Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Are Mormons and/or Quakers conscientious objectors?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:39 PM
Original message
Are Mormons and/or Quakers conscientious objectors?
There's a very peculiar photo on the front of the Orlando Sentinel today. There are three draft-age men in black hat and religious garb and two young boys in their group are holding a sign that read, "Veterans for Bush." ??? I believe the photo was taken in Sioux City, Iowa.

Perhaps they're running out of over-protected white males to sign loyalty oaths for their faked campaign rallies?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:40 PM
Response to Original message
1. Mormons aren't
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 04:42 PM by Sandpiper
That's for sure.

On Edit: I speak from two decades experience with the Mormon church. That's how I know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. No, they simply don't join up.
To busy having children and going on missions.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. Wrong
I have Mormon cousins serving in Iraq.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:48 PM
Original message
Then it is no more or less than any other segment of the population
I know plenty of them and NONE of them have sent any of their children. One thing is sure, they all are voting for chimp.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. Actually, during WWII and Vietnam
They cut down on the number of missionaries so more of them would be draft eligible.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:41 PM
Response to Original message
2. Quakers are-I don't know about Mormons.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #2
15. Quakers, Amish, Mennonites, and a couple of small offshoot sects
are all conscientious objectors. Amish went so far as to reject the use of buttons on their clothing, since buttons were most often seen on military clothing at that time.

It was extremely difficult during the Vietnam years to get CO status if you were not a member of one of these groups.

My advice to anyone who wants CO status if there's a draft is to get going on paperwork now, affidavits from ministers, teachers, and anyone else in any sort of authority will help. An evaluation by a psychologist can also come in handy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:41 PM
Response to Original message
3. I saw that one today in the Boston Metro (subway paper)
I don't think that the Amish fight in wars.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. That's IT! They're Amish!
I couldn't think of the name, but I knew it looked out of place.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:42 PM
Response to Original message
5. Quakers are
Unless I'm really confused. Their other name is the Society of Friends, isn't it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Society of Friends is their real name
The name Quaker came from the way they'd tremble when they prayed.

And they're very liberal. Anti-war, anti capital punishment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
freedom_to_read Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Friends.
Quaker is our "nickname". For more info see: http://www.quaker.org/

And yes we ARE conscientious objectors.

And no we don't all have funny beards.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Especially us females.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. *lol*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #5
18. Quakers are objectors more or less.
But they will enter non-bearing arms positions such as Medics/Hospital Corpsmen one of the most dangerous of jobs, and do so willingly.

British Quakers during WW often entered into Bomb Disposal so I have been told over the years.

Yes Quakers are Society of Friends. They have people in Iraq on missions of mercy. They do not preach.

My Grand parents were Quakers. It is the only formal religion I have ever been exposed too and no I am not a Quaker. If I were religious I would chose to be a Quaker. They walk the walk.

I do donate to The American Friends Service Committee, part sponsors of the 1,100 flag draped coffins in DC.

180
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
6. Yeah, they're fake.
Notice the fake beards and the buttons.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:49 PM
Response to Original message
11. Quakers are, but not Mormons...in fact back in the 1800's the Mormon
...founder had an army assembled to fight the U.S. Federal forces in the event of an invasion in Utah, if memory serves me correctly about part of the history of that territory.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:55 PM
Response to Original message
13. Quakers are conscientious objectors
And, yes, they are also called The Society Of Friends. Quakers
have always counseled young people who refuse to serve in the
military.

I used to attend a Friends meeting in Langley, VA that was right down
the road from the CIA building there. And the FBI used to come to
meetings and attend all the committee meetings. They were really
quite hilarious. They stood out like sore thumbs. They couldn't
hide their rage at the Quakers for not supporting the Viet Nam
war.

They have what are called "clearness" meetings in which they counsel
people wrestling with issues of conscience concerning war. It is something to be undertaken after a great deal of soul searching and
talking it over with a community to like minded souls. They never
encourage anyone to do anything that does not stem from their deepest
beliefs as the consequences are often so difficult.

That photo with the people in black hats with beards and a sign
"Veterans for Bush" was supposed to be a pic taken in Amish country
a few days ago. But I wonder about that one too. I didn't know
that the Amish went to war. I'll have to look it up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 05:59 PM
Response to Original message
16. The Church of the Brethren is another CO denomination, and
interestingly enough, Jehovah's Witnesses are CO's as well, not because they are pacifists, but because they avoid anything that involves respecting earthly governments, such as pledging allegiance to the flag or voting.

Mormons are almost always right-wing Republicans.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. Yup, Church of the Brethren, checking in
We don't have flags in our churches, either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
19. Conscientious Objectors

"The Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors supports and promotes individual and collective resistance to war and preparations for war."

http://www.objector.org/

also GI rights, etc.

---

PAGANS and CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR STATUS

http://members.aol.com/oldenwilde/gen_info/paganco.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 05:24 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC