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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-31-03 10:26 PM Original message |
"Economic Democracy" means Capital is subservient to Labor. |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-31-03 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Kick you sleppy (typo but it sounds nice) Workers! |
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Misinformed01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-31-03 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. Don't bother to click on that link: Anne Coulter |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
3. It's a good site |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. it's just another name for socialism. |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. one difference |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. in the $10 trillion US economy how much is generated by co-ops? |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. it's ok. I'm not insulted |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Coops can compete with other businesses right now |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Sorry |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Millions of people work at cooperative businesses |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 09:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. please dont infer that i am ignorant. its not fair of you to claim that. |
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MMT (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 09:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. About $130 billion by 100 of the largest co-ops (2001 data) |
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Merlin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 10:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. This is bogus. See my post below. |
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MMT (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Who says they have to be? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 10:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Easy |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. how so? Directors are elected now, and they elect the CEO |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Example |
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MMT (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Why indeed? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Here's Why |
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MMT (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. So if you don't want to give up control, don't expand! |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. So you agree? |
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MMT (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. No |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Strawman |
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MMT (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. No, it's not. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Yawn. Another Strawman |
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MMT (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. No, not "another strawman". But you're right, |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. I don't agree |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. No problems here |
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MMT (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Doesn't closing membership violate the Rochedale Principles? n/t |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Yes, it does |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 05:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
67. But if you close membership? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 05:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
66. If I can answer your question Nederland? |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. What you are describing is not how coops start |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. True |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Legislation?!?!?! |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Response |
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MMT (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. No, I was responding to your "your ideal world" assumption in #36 n/t |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 03:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Perhaps |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. the anecdoates are always "small family business" never large corporations |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 03:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. That's how they all start |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. focusing on what it does right brings out what its doing wrong |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 04:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
65. are you sure you read my remarks correctly? |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. Not socialism |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
11. do you think the US economy is not planned? |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 08:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Seems like coops are in it for the long haul. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
14. It can be done. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 11:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. We can start by reading this... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
17. Question |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 11:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Good question. Ultimately? For certain industries yes. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I'm all for diversity |
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Merlin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
18. The "NCB Coop 100" list is bogus. These are NOT employee cooperatives |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 01:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. I call those 'lessons', not problems |
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redeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
22. Enterprise |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 11:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. your categories are bogus |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
24. Credit Unions are a very successful form of economic democracy |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. What Regulations? |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. there are severe restrictions on membership |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Nope |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. my credit union sent a mailing about it the last time they started some |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
29. YES! |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
42. How does one finance one of these cooperatives? |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Step 1: Gather together the initial membership |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Thanks. |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Here's an idea: Let's get the interested DU'ers involved. |
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Nlighten1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. indeed |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Probably the most common type of coop is the ag-producer coop |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-03 07:38 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Unfortunately they never expanded to all the people in production. |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-03 10:44 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. For most of them, that's true |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-01-03 02:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Use a credit union whever possible |
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