FULL Transcript on OBL on Al Jazeera

[OhioChick]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

Even brings up Halliburton.....

[Goldmund]

1. So where's this...

..."Red states will get hit, Blue states won't" garbage that the wingnuts have been tizzy with?

[LisaLynne]

4. Exactly where their wingnut garbage always is ...

in their sick, skewed, messed up heads.

[Killarney]

28. he said that the states that don't toy with their security

will be secure themselves.

The New York Post twisted that to mean "states" like Texas or mass. But in actuality, it means nation states.

As usual, right-wing fear and lies.

[TNOE]

2. Sender's Berl's take - very interesting

http://www.senderberl.com/OBL.htm

[LynzM]

3. I found it a very interesting read

In effect, he is saying 'we terrorized you because you terrorized us, and it is up to you to change the way that your government works.'

Addressed the fact that it's not about 'hating freedom', after all, they haven't struck at Sweden.

Definitely addresses the 'why' of 9/11, not just the how or the who. Not sure if anyone in the mainstream media wants to get anywhere near that, but I really wish they would.

[Nicholas_J]

5. So it appears that Al Qaeda

GAve Bush 20 minutes notice that the attacks were coming. (the translation is sloppy, but he is saying that notice was sent, but Bush either didnt recieve it becasue he was busy reading to children, or he got it and ignored it)

[Qutzupalotl]

15. I think he was saying

that all the attacks had to occur within a 20-minute window, before our defenses could be summoned.

[Hoffnung]

19. BS bin laden he knew we couldnt respond within that window

he seems more like a RW'er everyday :scared:

[truhavoc]

6. Everyone of us that clicked that link are now on a terrorist watch list

I seriously would not put it past this group.

[medeak]

7. too late...

read aljazeera everyday along with 10 other papers around the world.

[truhavoc]

9. Same here...only way to get "real" news n/t

[hlthe2b]

17. Well, I guess we'll be in good company and least....

Do you suppose we'll get to bunk with Martha? (stewart)

[Tenenbomb]

8. Thanks

Thanks I will read it now and post a response in a few.

[Racenut20]

10. OBL showing preference in OUR election will

Assist the "Great Leader" in his campaign. Putting it out in this time frame assures no time for the public (or the media if they bothered) to sort it out as a "RoveGame" of desperation.

[Tenenbomb]

11. This is nuts

This guy is completly crazy. OBL is a loony person. I have no idea where he gets his logic from but it makes no sence.

[Maple]

12. Well, the transcript is in plain English

You may not agree with his reasons, but it does have them, and he explained them quite well.

[ProfessorGAC]

13. He's A Fundmentalist Islamic Fascist!

And you're looking for it to make sense. I suggest you look elsewhere for logic and sense. Looking for it from OBL is just as futile as looking for it from Li'l Georgie. They're both insane.
The Professor

[Maple]

14. He said stop killing us

and leave us alone, and we'll do the same for you.

Sounds perfectly logical to me.

[ProfessorGAC]

16. His Overall Logic Is Convoluted

I am going well beyond his statements, this time. His desire to create an islamist state is eminently illogical. His methods to create that state are illogical and intemperate.

I would like us to leave them alone in the middle east. But, his war did NOT start with the U.S. It started with the USSR, then Iraq, then Israel, then us. This is about him wanting to change the world to his vision of bliss by means of war.

There is nothing logical or admirable about that.
The Professor

[Maple]

31. I understand your emotion

but it's affecting your logic.

Americans are unaware of what has gone on in the world, and why anyone might have cause to hate them.

"The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology."

- Michael Parenti

Why Tyrants Rule Arabs.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1090275619198&call_pageid=970599119419&tacodalogin=no

SNIP: "In a speech in November, 2003, President George W. Bush revisited his familiar refrain about how the West has to remake the Arab world in its own image in order to stop the terrorism: "Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe ... because in the long run, stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty" — as if the Arab world had wilfully chosen to be ruled by these corrupt and incompetent tyrannies.

But the West didn't just "excuse and accommodate" these regimes. It created them, in order to protect its own interests — and it spent the latter half of the 20th century keeping them in power for the same reason."

[Hoffnung]

21. We'll kill him and his followers and that will be the end of it

Deal bin laden?

[frylock]

22. yes. that's going to happen.

because, as we all know, their is a finite amount of terrorists out there in the world. All we have to do is track down every single last one of them, and everything will be just fine and dandy, like amos & andy. It's not like our actions are creating new "terrorists" every day... nahhhh. :eyes:

[Hoffnung]

24. So what do you want to do with O/Usama?

[frylock]

26. capture him and try him..

for complicity in the murder of 3000 US citizens. That will never happen of course.

Do you realize that there has not been one conviction of anyone suspected of complicity in the events of 9-11? Not one. Several mistrials, but not one conviction. But see, that's just what shrubco wants. They want people to be pissed off at UBL, and harbor thoughts of a violent retribution. We can't have any messy trials, because then that would shed too much light on what they knew in the summer of 2001. Why all NORAD and FAA procedures were shit canned. Why warnings from multinational intel organizations were ignored.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. Unbrilliant!

Thanks for adding so much to the discussion. Sheesh.
The Professor

[Jacobin]

36. You gonna get ALL of his followers?

Good luck. YOu're gonna need it

[Jacobin]

35. So, objectively, you don't think the Muslim world has any

actionable beefs against the U.S. and Israel?

[Nicholas_J]

25. He is not crazy all

It is the attempt to portray terrorists as crazy or evil that is crazy. Terrorists are ordinary people who have found it necessary to engage in extraordinary behavior becasue they have been submitted to consitions that they percieve as intolerable. Consider the the mass deaths that the Israelis caused in Lebanon and other areas, this response could be considered rational. The response of Israel to attacks by Hezbollah has rarely been proportional, nad as Biun Ladcen points out, Israeli attacks on Islamic countries has resulted in the deaths of far many more innocents than Israel has born at the hands of terrorists. From the view point of a Muslim, and a religious one at that, coming to the defense of Muslims who were attacked and killed form no other reason that they were Muslims, and Muslims who were not responsible for the acts of terrorists is a religious duty. Not to side with either Israel or the terrorists, but Israels response to terrorism has been to indescriminately kill a lot of people who were not terrorists, a lot of people who didnt have anything to do with the acts of terrorism. And the U.S. has providedd Israel with the military might to do this. The support of Israel and the media spinm in the United Staets designed to make Israel appear to be the injured party lends feeds into this. Israel is not the innocent party or victim in the Middle East. And they never have been.

Creazy, evil or outraged. Take your choice. But I doubt September 11 would have ever occured if the United Staes had not been pissing into Bin Ladens back yraed for decades. U.S. policy is responsible, and the policies bbeing made by oil companies who have kept us bound to the Middle East for decades are responsible as well The U.S. could be free and clear of te need for Middle Eastern oil if it had not been for the efforts of oil barons to block the development of other energy sources for decades. It took the events of 9/11 for politicians to even consider revisting the idea of alternative energy.

If you consider well, the Israeli bombing of the King David Hotel in and the deaths of many British citizens in the process was not all that different from the attacks of September 11th. The attitude that it is the right of the United States to manipulate the governments of the Middle East to serve our own need for oil is something that is just not going to be attractive to those people who must suffer from the results of that manipulation. It is very easy to see why Bin Laden is a hero in much of the Middle East. Decrying him as a madman or an evil being is not much help. He is doing nothing that a nation that we support, Israel, has done to free itself from the control of a foreign power, Britain. as long as Bin Laden is treated with as evil or crazy, while he is percieved as a hero to Muslims, the chances that we can win the war on terror is unlikely.

[ProfessorGAC]

29. Then We Disagree

You will never convince me that he is not psychologically disturbed. Being smart and insane are not mutually exclusive.

He exhibits all the textbook symptoms of megalomania, paranoia, and sociopathy. I'm no pychologist, but you can find his behavioral patterns in any text on abnormal behavior. It fits the classical pattern so well, that he's precariously close to Hitler or Stalin in that regard.

I also cannot agree that calling the situation as truthfully as possible diminishes the counter position to such terrorist activities.

Lastly, i don't think we can win any "war on terror" anyway. To suggest that calling him crazy diminishes our chance of winning such a battle strikes me as naive. One cannot defeat an idea.

The proper approach requires a diplomatic solution and alteration of foreign policy to defang the islamofascists. Calling the principle islamofascist a sociopath does not change that, nor does it reduce the probability of success in a new and fresh approach to solving the problems.
The Professor

[hangloose]

30. We agree, but we need to add GW in the same discussion he fits

the profile as well.

[Nicholas_J]

32. In all of my observation s of Bin Laden

from videos and audio tapes, He seem rather quite and of a more shy demeanor than anything else. He displays none of the melodramatic or histrionic behavior that you see in classically megalomanic and sociopath/psychopaths. He does not rant. If you compare tapes oof classic megalomanics from the political arena like Stalin, Hitler, and even Saddam Hussein, you note very different behavior from the behavior that Bin Laden displays.

Your description of Bin Laden and the terrorists as being "IslamoFascists" is another example of the dehumanization of the enemy. More frequewntly than not, such characturisations are charicatures, and bear little resemblance to the truth.

The use of such false impressions of those in power is typical.

As Ben Bella noted in his fight with the French for control over Algeria, when he was asked about the use of terror. "Give me tanks and rockets and artillery and I will fight you the way you expect. Otherwise I will continue to use terror.

There is no differnece between the methods used by bin Laden and the Methods used by Israeli terrorists during the thirties and 40's. and they uised the same justifications as Bin Laden uses. And the same justifications that George Bush and our own Congress use for the death and mutilation of what is approachintg 100,000 civilians in Iraq at this point. Menachem Begin engaged in the same behavior that Bin Laden is now engaging in, He made the same excuses for using those methods. This means that Begin was a terrorist. Sharon was responsible for allowing some of the most brutal massacres of Muslims to ever occur in Lebanon by allowing the Christian Militias for slaughter the inhabitants of two Muslim towns during the Lebanese Civil war. The slaughter was so severe that rather than bury the civilians, they simply bulldozed the two towns and paved over them.
Sharon, a psychopath? In fact, Bin Laden appears to be far mpre stable than the others I mentioned, and far less histrionic and overblown when he speaks. Those in the media, both east and west have all reported that they were most surprised by bin Ladens apparant normality.

I percieve the same. There is nothing in of his speeches to indicate that he is anything by normal, composed and has a great deal of personal self control. You do not see him raging into the microphone and for the camera inorder to give the viewers a show. Such behavior is the mark of the emotionally imbalanced.

[liveoaktx]

18. Stunning-no wonder they left out so much in the excerpts

He brings up that AQ is working to bleed America dry ecomonically, blasts Bush for going for the oil and benefitting private corporations (including Halliburton) and discusses the deaths of the innocent.

There is no way that the full transcript can be considered a benefit for Bush.

[bemildred]

34. Yes, This is not meant to get Bush re-elected.

It is meant to start a political revolt.

[Windy]

20. Interesting how the Pentagon cut out the very real threats...

The "sanitized version" had no threats to the US.
The entire message is a threat if you ask me. It just goes along with what I've been saying to other kerry supporters only, if Bush wins, we are in for it!

[Kenneth ken]

37. I'll add what I've been saying

if Bush wins, expect more terrorist attacks within the US to start within a week; if Kerry wins, he'll have several months grace to change US policies, or we can expect terrorist attacks within the US, say about next summer.

Bin Laden makes very clear in this commentary that it is the policies which the jihadists oppose.

Iraq and Afghanistan will continue to play a role in helping them bleed the US into bankruptcy, but attacks within the US will also hasten the bleeding.

[spinbaby]

27. Which bits were snipped out in Friday's version?

I'm at work--don't have time to compare.

[cliss]

33. Wow. I suggest that everyone read

about halfway down Bin Laden's speech. Here's what he says,

"So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy". This is exactly what's occurring right now. We are bankrupting ourselves in the war in Iraq. We're currently spending $4.9 billion dollars per month in Iraq.

So far, we've spent $210 billion (?). Bush is going to ask for $70 more in additional funding. We can't go on like this for much longer.

Jeez, this is the scariest thread here at the DU today.