People are Sensing the Winds of Change

[indigobusiness]

Are you? Am I wrong here?

The breeze is palpably at Kerry's back, with independents, dependents, and more than a few disgruntled Republicans sailing along with it. I hear so many who voted for Bush last time choosing to opt for the hope that Kerry offers. Not one Gore voter, that I've heard of, is voting for Bush.

While I don't spend much time beating the pro-Bush bushes (so I don't know how it looks from that perspective) I am of the distinct impression that the electorate is finally coming around and that the tide has turned for Kerry.

Am I fooled by wishful thinking or is this cool breeze real?

[LibertyorDeath]

1. America is getting ready to Mosh *

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

[indigobusiness]

5. That's a powerful photo...I'm feeling all bouncy

inside.

[Iris]

32. Did you know that Eminem is undecided?

Heard it this morning on Air America.

[indigobusiness]

36. Well, I don't think he's undecided about Bush...

maybe he's considering voting for himself?

[Iris]

37. Sorry.

He has never voted before and says he is undecided about which candidate to vote for.

I found it a bit odd, but he's, well, an odd one!

[indigobusiness]

39. But he is openly against Bush

and that still leaves more than Kerry to chose from. He must be making some obtuse point.

[flygal]

2. So that's what that is....

I feel it!! I LIKE IT!! Haven't felt this since '92 (and this time I'm SOBER!!)

[indigobusiness]

4. The past week, especially, I've been churned up with concerns

of another nightmarish election scenario.

But I woke up this morning with a sense of real optimism, and I too am (sadly) sober.

[PDittie]

3. It's all good n/t

[indigobusiness]

6. That pretty much sums it

up

[ulysses]

7. I think that's true.

I had a doctor appointment today, and my doc, an older man who I like a great deal but who I had always suspected would be a Republican, turned out to be a moderate-to-liberal Dem. He agreed with me that there is a lot of excitement on our side and that we have a good chance for regime change this year. :)

[Taxloss]

8. Posts like this make me feel physically sick.

Please, please, please, think about how you'll feel re-reading this on 3 Nov if Bush wins. There are some positive signs but it is too close to call. Seriously. It isn't over until it is definitively over. One way or the other.

I'm sure I'm not alone, and I'm sure you're feeling something genuine, but IT IS SO CLOSE. Even if a bounce is happening, it might be too late.Even if it isn't happening, Kerry might win anyway. And there are four days left, and that's a hell of a long time.

I don't mean to be rude but if Kerry wins there will be plenty of time to party. It doesn't have to start now.

And you may only be doing it to be motivational, but over-confidence is not motivational, it leads to complacency.

Hell, I don;t even have a vote (although this election will decide the future political shape of the UK) and I am sick with worry about it, with little I can do about it. You can do SO MUCH. PLEASE do it!

[LisaLynne]

9. I don't think posting that you feel good ...

is over-confidence. We are doing what we need to be doing. We're all doing all we can. Yes, over-confidence isn't good, but being all doom and gloom all the time isn't good, either. That is very demoralizing. That is why the * campaign is going so far out of their way to skew the polls -- so that Kerry supporters will feel as though we have no hope of winning. But, we do. We are not complacent when we say we are starting to feel good. We are feeling motivated.

[indigobusiness]

10. That's why I asked

I felt like you until this morning. I am not one to count my chickens, but this morning things felt clearly different to me.

My post was not a declaration of any sort of certainty. It was more of a question. While I respect your opinion, I am not going to squelch mine to suit you.

Ill, indeed.

[Taxloss]

11. Please don't get me wrong.

Feeling fine is good, and I'm overjoyed to say that there's a lot of good news to feel fine about. Nor am I asking anyone to squelch their opinions. But there have been a lot of "KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!!" posts. But you weren't saying that. So perhaps this was the wrong post to put my reply on.

Out of interest, is there anything more I can do to help? I've been pouring out anti-Bush propaganda on my blog for two years and have urged every one of the few Americans I know to vote and to vote Kerry, but I would love to do more. If I can.

[indigobusiness]

12. Personally, I believe that manipulation is wrong, on all sides.

Can the propaganda and go with the stark truth.

That's my advice.

[Taxloss]

13. Hey, it's all been the truth.

The truth is the most valuable propaganda there is.

[indigobusiness]

14. Truth is not propaganda

unless it is spun.

[Taxloss]

15. The truth unspun will have the same effect as propaganda.

But I suppose I might be guilty of spin because my blog is of course my opinion. But the links speak for themselves, and as a professional journalist I'm careful with my stories. Besides, I hope my opinion is refreshing, or at least gives a different perspective or "talking point".

Is it me or are we getting a bit Yoda-ish?

[Eloriel]

18. Huh?

"The truth unspun will have the same effect as propaganda."

What sort of comment is that? I don't even understand it. What does you mean?

[Taxloss]

22. It will have the same effect as propaganda.

The other side are using propaganda because they can't use the truth. Banging at the truth will destroy the propaganda, plus truth doesn't have the nasty aftertaste. The truth is more powerful than the propaganda in that respect.

[indigobusiness]

20. Precisely, but there is an important distinction...

that doesn't take the wisdom of Yoda to see.

The point is that accepting the mantle of the manipulators is something of a devils bargain...and dancing with the devil has its price.

Nietzsche put it differently:

He who fights against monsters should see to it that he does not become a monster in the process. And when you stare persistently into an abyss, the abyss also stares into you.
---Friedrich Nietzsche---

But I was just offering an opinion, and like I said, I respect yours.

It goes to integrity, and integrity is everything.

[Taxloss]

25. I am not attempting to manipulate!

I'm simply blogging - presenting news stories I find interesting and giving my opinion on them.

[indigobusiness]

26. I was just taking you at your word...to wit:

"...I've been pouring out anti-Bush propaganda on my blog for two years..."

Propaganda IS manipulation. That was my point. Not a judgment. Good luck in your efforts.

[Taxloss]

28. So I phrased it wrong.

I'm sorry. I suppose phrases like "diminutive simian" aren't fair and balanced. I'm sorry.

I don't want to spam, but have a look:

http://www.taxloss.blogspot.com/

It's not exactly the Ministry for Information.

[indigobusiness]

30. No, it was a conceptual distinction.

I'll look at yours if you look at mine.

The Sludgereport - (a pic rich dialup hell)

http://sludgereport.blogspot.com/

[Taxloss]

34. I know it! And I love it!

Keep it up!

[indigobusiness]

31. Your blog is pretty cool. You must be The Ministry of Silly Walks...

or something along those lines.

Nah...good show! Keep up the good work.

[Zinfandel]

17. Get real...open your eyes>>>We are NOT talking about Bush stealing

the election...that's been a given since 2001...

Kerry will win in four days....THEN we are going to have to fight these fucking fascist to kick them out on their ass...Get it yet?

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[Sinnerman]

19. Kerry 50 State Landslide is only 4 days away..........

Start chilling the wine,

[indigobusiness]

24. Spill the wine...

dig that girl.

[natrat]

38. a long haired leaping

gnome just told me Kerry will kick chimpie's sorry ass back to the stone age

[indigobusiness]

40. You left out 'overfed'

but I willing to believe you.

[Zinfandel]

21. Was it.... "Death to all fascist" that did it? Hehehe!

Or was it calling the "Bush Crime Family" MOTHERFUCKERS? :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :smoke:

Please Ms. Censor, PLEASE be specific in a email to me...I'm not quite sure????

Please don't shit can me...I'm just expressing my enthusiasm, glee and joy that the Fascist will truly be toast…But Please DON’T tombstone me…I will be long gone in four days and you will never have to think of me ever again!!!!

[indigobusiness]

23. I don't know, I wasn't quick enough to see it.

I just emailed you asking what you said.

???

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

27. I hope the winds of change

are in favor of Kerry. I live in Everett, Washington a place that at one time was heavily democratic (Scoop Jackson lived here) but now is sort of 50-50, I think.
Since * started in on making war, there hsave been two groups standing at the main downtown intersection every Friday, and I mean EVERY Friday. Both camps.
Today it was bit emotional as people ard no longer sticking to one corner or the other and the groups are mixing. I ended up engaging a * supporter and they cannot seem to talk calmly about this thing. It tends to raise my adrenalin gland too, so I had to get out of there. I did ask a WW2 vet how he felt about * sending his grandson to war, when he himself (*) didn't go to 'Nam. A woman spoke up and said, 'they are in the service and they take their chances.' So the idea that being sent to Iraq might be wrong never enters their mind.They also seem to think if their signs are larger, their flags are bigger, their voices louder, that makes them right....
:shrug:

[indigobusiness]

29. Like Shakespeare said: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks...".

Surprising insight from your part of the world, never would've guessed things were that split-down-the-middle up there.

It is true they are becoming, louder, more obnoxious, and more shrill...the more they seem to realize their life-boat is full of holes.

Thanks for that.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

33. wishful thinking

This election could tip either way, its that close.

[indigobusiness]

35. Threadkiller

Ha!

I fear you might be right. Osama had to come along and bust my bubble.

Back to the trenches.

[FizzFuzz]

41. the environment is a reflection of the people

I've had the feeling you're talking about, but it feels fleeting, maybe wishful.

On a ride through the country today, saw many conservative lawnsigns. That was depressing. So, its hard to say where the larger percentage of the energy is.

When people are ready to change, it will change. I don't know if enough are ready to change yet. I sure hope so, but it might take more pain before enough people wake up.

[indigobusiness]

42. I know the feeling

That's why I posed the question. This is such a see-saw battle, but today was new for me. I went to sleep at near dawn filled with angst.
Woke up with a sense of clarity that the trend is my friend here.

Maybe enough Republicans and Undecideds will consult a Thesaurus, before they vote, and see that incompetent is synonymous with bush.

[FizzFuzz]

43. heh heh, I saw that post too.

wonder if asshole, fascist, dipshit and chronicanalleakage also show bush as a synonym?

yeah its been an emotional roller coaster for sure. I'm wondering what to do on election night. Definitely won't be watching TV.
Will be checking here. Will be doing spiritual practice. Will get on phone to friends.

That is cool about your sense of clarity. :) When I have been sending prayers for Kerry's win, there's a sense of joyful clarity. I think I want to print out one of the great photos from here of the huge Kerry/Edwards rally.
(I just wanted to add, one of my prayers is for people to wake up/ lose the fear of change)

[indigobusiness]

44. Sounds like you are doing all the right things

Why does that sound so wrong? :}

I saw a picture today of a Kerry rally with a huge crowd and a Capitol dome in the background...it was stunning.

How about saving me a spot on your Victory Dance card?

[FizzFuzz]

46. ha, cliches tend to sound wrong, even when they're right

why does that sound so wrong?

badda bing....

Yes that's the rally pic I meant. would love to put that on my altar. There are some other pics on another thread of JFK with kids, compared with Smirk/kids. The difference is so palpable. I can feel it too every time I see Kerry--the goodness just radiates. Maybe that's why the angry, greedy and ignorant run from him? Darkness is consistent with darkness.


yeah man, the hamster dance till the cows come home!!

and now its time for me to sign off and get busy sending out those good vibes.

[indigobusiness]

48. It wasn't so much a cliche'

but I couldn't really say you were doing all the left things.

g'night

[FizzFuzz]

49. D'OH!!!!..I just snortled snot on the monitor!

SHEESH! can't believe I missed the bad pun.

geez, how dense.

man the word "right" will never be right again. Damn them for spreading their blight even to innocent words!!

bye now

[indigobusiness]

51. Too much

information.

[FizzFuzz]

56. I'm famous for that at work

*smirk*

I just enjoy watching people's faces turn green.

Is that so wrong?

[StupidFOX]

45. Anyone who supports change is a terrorist! Just like those "teachers"!

Seriously, though, Democrats are VERY underestimated this year. It'll be a blowout, and not the way that 700 Club idiot thinks it'll be.

Hey Bush, just watch how we can get out the vote. We'll kick you out of office so hard, you'll wear the boot print the rest of your life.

[American Tragedy]

47. I just don't know, indigo

I've been having dreams about Election Night. As planned, I and my friends and family watch the returns at Molly Malone's, but I keep waking up before the victor is proclaimed, when we're still stricken with uncertainty.

Everybody I know keeps saying that it will be a great landslide, that they can feel the Bush administration's definitive defeat. One of the most gratifying reasons for coming to this message board is to try to absorb all of your collective optimism when I feel heavy with fear. But when I try to imagine the outcome, when I try to fill in the last part of my dream, I just see nothing.

I can't lie. Personally, I feel profoundly apprehensive, and I warn everybody not to celebrate prematurely, and not to set your heart on a rapid victory. No matter how it ends, I think it is going to be a nailbiter like we've never experienced in our lives.


Bear in mind, this is the first presidential election in which I have been able to participate, so I have no basis for comparison. I could be totally wrong.

[indigobusiness]

50. Fascinating post. Thanks. You aren't alone....

I'm really right there with you, though I have had more experience. It is clearly a hotly contested race, and perhaps this subtle shift I felt this morning is nothing meaningful, but I wanted to throw it out and see if anyone else felt it.

Your dream narrative is compelling...fascinating that you dream a scenario like that repeatedly. I don't have any clue how you could analyze it.

No need to lie around here. Speak the truth and shame the liars, I always say.

Take care...and take it easy.

[sangh0]

52. Since the debates, bush* has been on the defensive

trying not to implode in public

[indigobusiness]

53. That's how it has seemed to me.

I'm mystified by his holding up in the polls. I just hope he doesn't hold up the Country, again.

[sr_pacifica]

54. Last night I felt a change

I had a strong sense of a loss of support and doubt around Bush in the electorate. Maybe it was the full moon, but I really felt a shift last night.

And I actually have been optimistic for the last couple of weeks. Yes, I know it is a tight race still, and my optimism still continues to be cautious, but I'm feeling more and more that the pendulum has swung to the Kerry camp.

[indigobusiness]

55. Thanks...it's not just me...

I am still cautiously optimistic, but crossing my fingers now.