaical - pompous - trivial and supercilious - sly and sneaky - the Neil Kinnoch speech, his inquiry of Anita Hill, etc.
Its rare to find a person with no redeeming qualities.
I wonder what he is up to now with his loathsome sucking up to Thurmond and Bush? Undoubtedly positioning himself for the 2004 election by climbing into bed with ....Republican? Ah, a candidate to "bring us ALL back together..." always thinking, that Joe...

[sangh0]

15. Yes, I would

I'll support ABB

[ibegurpard]

16. In the primary? Not a chance in hell.

In the general? What choice would I have?

[chaumont58]

18. Not no, but HELL NO!

I saw Biden on Whiffle-ball(as Tweety's show has been named in another thread, today) just after Senator Daschle expressed his disappointment that Bush's attempts at diplomacy. The repukes jump all over Daschle, saying he was helping the enemy. Biden could have defended him, but didn't. If he has no loyality to a fellow Democrat, he can say nothing I want to hear.

[tibbiit]

20. f*ck Biden

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=25763&mesg_id=25763&page=

This says it all.
tib

[m_h_lovecraft]

21. I once stated, possibly a couple of times

That I would support ANY Dem the made the nom. Biden makes me rethink that pledge. Biden getting the nom is as good a way for the DNC to tell me to go fuck myself... the Rave Act alone should put this guy out of the running. I just don't know what I would do if he gets the nom. I'm pretty sure it would burn the bridge.

[KG]

22. sure, let another conservative throw his hat into the ring!

:)

[Eloriel]

23. Not a chance in hell n/t

[ButterflyBlood]

24. outside of Delaware, no

where the primaries are usually held by the time the nomination is over. Biden had his chance and he blew it big time. He's just a washed up joke now.

[Pobeka]

25. In the Anita Hill hearings

Was the first time I saw any of Biden, and I liked him a lot for his quick, clear logic (at least that which CSPAN carried and I saw). I thought a lot of him because of that.

But what I've seen/heard/read over the last year really has convinced me he's pretty worthless -- doesn't seem to care about principles anymore.

Would I support him if he's the only choice over __name that repub__, probably so. But he's no where near the top of my list on the Dem's side (and it's funny/sad how fast the contenders in that list changed in the course of the past 3 years).

[LearnedHand]

26. Wasn't he found to have plagiarized a speech...

...way back when when he ran before? My memory fails me on this one, and maybe I'm even remembering the wrong guy.

[IndianaGreen]

27. Biden plagiarized a story by Neil Kinnock, then UK Labor leader

a line about his parents being poor and sacrificing themselves to get him a proper education.

[LearnedHand]

28. Right! That's the one.

I remember the press ate him for lunch. Knocked him out of the presidential race, didn't it?