This is what happens when you rollover

[Carolina]

In 2000, the Democrats in the Senate didn't stand with their House Colleagues (mostly the Black Caucus) against the fraud being perpetrated on this nation. Many, including the former Senator Daschle, accepted that we had a new "president" then. Others helped the fraud pass some of his egregious legislation, yes, even voting for the Iraq War resolution when they should have known better (we did). Sometimes they felt it best to be repuke lite, and so on ...

Democrats didn't call the media on its biased/bushwhacked ways. They people some of the Sunday morning shows but let the whores get away with Bush-loving slime and lies.

Last but not least, Bev Harris and many here warned against computerized voting. In fact, a friend of mine, fellow DUer who's a computer person, voted on a "new" machine yesterday and had some trouble.

The *Fraud has been repeatedly EMBOLDENED by getting away with so much in part to to Democratic complicity and niceness perceived as weakness. As a result, nothing/no one was going to take power from him

It's not who casts the votes, it's who counts them. Let's see if our party fights now. Meanwhile, I'm renewing my passport.

[bullimiami]

1. carolina, well said.

i agree completely.

as far as daschle. 49 senate dems is not any better than 45 especially when the leader is such an enabler. we can still fillibuster we just need the guts to do it.

[ladjf]

2. I thought Daschle did a sorry job of representing us.

[Occulus]

4. He ALWAYS HAS.

Daschle is now and has always been a fucking WIMP. I simply cannot believe that guy is- was- our minority leader. He was the worst. Possible. Choice.

The Dem leadership has been operating in the last four years under the assumption that everyone in Washington legitimately wants the best for all of us. They mistakenly believed that, in the end, working together would help everyone.

That does not work well when the people you are working with secretly wish to destroy you. Unfortunately, the democratic party will never believe that people on the other side of the aisle want them gone.

[jdj]

6. I'm not ruling out fraud in any of the senate races as well

but Daschle needed to shit or get off the pot

he didn't do either, so they finally pried him off of it.

I want Kennedy as minority leader, he's a real fighter.

I'm still mad at Daschle for nuking the filibuster of the medicare bill, a turkey if there ever was one. We had momentum, and he just stuck a pin in that baloon for no reason.

[fishwax]

7. I agree

Daschle was a huge disapointment from day 1.

[m berst]

3. Reckoning Day has Arrived

No more kinda sorta maybe next time are you sure this is happening could it really be this bad I think you are overstating it and I wouldn't go that far.... or whatever words of mass denial are still going through people's heads.

The election was stolen or it wasn't. I believe that it was. The Democratic party will roll over or it won't. I believe that it may. The public will follow along with that like sheep or they won't. If the party leaders don't sense strong support, they will be tempted to cave "for the good of the country." And the people, isolated and frightened, will fall into line.

There is no more good in the country to protect. There is no longer anything to lose. Whatever you think you have, it is now an illusion. The comfy padded soundproofed wall between us and the horrors in Iraq, and in the rest of the oppressed and desperate poor countries exploited by our corporations so we can live the high life, is no longer there. The cushion between us and a police state is no longer there. Jobs, savings, homes, investments - all an illusion teetering on the brink of collapse.

The screams of tortured children in Iraq are about to rattle our window panes and haunt our dreams. One way or another, it will all swing back around now and come crashing through our bubble of illusion and self-deception.

The battle will be won or lost in the arena of public opinion.

Watching opinions on the various boards, I am seeing a 20-1 ratio of acceptance to rejection of the results. People are saying "how can the American people be so stupid?" - in other words, they trust the results. Some are blowing a lot of hot air - "I will fight to the death" - and of course no one who is seriously considering that would post it on the Internet.

The question in front of us now is the same question that was in front of us when the same gang ran the Iran-Contra scam on us, when the right wingers tried to take the Clinton presidency down, and when the last election was stolen. We stand up to the bully or we don't.

So long as the people back down, and so long as the leadership of the opposition party backs down, it goes on. Everyone says, and has always said "but what can we do?" Not a damned thing if you are still asking that question.

People will back down. They will back down because they are afraid. They will back down because they are still hoping that things aren't the way that they know they are, and they are still desperately hoping that they won't have to face reality. Hoping for an easy way out. Hanging on to their illusions.

Every time we avoid reality, we merely postpone it and the longer it is postponed, the worse it gets and the worse the eventual and inevitable day of reckoning will be.

The latest denial has been the Kerry camapign. Everyone here witnessed it and we can't plead ignorance. We all know that the Kerry campaign was "face-the-Nazis-lite" and that there was no substance, there was no strategy and there was no position on anything and there was no inspiration among the followers. The Kerry supporters couldn't inspire anyone, so they used fear of Bush to drive people and they beat on any non-conformists. They couldn't reach across party lines, because the whole campaign was based on demonizing the opposition. They couldn't reach out to the poor and to the minority communities, because they had no program for them.

The Kerry campaign was a place to hide. It was a place to live in denial. It was a last gasp hope that suburbanites could live the good life at the top of the pyramid, without having to face the ugly reality of empire and greed.

It is vitally important now that we stop caving in to the cheerleading faction - rah rah Kerry and the good guys. We must ignore it when people tell us that we are for the right team or against it.

Kerry must stand up to the theft of the election, and he won't do it if his supporters continue to act like high school cheerleaders at a football game and tell us that if we will all just be positive and cheer louder that we will somehow win.

Kerry supporters beat on us and beat on us - "do you have any idea what it would be like if Bush got a second term?? We have to all get behind John Kerry!!" Those two sentences are incompatible with each other. It is beacuse we fully well know the threat that Bush represents that we should NOT have all lined up behind Kerry. Sooner or later, the ONLY measure of any of us - John Kerry and the rest of the Democrats - is whether or not we have the courage of our convictions.

We support people in their stands and in their goals, not because they are nice or because we agree with them or because they are better than the other guy. What is needed from the leaders of the oppostion party now - it is WAY overdue - is for them to take a strong stand against those who are stealing our government. If they do, we support them. If they don't, then we cannot, and we must take a stand and tell them that we will not give them blanket support and trust them to do the right thing by us.

This is the opposition party who told us we can have no other voice, no other party, no other ideas. This is the opposition party that told us to trust them.

Reckoning day has arrived.

[Carolina]

5. Indeed

it has. I now believe in the second amendment and in the need for a tea party like that of December 16, 1773.