Bush has served the Christian Right, not the American People

[ck4829]

1. Pat Robertson has endorsed George W. Bush time and time again. Pat Robertson has received $500K as a result of Bush's Faith Based Initiatives, which I think is nothing short of a Kickback.

2. Bush's Faith Based Initiatives roll back Civil Rights gains and allow Faith Based Contractors to discriminate on the basis of religion.

3. Bush has said he would not give money to the Nation of Islam, yet as I said before Robertson got money, and Robertson has called non-Christians 'termites', has ties to brutal dictators, death squads, and has praised Roberto D'Aubuisson, a death squad leader. I believe Jerry Falwell has also received money and he is no better than Robertson.

4. George W. Bush has met with the secretive Council for National Policy to swear allegiance to the Christian Right.

[Maat]

1. I think that the Religious Right is the biggest threat to..

American representative democracy. Hands down.

[Amigust]

2. You're not alone in your conviction.

Now the pig Falwell is bragging that fundamentalists "control the GOP" and the outcome of the election.

[murdoch]

5. I think that crumbling unions is the biggest threat to...

American representative democracy. Hands down.

Look at who the top Kerry donors are - all unions. And we're down to 8% pof private workers unionized nowadays. Back in the 1950's, one third of all workers were unionized. Unions have disappeared so much people don't even realize how much of a positive effect they had on many things.

And the AFL was one of the crappiest unions in the world. Samuel Gompers was an idiot and sellout who created a bureaucratic mess. There were good unions in the US like the IWW, but the government went after them during and after WWI, and also unfortunately many of them became too enamored with the Russian Revolution and tried doing things the Russian way instead of the American way. The CIO was a good industrial union organization, but the second Red Scare hurt it and it subordinated itself to the AFL in the 1950's when it remerged. In the 1970s you had total slime like Lane Kirkland running the AFL-CIO, who made Samuel Gompers look like an angel. Nonetheless, even the AFL is better than nothing even though it has always sabotaged itself. And reform or alternative methods are always possible. Your union is much easier to change than your government.

[murdoch]

3. Bush has served the Corporate Right, not the American worker

The tides that move the seas are the corporations and their money, and that's what it's ultimately all about. There's no reason for the average working person to vote for Bush, so cobble on some fundamentalism, racism and jingoism and maybe they'll come out and vote for him. But that's just a sop for our representative democracy, the money is the important thing.

[Thurston Howell IV]

4. I believe Bush uses the Christian Right

If the republicans ran purely on a pro-business platform, they'd never win an election. They need numbers, and so have exploited the Christian Right for that purpose. Proposing the wacky amendments to the constitution that have zero chance in hell of passing is just throwing the christian right bones. It ends up getting them more outraged, and the vote even more against their economic interest.

Guys like Ralph Reed are as cynical as they come. He's probably an atheist. The bastard gives atheists a bad name.

[Malva Zebrina]

6. There is no evidence that Ralph Reed is an atheist

There is tons of evidence that he is a Christian.

Whatever his ways, he has declared he is a Chirstian. He invented the Christian Coalition and at one point was it's president or leader, when Robertson stepped down.

No atheist has attempted to overthrow the government of the United States and try to make it a theocracy to replace it's democracy. No atheist has tried to undermine the Constitution to the point where they would have everyone become a non-theist to fit their idea of the way things ought to be.

I do think,however that Christians like George Bush and Ralph Reed can do more to destroy Christianity than any atheist could ever think of doing.

Some well known non-theists here and please take note they are not evil people attempting to do harm to others. Many have been significant contributors to much we enjoy today.


http://www.visi.com/~markg/atheists.html

[Thurston Howell IV]

10. Don't have to sell me on the idea that atheists/non-theists are not evil

Most of the evil doers in the world believe in God, right? Isn't that one of the biggest problems we face at the moment, that various fundamentalists around the world are out of control?

The word atheist is like the word liberal -- it got a bad wrap. One can be moral without being religious. We agree.

I just wonder how much of this religious stuff Bush and Reed really believe. I agree we have no way of actually knowing. I don't, however, accept what either of those two liars say. I guess that would put me in the agnostic camp on whether they're "really" christians.

[Soup Bean]

9. I think he uses them as well.

However, I think they want to be used, and they know their power. I think the big business side would just as soon be rid of them, but they can't figure out how to do it and still stay in power.

I think we need about 5 or 6 parties in this country. That way, no one could ever acquire the kind of power that has been consolidated by the Republicans.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, right?

[July]

7. Don't forget the war profiteers.

The only other group that has benefited from the Bush Residency.

[gratuitous]

8. Wouldn't that have been an interesting question?

In last night's "debate," it would have been quite humorous if someone had gotten up and asked Chimpy:

Mr. Bush, you took office with fewer votes than your opponent in 2000. I believe most folks installed in office in such a way might have governed with an eye toward winning over the people who hadn't voted for him. Yet the perception is that your administration has been one of unrelenting payback for the corporate interests that put you where you are. Can you name three things your administration has done on behalf of people who disagree with your disastrous policies?

[baldguy]

11. Corporate masters first

Religious masters second
Party third
Business partners fourth
Saudi oil friends fifth...

I don't think the American People makes it into their top ten.