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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:52 PM
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You may not talk about Jesus unless you're a Republican. True Story :
We had counter-demonstrators down at Nichols’ fountain this last Sunday afternoon.

4 or 5 Squeaky clean young adults carrying commercially made signs saying “Hate Terrorism – Not Bush” and “Bush in 2004” and "Freedom has a Price" (although that one wasn’t commercially made). They refused my flyer for Eyes Wide Open, which is at the central KC public library this week, even though I told them it is for the community to honor the dead American soldiers, so I asked them if they were planning on enlisting or volunteering, because I can honor what they say they value in this war if they enlist, if they show commitment. Apparently the answer was no because they started in on Kerry for voting against the $87 million. They said the lives of the soldiers should be so important that nothing should be more important than funding them. I pointed out that Republicans and the president rejected an $87 million funding bill because it came out of the tax cuts, so why doesn’t that principle apply to them also? No answer.

When we got to my personal motives for being there with my signs, I started to say that those who are crushed by the mighty, especially the innocent who are killed and maimed, are Jesus, literally Jesus. This is the model we see in the life of Christ. It's why Jesus suffered, rather than just simply being killed and then rising from the dead. He was trying to show us how we treat the "disempowered". One young Bushie interrupted me, he was wearing a Jesus t-shirt; he said, “How dare you bring Jesus into this . . . . Jesus doesn’t have anything to do with terrorists .. . .” and some other stuff. I was so shocked, I asked him if he owns Jesus.

The rest of the afternoon, I held forth in my loud street voice, reminding these young men to enlist or volunteer now, and also saying that those who are crushed by the mighty, innocents killed in the WTC and in Iraq right now, are Jesus amongst us today. Many people in cars waiting for the light, and walking by on the sidewalk nodded and smiled. Oh BTW, my homemade sign said “Who died and made George “god”? = Blasphemy”.

The Bush supporter in the Jesus t-shirt mocked me when I said these things in my big street voice; he went “Kaw, kaw, kaw” like a bird several times. When he and his friend left they drove by me, mocking again, and I could see that the back of their car was plastered with Kobach (Rep running against our 3rd Dist Dem here in KS) stickers.
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:54 PM
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1. You are brave for standing up to them...
some of them are such loonies, capable of such violence. And I love the way you handled the issues of them not wanting to sign up for service. Keep fighting the good fight!
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:55 PM
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2. patrice - you and your loud street voice rock!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:55 PM
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3. I'm not very nice...at that
point I would have told him to "go fuck yourself...cheney style!"
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vivalarev Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:56 PM
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4. Jesus Freaks scare me....
Jesus was a politician and a good man, but he was not the son of God. By christian rationale, I hereby nominate Martin Luther King Jr as the new Jesus.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:59 PM
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6. Actually, I think it was MLK who triggered that description
of the life of Christ. I've been thinking bout it a little, but I think it came from him originally.
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vivalarev Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 07:04 PM
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8. He may have taken it mainstream but....
its been around for 2000 years. Its just been suppressed to feed the masses. Persoanlly, I hold Jesus and MLK Jr. on the same level...They were both good men who helped advance society for the better, but neither were Gods.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:56 PM
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5. wtg
stand up to the bastards
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 07:02 PM
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7. We have some people in our group who say we should just
Edited on Fri Oct-15-04 07:02 PM by patrice
be quiet and smile and wave, because that gives them nothing to come back on us with. They actually try to shut me up. But I think we have come to a time when all of our voices are necessary.

#1 I try hard not to ever insult anyone. I do pretty well at this most of the time, though I have been known to use the word hypocrit sometimes.

#2 I am conscious of modelling for the public community that it is okay to speak your own mind.

#3 I am trying to help listeners with ideas and words.
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 07:05 PM
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9. Didn't you know?
Jesus came down here and registered as a Republican. These people are so arrogant at times.

I do believe that most people create God in their own image.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 08:02 PM
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11. When my students used to say that they didn't believe in God,
I used to ask them if perhaps they didn't believe in the "god" that people talk about.

Jesus seems pretty clear to me, on the "god" thing, I'm more of an agnostic: a = an abscence of, gnosis = knowing.

Really, language is human; it is inadequate, even when inspired, as the Bible is, it is not completely whatever "god" refers to.
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Free2BMe Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 07:21 PM
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10. Republican/Christian is an oxymoron...honest. They have as simplistic a
knowledge of Christ as they do politics...
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