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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:49 PM
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Poll question: Which Candidate Is The Most Liberal On Economic Issues
I will operatioanlize the word liberal as one who favors increased government involvement in the economy and redistributionist policies.

Conversely, a conservative favors decreased government involvement in the economy and no or limited redistributionist policies.

Most liberal to most conservative:

1a Sharpton

1b Kucinich

2 Moseley Braun

3 Gephardt

4 Kerry

5 Edwards

6 Graham

7 Dean

8 Lieberman

*I posted this yesterday but the option wasn't working.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:52 PM
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1. Kucinich and its his economics that has me supporting him
of course the other issues too but I am a democrat for many reasons but economics helps.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:53 PM
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2. Dennis K.
Sharpton, too.

Kerry's policy right now is to only take tax cuts from the wealthy to provide a buffer to the middle class and the poor.

This is to prevent the lower and middle classes from being heavily hit because the states have already increased their taxes due to fed cuts to the states.

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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:55 PM
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3. Why are you using Republican rhetoric and labels here?
Edited on Sat Aug-30-03 04:00 PM by WhoCountsTheVotes
"I will operatioanlize the word liberal as one who favors increased government involvement in the economy and redistributionist policies.

Conversely, a conservative favors decreased government involvement in the economy and no or limited redistributionist policies."

This is how the Republicans define liberal - "increased government" and "redistributionist" but I don't know any liberals who say that.

As an economic liberal, I want less corporate interference in the economy and no more redistribution of wealth from the middle working class to the ultra-rich.

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:57 PM
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4. good question by chance you get my pm
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:01 PM
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8. I Think My Definitions Are Pretty Much Text Book Definitions
but I agree that the Republicans have bastardized them.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:49 PM
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18. If the Republicans wrote the textbook...
Clinton created a smaller federal government, and his stewardship led to higher employment, and more wealth being spread among the middle class.

Too bad he couldn't get the progressive tax mojo working.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:05 PM
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20. It Has Nothing To Do With Who Wrote The Textbook
Edited on Sat Aug-30-03 06:09 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Conservatives favor laissez faire econmoics and liberals are more Keynesian.


When I took Economcs we used Paul Samuelson. Those are more or less his defintions.

Paul Samuelson was a liberal, a nominal Keynesian, and a Nobel Prize Winner.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:50 PM
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24. Republicans don't favor a free economy
They support a corporate economy, chartered and backed by the state, and are masters of the cronyism that entails. I don't think we should allow them to label what we do as "government intervention" and label what they do a "free market".

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:15 PM
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25. I Said The Rs Made A Mockery Of Free Market Capitalism
We agree....

-:)


For what's it worth

I am eclectic on the economy. A little capitalism, a little socialism, and a little Keynesiasm suits me just fine...

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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:57 PM
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5. It's not Kucinich's liberalism that I support
I support his responsiveness to the wishes of the people that he represents.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:59 PM
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7. cool thats a good reason
I gotta admit its not issues with me just either, its his story of the boy from Cleveland who became the boy mayor stood up, then becomes president, thats the next chapter. Also his work ethic being in congress whenever he can. Seeing him with constiuents in the moment is now, makes me say why are we being told that we have a losing battle, these people know what he is.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:57 PM
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6. who voted for lieberman
The guy wants things to be like Clinton was.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:03 PM
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9. On Economics I See
little room between Clinton and Dean, Graham, and Lieberman.

I think all the others are to the left of Clinton by varying degrees.


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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:06 PM
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10. Jebus ...
do you have to support a family?

If it was like under Clinton, things would be pretty fucking peachy right now.

Good God, that remark makes me wonder about the candidate you support. Is that where he is coming from as well?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:10 PM
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11. Clintonomics Were O K By Me
He created more millionaires....


but under his tenure we had the:

highest rate of African American employment


highest rate of African American home ownership


highest rate of Hispanic employment


a budget surplus

a smoking stock market
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:14 PM
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12. dont get me wrong
I didnt say that was bad. I meant Lieberman believes in the same economics that Clinton did, like cutting taxes etc. I wasnt critical but its hard to call that economic liberalism. Sorry no offnse.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:18 PM
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13. I Would Look At Cutting Taxes For the Middle Class*
Edited on Sat Aug-30-03 04:18 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
and expanding the Earned Income Tax Cut but I do find it laughable that some folks think he's the most liberal on economics.



*you can only cut taxes so much and have any kind of fiscal responsibility
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:20 PM
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14. thats my point
I meant no harm what so ever. It was no offense. I wasnt even bitching. Just making a comment. Clinton did a lot of good things for the country. I am a democrat, just very liberal.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:41 PM
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15. For some of us ...
the economics are a life and death matter.

Until the collapse, I worked in a middle class gig and had for 20 years. I lost the gig.

Since then, I have lost my house and it is everything I can do tokeep utilities turned on and food in the house. Pardon me if I get emotional about it at times but it is highly stressful. I am making less than half of what I was before.

But ... we're all on the same side.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:46 PM
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16. we're all on the same side
keep telling yourself that. I agree though, for most of us economics is a life and death issue. I'm just as worried about the cheap labor neo-liberals as I am the cheap labor conservatives.

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:47 PM
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17. I am sorry I meant no harm
Hearing about your situation its hard not to get emotional. Dont worry, I didnt mean it in a good or bad way just saying thats what Lieberman believes in, Clintonomics. Sorry again.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:32 PM
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22. Don't Worry About It
We are among friends...


And for me I rather be around folks to my left than to my right...
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:18 PM
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26. thanks I dont agree with you on some issues but youre nice to us Kucinich
people and are a nice person. I would do. I just dont like pissing people off inadverantly.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:52 PM
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19. I had the vague impression Lieberman is the insurance companies' bitch
And, if you read Wealth and Democracy, you get the impression that insurance companies are some of the biggest sabotagers of a competivie, wealth-producing, wealth-spreading, liberal economy.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:09 PM
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21. easily Dennis, he is the most liberal candidate in the race
eom.
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:33 PM
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23. strictly speaking
I am not sure ANY of them are economically liberal - perhaps Sharpton or Braun, but even they would be working within the confines of current fed money policy. Kucinich is an old-fashioned protectionist at heart, which really means turning back the clock (no disrespect intended Kucinich supporters - I am not offering my views on whether being protectionist is good or bad) on NAFTA and GATT. That makes him a labor populist, but I know nothing about his tax or fed policies.

Dean is the most reactionary economically by far. Why anyone thinks he is economically "liberal" is beyond me - must be blind support.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:19 PM
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27. If Liberalism=Cheap Money
I don't think you can get to the left of the Fed.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:21 PM
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28. I guess so dont worry I know you meant no harm
Well knowing his populism I would imagine he would be for lower taxes for the middle and lower classes instead of the wealthy. Dont worry you didnt mean any harm. I consider myself a support of labor populism.
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