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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:27 PM
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Is There Any Conceivable Way * Could Replace Rehnquist Between Now And...
the end of January???

I know Rehnquist hasn't died or resigned. And I know the Dems in the Senate would filibuster and block any replacement at this point, but is there any other trick up Shrub's sleeve???

There's no such thing a a recess Supreme Court Appointment, correct???

:shrug:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:28 PM
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1. He sure could, and the replacement would remain until Jan 6, 2006
He most certainly can do a recess appoinment of a Supreme Court Justice.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:29 PM
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2. I think shrub could nominate one, but will never get confirmed
by January! Especially if shrub is a lame duck.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:29 PM
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3. He can nominate anyone he wants.
That doesn't mean he'll be able to get his nomination through the Senate before he leaves office, though.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:29 PM
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4. Yes.
He can do a recess appointment, but it would be up in a mere two months or so, when Congress reconvenes in January.

Dems would filibuster. The GOPers could conceivable "go nuclear" and end the filibuster rule's application to judicial appointees. But then again, it could backfire on them when Kerry appointees begin to come down the line in January..
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:37 PM
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5. Check your constitution again, it would be in effect until Jan 6, 2006
Seriously, he could appoint via recess appointment and it remains in effect until the next session of the Congress instilled on January 6, 2005.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:49 PM
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9. This is the correct answer.
I do not think it is likely, but surely we can not rule out any ugly cheap trick by the administration. Still, look more for Bush to attempt to pardon people, and do a few other things first.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:50 PM
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11. who would he pardon?
No one in his administration has been held accountable for any of their very many crimes.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:01 PM
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14. Good question.
I think that Bush is very aware that the Plame grand jury has all the information needed to indict at very least three men from the White House. This is just from the calls to the reporters pre-July 12. The grand jury got the "extension" granted in the first week of July this summer, which allowed Fitzgerald to also examine the attempts to cover up the original crime. As we know from things ranging from Watergate to the Martha Stewart case, we know that the cover up is often as illegal (or more so) than the original crime.

Look for Bush to try to limit the amount of damages done to the neocons. This involves the Plame outing and the neocon spy scandal, which is also waiting in the wings with at the very least the indictment of Larry Franklin.

Finally, remember that Bush thinks in terms of his father. His hatred for Saddam is in part based on the family connection. That said, the biggest criminal conspiracy in the last hundred years was Iran-Contra. Kerry's single most important action as a US Senator was his going after this case, which led to indictments and convictions. And Bush 1 granted pardons on his way out of the White House.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:23 PM
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20. Ken Lay and anyone else of that ilk
go ahead and cash that check.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:51 PM
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12. Frightening scenario is a recess appointment in a contested election
:scared:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:18 PM
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19. Interesting....
I also saw your next post, that mentioned James Baker. Now that is funny, because in the past 72 hours, I've been thinking of what Bush & Cheney would to to remain in as powerful a position as possible. But that thought never crossed my mind.

Baker is, in my opinion, far more powerful than any two members of the administration combined. He's far more effective, because he is able to do his thing without accumulating the negatives of a Bush or Cheney.

Do you think Baker would trade his present position, which is surely one of the top in the under-handed world of republican economic & political circles, for a seat on the Supreme Court? And if he did, would Bush try to push him to the top position? It might be what he would want to do for a sense of history .... and to allow his friends to write that history. Interesting thought. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:50 PM
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10. walt is right
He could use the recess appointment power to name a replacement who would be entitled to remain in office until Jan 2006, UNLESS a replacement was nominated and confirmed before then. I doubt that Bush would try to fill a Rehnquist vacancy with a lame duck recess appointment. However, the one scenario I could imagine the Repugs being tempted by would be to leave Rehnquist's seat open, but use the recess appointment power to name Clarence Thomas as Chief Justice, forcing the Dems to oppose the first African-American Chief Justice in history.

onenote
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LawDem Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:43 PM
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6. Yes, but I don't see it happening
Yes he could try a recess appointment -- but I don’t see it. First, believe it or not, I don’t think
Rehnquist would play along by retiring that quickly (assuming he remains alive). He’s a big time
history buff and has written several books. He knows his historical reputation is at risk
(personally, I think it’s already cooked, but I doubt he does) as a result of Bush v. Gore. I
honestly don’t believe he would want his last act on the Court to be an open confirmation that
he’s nothing more than a political hack.

Secondly, the politics of doing this -- trying to slide a pro-GOP justice in through the back door,
even temporarily, which would be true with a recess appointment, would be horrible politics for
the GOP. I won’t put anything past these guys, but I really don’t see this happening.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:52 PM
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13. What about during a contested election?
HE could legally appoint James Baker to be the SCOTUS Chief Justice while the court is deciding how the election will turn out in Ohio, for example.
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LawDem Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:03 PM
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15. Could he? Maybe. Would he? No.
Those of us who still burn over the Theft of 2000 can easily forget that Bush & Co. were able to sell the idea that they were acting under color of law to a large percentage of the population. What you suggest would be seen by everyone as a naked power grab and would doom the Republican Party for years to come. Again, I just don't see it.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:00 PM
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25. That's what was said about the 2000 selection before the SCOTUS
selected him.

Didn't happen then, wouldn't happen now.

The American sheeple are too cowardly to fight it.
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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:46 PM
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7. In One Word: NO.
...irrespective of the legalities, the overwhelming public sentiment and the politics would preclude it from ever happening.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:47 PM
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8. Who could he appoint that'd be further to the right?
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 05:51 PM by TahitiNut
It'd be the loss of an opportunity to move the court to the left, but wouldn't move it further right.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:11 PM
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16. Recess appointment has been mentioned by some major Dem
talking heads--can't recall who, but it was someone credible and I think on AAR interview....

Frightenting possibility, isn't it?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 07:30 PM
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23. Self Delete
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 07:34 PM by Junkdrawer
Posted in the wrong spot.

:silly:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:11 PM
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17. We need to get back the senate or kerry won't get his appointment
Senate voting - as important as POTUS
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:16 PM
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18. yes that is important
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 07:04 PM
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21. Thanks Guys... My Computer Had A Meltdown... Reading Responses Now !!!
:bounce::bounce::nuke: oops!

:hi:
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agtcovert Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 07:20 PM
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22. It is kind of scary....
I talked about this with a friend today.

While public sentiment may be against Bush, when has that ever stopped him before? He's busy "staying the course" -- and I wouldn't put it past him.

I did several searches and to my dismay found he could what everyone who posted before me said...recess appointment of a Supreme Court justice is possible.

Hopefully it doesn't happen, but the court would still be 5-4. (Not what I want to see though...)

What's really scary is that with any recess appointment, the person appointed can continue to sit without ever undergoing confirmation by the Senate....just wait until the Senate session is over and do another recess appointment. Thankfully there are presidential term limits. :)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 07:33 PM
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24. Here's the legalities from ScotusBlog...
New appointment to the Court? Q & A

Chief Justice William Rehnquist’s treatment for thyroid cancer (see below) inevitably raises questions about the possibility that he could be forced to retire, or could choose to do so, perhaps sooner than he had been thought likely to do. To sort out what could happen, here are some obvious questions and some answers:

Is there any requirement for Rehnquist to step down?

No. He has a lifetime appointment, and cannot be forced out for health reasons, even if his condition worsens. If he had been thinking about retirement, and he has said he was doing so from time to time, this illness may advance the date. It has become customary, though not obligatory, for a Justice to step down at the end of a Court term. Thus, it was thought most likely that Rehnquist’s earliest departure would be next June. That now could change.

Q. He is due back on the bench Monday, according to the Court. Will he retire then?

A. Almost certainly not. The present plan for him to return to work seems to suggest either that he is satisfied he can continue to carry on the work, or at least that he wants to test his strength before making a decision about the future. He is aware that the Court’s future is an election issue, and thus he would not be likely to announce his retirement the day before the Nov. 2 election is held; that could be awkward.

Q. If Rehnquist were to announce a plan to retire, but not actually leave the job, could a successor be placed on the Court immediately?

A. No. There would have to be an actual vacancy before Rehnquist could be replaced. By law, there can only be nine members of the Court.

Q. Suppose he were to retire and step down between now and the end of the year, could he be replaced immediately?

A. Yes. President Bush could make a recess appointment – that is, if the Senate continues with its current recess, the President could make a temporary nomination to the Court during the recess. Under the Constitution, such a new Justice (or Chief Justice) would serve until the end of the next annual session of Congress, unless the Senate in the meantime approved the nomination formally.

Q. Could President Bush make a recess appointment even if he were to be defeated on Nov. 2?

A. Yes. His current term is not to end until next January 20, and he would retain the full powers of the office until then, even if he were a “lame duck president.” It would be an astonishing thing to do for a defeated President, but he could do it, constitutionally, as long as the Senate is in recess. (Incidentally, the scope of presidential power to make recess appointments to the courts during Senate recesses is at issue in a pair of cases now pending at the Supreme Court. The Court has not yet acted on either of those.)

Q. As a recess appointee, would the new chief justice have the authority to perform the duties of the job?

A. Absolutely; the job would be his (or hers) for the duration of the appointment – that is, until at least the end of next year’s Senate session.

Q. Would Rehnquist be likely to make a deal with the President to step down while the Senate was in recess?

A. Very doubtful. It would reflect badly on Rehnquist and on the Court, and he is keen on maintaining respect for the institution. There is no doubt that any such deal would become known publicly, through leaks. If Bush were to be defeated Nov. 2, the existence of any such deal would look very much like an attempt to highjack the chief justiceship. That would create such a political uproar as to bring partisan gridlock to Washington – and, it very likely would lead to a messy and disruptive lawsuit.

Q. Is there anyone Bush could put on the Court in that situation without causing such an uproar?

A. It is hard to imagine anyone so universally acceptable as to quiet the furor. But elevating Justice Sandra Day O'Connor to the chief justiceship is an interesting possibility.

Q. If Senator Kerry were to be elected Nov. 2, could he do anything to stop a Bush recess appointment?

A. As President-elect, no; until he could be sworn in as the new president, he would have no power to use any of the authority – official or symbolic – of that office. And he could do nothing by himself to stop a recess appointment by Bush.

Q. Is all of this merely the wildest kind of speculation?

A. Probably. But speculation of this kind is rife in the wake of the announcement of the chief justice’s cancer treatment, and in view of the importance of the Court’s future as an issue in this year's presidential election.

http://www.goldsteinhowe.com/blog/index.cfm
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:45 PM
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26. Very Informative... Thank You !!!
At least Rehnquist's illness reminds everybody of the importance of the SCOTUS in this election!

:shrug:
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